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It blows my mind that so many people's gut reaction in a time like this is to shit on other people and push an agenda of their own. I wonder if Ms. Hartley-Brewer or Trump Jr. would be so aggressive in their tone and so callous to those who suffered or tried to aid the suffering if they were at Westminster Bridge today and saw a lorry barreling right for them. Context is everything, and empathy is our greatest tool here. Why does it seem so hard for some to just feel AND think anymore?
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Wouldn't that be a shocking turn of events
I feel the next Bond film should feature a domestic attack in England, as well as a threat to major world leaders - perhaps even at the hand of another world leader, behind the scenes.
Would be realistic enough in today's age, and the perfect plot for escapism in the Bond franchise. Many lessons to be learned here. A great story may unfold.
Some (not all) religious people are motivated to do good through the teachings of their books. Others the opposite, or at least from my Western European kafir perspective, Osama bin laden would perhaps disagree with me what constitutes good and bad.
Pretending that people can't be motivated to kill by their religious conviction is ignoring a fact that has been around as long as man has believed in their invisible magic creators.
One SNP MSP wasn't happy about yesterday's attack but for very different reasons, as it
Delayed their Independence discussions ! ..... I hope her resignation will be swift.
I'm guessing - only guessing mind - that he will have been on the 'to be watched' list. I would be greatly surprised if the police and MI5 wasn't aware of him and his affiliations.
Yup, my thoughts exactly.
All in all, just relieved our members here, afawk, are safe. We will see more attacks, no doubt, of misguided cowards who think attacking unarmed people is actually 'fighting' a war. It isn't. There's nothing lower then this. Either inspired by religion, political views or what have you not, attacking unarmed people who go by their everyday business is cowardice times a million. If you do that you don't deserve to exist, and though I myself don't believe in any sort of god, I'm convinced that, if one existed, 'he/she/it would think the same and punish these creatures to the max.
Dont be surprised when it happens again then.
We are just treating the symptoms when we should be treating the disease of religion.
Firearms, if they want to maintain the look of unarmed officers ? Or at least quick
Access to a weapon ?
And again, I can't mention the cowardice of the attacker enough. His family will live in shame for itwas their son/brother/cousin who showed how low human lifeforms can go.
Fully agreed. We can't have a serious dialogue with those unwilling to step out of the dark ages. Every generation of religious devotees will bring forth its own batch of terrorists. There will be more nine elevens as long as we keep humouring the phantoms of the past by being "tolerant".
@CommanderRoss as mentioned above, it came as a surprise to me to learn that unarmed police were on perimeter patrol/security duties.
@DarthDimi, as detailed in your post, everyone practices intolerance. It just comes in different shapes and sizes. Speaking as an atheist, but as an atheist who believes in peoples rights to peacefully practice their chosen religion, what would happen if we were to eradicate religion tomorrow? Do you believe all terrorism would grind to a halt? People always have and always will find a reason to kill each other. Religion and it's cult aspects is just another excuse. If Islam was to vanish overnight, would not the extremists adopt another mantle?
Who knows? Why don't we give it a try and see what happens? Could things be any worse?
It might not. But then again it might. Difficult to prove a hypothesis without any data. And the only data we have to go on indicates that religion has been a factor in all terrorist attacks since 9/11 bar the murder of Jo Cox and possibly the Breivik killings (although I seem to recall he had some right wing Christian Crusader agenda).
Stop smoking 50 a day and you might still die of cancer but by eraducating a contributing factor you improve your chances of not getting it.
Religion=terrorism?
In summary, only a fraction of people who subscribe to a religious belief will support or carry out acts of violence and/or terrorism. Not all Muslims are terrorists, not all Catholics are supporters of the IRA.
Only a fraction of scientists are engaged in developing weapons, the rest are working for the benefit of humanity.
As for the twisted PoS who attacked Westminster, he and people like him will always look for a cause. If it wasn't religion it would be something else. That's how they operate.
We also have to remember that a lot of innocent Muslim people will feel the brunt of a backlash across the UK, people who harbour no terrorist inclinations but will be abused and beaten up just because of the ignorance which fuels the notion that religion (in particular) the Muslim religion, is a front for terrorism.
This is spot on.
Ultimately, it is fanatical and irrational devotion to any notion or idea that creates bad behaviour, even if it doesn't in most cases cause people to go on a killing spree. That unfortunately can affect anyone, whether they are religious or not.
We must all be mindful of irrational and overtly emotional notions constantly, as the mind can play tricks. Any sane person should know that murder isn't appropriate, no matter what some 'holy' book written centuries ago spouts, or whether they feel oppressed or believe in an 'eye for an eye'. That's what separates a civilized & rational person from a wild animal, religious or not.
Having said that, the immediate threat these days is unquestionably radical Islamic (or should I say Wahabi) terrorism. It must be eradicated, and by force because the ideology is irrational and can't be reasoned with. Those people and countries who directly or indirectly fund such ideas and Madrassas must be ostracized and not continue to be funded and supplied with weaponry, as they are now.
@bondjames agree on the part of not being open for reason. The thing is though, it's not the idiots in the middle east beeing the problem here, but half-ars*d idiots whom have all the benefits of living in the west, but can't see it that way.