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Sorry, I had to go to bed last night and then work in the morning, so I didn't see your question until just now.
I think the Obama admin was doing an okay job, and I saw no reason to radically change anything. YES, we need border security, but terrorizing little children as a negative incentive is truly the way of the Nazi(lite), and a wall is plainly just ridiculous as well as a waste of resources.
And has been stated, deportation was at a high back then.
Now, crops are rotting. Children are scarred for life. I can't take all this winning.
As much as I dislike Trump and his administration, I don’t think it’s appropriate to directly and seriously compare them to the Nazis. The Nazis tortured and killed people in massive numbers. Yes, it’s despicable how Trump feels about separating families (and I don’t support it at all), but do consider while two wrongs don’t make a right he feels that way about people who are illegally coming in. I don’t want to have a debate about immigration or anything, I’m just pointing out that there is a reason he feels justified in doing such a nasty act.
I stand by my original arguments and feelings, though I respect your stance and understand why you feel this way about the topic. If you’re being fair, you’d have to turn down a LOT more politicians out there for dinners if you are turning away Sanders based on “evil behaviour.” That line is still often subjective, but I could potentially use it against almost any politician ever based on at least one known act from them.
And that's why I suggest following the international laws and standards to make the difference. I agree that Trump & co shouldn't as yet be compared to the Nazis as the worst thing Trump & co have done isn't as bad as the worst the Nazís did. Noting however that thy did use the same techniques for the same purpose: to terrorise (sorry: 'discourage') those you go after seperate them from their children. But again, neither 'governments' are unique there, there are far more who did this (noteably mostly dictatorships).
The thing is, for international human rights standards this is a crime. No way around it. I have worked for, and even made rules for an organisation, which I oppose thoroughly. Still, as you say, beeing a professional sometimes forces you to do something. But that isnt limitless. Our military i.e. obviously have to follow orders, until they themselves consider these irrisponsible. Two have been in court for not followingan order in a hazardous situation before (the Bosnian war) and were aquitted by the court, saying they were right and the order madness (but then in more judicianal language).
all in all, it isn't an easy subject, and to me the reasoning of the owner was fair.
@FoxRox, I can see your point. As a German, I perceive the problem of Nazi comparisons mainly as trivialising the actual crimes by comparing them to something far more harmless today, and there is no question that what the Trump Administration has done SO FAR, does not rival the Nazis' genocide or whatever at all.
Still it must be allowed to say that those certain autocratic, even if democratically elected, rulers like Trump, Erdogan, Orban, Jaruzelski (or his stooges), Netanjahu etc. are using the exactly same methods that the Nazis used BEFORE the latter went all out on putting Jews, socialsis and other opposition politicians, homosexuals etc., and that this extends to today's minorities like refugees, LGBTQ people, "gypsies" etc. It must also be allowed to point out that the actions of the Hungarian, Polish and several other governments/administrations have a whiff of "Gleichschaltung" - the "synchronization" of media to conform with the official government interpretation of events. Trump's constant invocation of "fake news" is of the same kind.
I therefore think it is perfectly justified to compare these activities to what the Nazis did INITIALLY, while being also adamant about it NOT being comparable to what the Nazis did ULTIMATELY (industrial killing of millions of people etc.) - YET. But let the people decide and think about it for the time being...until it gets any closer to what happened in the 30s. And let's stop those politicians before they can do more "comparable" things.
Supreme Court Justice Kennedy is retiring. That is huge and extremely dangerous news for our country. The other news (as just listed here) is mostly very good:
Merrick Garland. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-judging-mitch-mcconnell-dont-forget-about-merrick-garland/2018/06/03/388afa7a-65c3-11e8-81ca-bb14593acaa6_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fcc16e7f2557
We get the government we fight for. Our history has had immensely difficult fights before (just one example: civil rights). We can get through this and we will.
We need to throw their own stonewalling back in their faces.
Anyway, please call your representatives/senators/every person you know in Washington, D.C. Do it today or tomorrow at the latest. AND please vote in November.
I know things can be rigged against us, manipulated, all the vile things we are hearing about that are coming to the surface. Giving up is not an option really, is it? I do believe we get the government we fight for.
So in July, Trump will go to the U.K. I am looking forward to the photos.
Info from the Telegraph:
For the mass protest in London the provisional plans are:
14:00 Assemble outside the BBC building in Portland Place
March to Trafalgar Square
17:00 - 19:00 Rally in Trafalgar Square
One campaigner is even attempting to to float a helium-filled blimp of Trump as a baby during the visit. A protest which is likely to bruise his fragile ego.
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So yes, this:
The comparison is actually quite relevant.
A president's use of lies, inaccuracies, and innuendo to publicly scapegoat a group of people, based on race, has never happened before in U.S. history. We have a white supremacist as President. It's that simple. And he pushes the same buttons that Hitler pressed to stir public hatred of a group, based on ethnicity/race/religious preference.
Trump's loyal band of followers are a carbon copy of the early Nazis: led to believe that all their problems (of which they actually have none) can be blamed on Mexicans, blacks, and Muslims. If we could just get rid of them all, we could live happily ever after.
Sound familiar?
Yes, it's the beginning of a new age of oppression... unless we stop it.
Fair enough, and no hard feelings here. I'll admit I was being obnoxious. Thanks for responding.
Thanks for being cool here. ;)
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/trump-baby/updates/
Why the Queen has accepted Trump now is beyond me, but perhaps with waiting so long she just hopes he won't make it after all.
The Queen isn't a politician and has to appear neutral unless things are seriously wrong,then she can step in.
If a head of state of one of our allies requests to see her on British soil,she hardly,if ever,refuses.
Well, I'm not quite sure if 'allies' is the word to use here. As far as I can see Trump has made friends with some of the worlds'biggest dictators, and done very little to advance 'The West'. Or you would call starting trade wars a friendly act? (oh, welcome to Europe Harley Davidson).
At least North Korea will denuclearize now. Oh.... wait......
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/27/politics/north-korea-infrastructure-improvements-nuclear-facility/index.html
Nobel Prize, here he comes!
God,surely this cant happen !! (I know,it can can't it ...)
Sorry - I can’t see it as fair unless Trump and his followers actually committed the same horrendous crimes as the Nazis - especially in such large number (acknowledging the few seriously crazy Trump supporters who actually attack minority groups). Sure, there are some fair similarities, but considering the different governments/systems, we know it won’t become as horrible as it was then.
Hitler had 13 years.
Funny though I found some very good advice on FOxNwews, for all of you in the USA:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/28/want-to-defeat-lazy-corrupt-and-out-touch-politicians-in-both-parties-heres-what-will-really-work.html
White House not commenting ...
What do you think they will talk about?