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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    "Honest" is definitely not the accurate word for Trump. But selling a common phrase, easy description, one size fits all kind of solutions, those are more apt. He is not honest but likes to come across as "one of us" .... so "refreshing" as he is "not a politician." But he is very tainted, involved with organized crime and money laundering for years. So no, "honest" actually does not fit him. His promises were not based on good faith for our Constitution or Bill of Rights. The bigotry he says and promotes, his nudging of "okay" for violence at home as well as by dictators around the world is all there to see. He does, however, do what he can to continue to protect his own interests and all of the big money and/or mob connected interests who put him there. Just being blunt, but that is in enough sources now so it is backed up.

    Well in this very narrow description it pointed to the fact that Trump 'is getting things done' in a way that he's exactly doing what he set out to do. This, then, is besides his continuisly lying etc. etc. As said above, I understand the 'fresh wind' some people see in this. Examples are the pulling out of the Paris agreement, supporting the coal industry, opening up Alaska to be des...eh... explored by oil companies, repealing Obamacare, putting travel bans in place, starting a trade war with China.

    But as said above it's a very singular view, and allthough appealing to many, it's increadably destructive.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Oh yes, he has done things he said he would do. But also said that he has accomplished or is doing things he promised but he has not - such as the wall (it is not being built as he implied and certainly will not be paid for by Mexico). And takes credit where it it not due, all of that. But overall, I understand your point, @CommanderRoss.

    I get that some people see him as "different" and "says what he means" and consider that a good thing. I have to believe by now, those are a minority of Americans. For me, I simply cannot use the word "honest" with Trump. He certainly is putting his own spin on what he considers his accomplishments, such as pulling out of the Paris agreement and obliterating regulations and rules to protect our air, water, and environment. For me, nearly everything Trump considers an accomplishment is actually extremely wrong, and seriously detrimental to my country. Some people still consider him "refreshing" I suppose, but the results of his efforts will be disastrous for many years to come unless things are changed, repaired, reversed, altered, etc. as soon as possible. We can do it; it will take some time and effort and a sweeping change in Congress. I hold Congress accountable very much, not only Trump. The GOP majority has their agenda and reasons why they are continuing to pursue this unhealthy and unAmerican path for what is happening. All presidents list their accomplishments, but this administration is unlike any other in our history and that is not in a good way. Destroying our foundations and stripping our democracy and rights will be the legacy of this president (among other things).

    In all my life, I have never looked at either party as truly tainted, evil, or the terrible "bad guys" to put it simply. I disagreed with policies here and there over the years. Nixon was his own unique problem but that is peanuts compared to what is happening now. I would not have believed that many in Congress (not one or two) could be complicit, putting their own selves above our country's welfare. It actually pains me to write that the GOP needs to be held accountable so strongly, that they have chosen to hurt our country - because they have, and are, and this has not happened on this scale before in America. Anyway, what citizens can do is vote and also communicate with our representatives. We will never give up.

    I want to add one thing to look out for: voter suppression is already happening and there are various ways that different states' voting machines and reporting could be tampered with. So we need to vote, but we also just as importantly need strong, impartial watchdogs at every voting center in our country. If you scan the news, you will find various reports about this issue.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Oh and here is Olivia Nuzzi's interesting article (link is within this, just click on thephoto) about her meeting with Trump and members of his administration this month. In particular, he gave her a written list of what he considers accomplishments. A bit of an insight, yes ...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh and here is Olivia Nuzzi's interesting article (link is within this, just click on thephoto) about her meeting with Trump and members of his administration this month. In particular, he gave her a written list of what he considers accomplishments. A bit of an insight, yes ...

    Yes. Read THIS! And if you still think Trump is okay, then you have no Bondian sensibilities. He is a stupid Blofeld wannabe.
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    I think only after he has gone will we hear the true horror of the type of guy he is.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Oh and here is Olivia Nuzzi's interesting article (link is within this, just click on thephoto) about her meeting with Trump and members of his administration this month. In particular, he gave her a written list of what he considers accomplishments. A bit of an insight, yes ...

    I loved that article, read it last week.

    How crazy and dysfunctional.
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    A Blofeld wannabee, so he is wearing the cats skin on his head?
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 5,993
    Or the whole cat.

    On hyappier news, let me congratulate the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for their future blessed event.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2018 Posts: 12,480
    So the coverage of the murder of Khashoggi has forced new responses and "explanations."
    Saudi govt now claiming yes they meant to kidnap him, interrogate him, but did not plan to murder him. But ... a 15 member team, including a bone saw specialist, were sent by them.






    and cleaners of some sort ...


    Trump had just said Oh perhaps it was "rogue killers" but the Saudi govt have stepped in and said it was them. Just an "oops" mistake that he was actually killed. Tortured. Dismembered.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Do we need more proof that Trump is a Hitler in the making if these are his 'friends'?
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    Do we need more proof that Trump is a Hitler in the making if these are his 'friends'?

    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.
    patb wrote: »
    I think only after he has gone will we hear the true horror of the type of guy he is.

    Oh no, with a little digging you can find out how bad he is. The difficult topic is: how rotten has the entire Republican party become? Hint: check into Russian $$$ being donated to the NRA, and then funneled to various Republican officeholders like Mitch McConnel, Devin Nunez etc... and THEN connect the dots to figure out why they're doing some of the atrocious things they're doing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited October 2018 Posts: 17,795
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Do we need more proof that Trump is a Hitler in the making if these are his 'friends'?

    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.
    Sorry, I meant "Mussolini," clearly. ;)
  • Mussorangelini.
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    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.

    I'm not sure there is an obscure rule about it. I think it's just common sense that a person probably shouldn't be comparing an incompetent POTUS to an insane dictator who systematically murdered 12-14 million people. Kind of a stupid and offensive thing to do, actually. Glad you avoided it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited October 2018 Posts: 17,795
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.

    I'm not sure there is an obscure rule about it. I think it's just common sense that a person probably shouldn't be comparing an incompetent POTUS to an insane dictator who systematically murdered 12-14 million people. Kind of a stupid and offensive thing to do, actually. Glad you avoided it.

    Hitler started small too, just to tell ya.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 572
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.

    I'm not sure there is an obscure rule about it. I think it's just common sense that a person probably shouldn't be comparing an incompetent POTUS to an insane dictator who systematically murdered 12-14 million people. Kind of a stupid and offensive thing to do, actually. Glad you avoided it.

    Hitler started small too, just to tell ya.
    Who has Trump killed?

    And while I'm at it, many of you complaining about Trump ruining US politics are forgetting that his presidency is the product of the it, not the creator of it.
    I want to add one thing to look out for: voter suppression is already happening and there are various ways that different states' voting machines and reporting could be tampered with. So we need to vote, but we also just as importantly need strong, impartial watchdogs at every voting center in our country. If you scan the news, you will find various reports about this issue.

    As someone who know clerks from three local municipalities, what they have to go through, and the long list of procedures they have set in place and follow to prevent tampering of machines, ballots, etc, I take some offense to that. Granted, the state I live in is a leader in preserving the integrity of the electoral system. There are representatives of either political party that observe the process and act as watchdogs.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2018 Posts: 10,591
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.

    I'm not sure there is an obscure rule about it. I think it's just common sense that a person probably shouldn't be comparing an incompetent POTUS to an insane dictator who systematically murdered 12-14 million people. Kind of a stupid and offensive thing to do, actually. Glad you avoided it.
    Agreed. It's comments like that which make me glad I'm an independent.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 3,566
    Here I thought I was making a joke...

    Yes, that "obscure internet rule" does indeed exist. It's called "Godwin's Law" and here's a link to Godwin himself explaining why (in his opinion) it is perfectly acceptable to use it in times (and circumstances) like these: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/the-creator-of-godwins-law-explains-why-some-nazi-comparisons-dont-break-his-famous-internet-rule/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fb772f86a30a

    No, Trump himself hasn't killed anyone -- he's too much of a chicken$#!+ to do the dirty work himself -- but he has certainly made it much more acceptable for his minions to do that sort of thing and if you need a reminder, then just look up the name Heather Heyer. Or just consider the thousands of children who have been ripped from their parents' arms under the orders of Herr Gropenfuhrer.

    Just don't get me started or I'll commence providing links to some of the more egregious examples of voter suppression currently being attempted by the Republican Party. The Secretary of State/wanna-be governor in Georgia springs to mind most immediately, refusing to process some 50,000 voter registrations in predominantly black areas... or the law just ratified by the Kavanaugh Court under which thousands of Native Americans are being denied the right to vote because THEIR RESERVATIONS DON'T INCLUDE STREET ADDRESSES THE WAY SOME WHITE FOLKS THINK THEY OUGHTA. You wanna take offense, Mr. Stock? That's where your offense should start, or else it is a hollow pretense.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Voter suppression is something everybody needs to be aware of and look out for, no matter what party you belong to or if you are an independent.

    As far as the actual machines, there could be issues. Certainly the people supposed to be there in person, watching carefully, needs to happen but we need to make sure that is truthfully happening. So please don't take offense - just make sure that those protection steps are taken. We cannot take any of this for granted. There is no harm in reminding all of us to be diligent. It is, unfortunately, truly needed during all of our next elections.

    Too much has been done in the past with suppression and from many reports that is happening already, in a variety of ways.





    So this being said: And while I'm at it, many of you complaining about Trump ruining US politics are forgetting that his presidency is the product of the it, not the creator of it.

    I simply say that Trump is responsible for the actions and policies of his current administration, no matter how the system is that brought him into power. So yes, he is responsible for much. Sure, Congress and a lot of the media have played a role that is nothing to be proud of at all. But as president, we can look at his own words, actions, and policies and see that of course he is responsible. Whether you find that a rosy, happy, good for America scenario or the destruction of our country is a personal choice, of course.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2018 Posts: 12,480
    In some good news here is this rescue story. It's not current news, from weeks ago, but I did not hear about it till now and thought I'd share this here:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/teen-survives-49-days-adrift-pacific-rescued-guam-n912441
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    jake24 wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    According to some obscure internet rule this whole topic thread is now null and void. You said the "H" word.

    I'm not sure there is an obscure rule about it. I think it's just common sense that a person probably shouldn't be comparing an incompetent POTUS to an insane dictator who systematically murdered 12-14 million people. Kind of a stupid and offensive thing to do, actually. Glad you avoided it.
    Agreed. It's comments like that which make me glad I'm an independent.

    What a coincidence- I'm an independent as well. And I'd just like to see this fool nipped in the bud... it's not worth 12 - 14 million dead HERE to me for a simple I-TOLD-YOU-SO.
  • Voter suppression is something everybody needs to be aware of and look out for, no matter what party you belong to or if you are an independent.

    As far as the actual machines, there could be issues. Certainly the people supposed to be there in person, watching carefully, needs to happen but we need to make sure that is truthfully happening. So please don't take offense - just make sure that those protection steps are taken. We cannot take any of this for granted. There is no harm in reminding all of us to be diligent. It is, unfortunately, truly needed during all of our next elections.

    Too much has been done in the past with suppression and from many reports that is happening already, in a variety of ways.



    I just want to hit on the voter suppression part. My concern was that there was talk of voter suppression via tampering of machines. All I wanted to point out is that at least for my state, there are safeguards put in place to ensure votes are accurately recorded. They test the machines prior to the election and they keep paper copies of everything. This is a bit different than supression via voter registration policies (which oddly enough, for most states, do little to prevent illegal aliens from voting).

    Regarding your examples of voter suppression, I thought I'd share a smidge more to the tweets you cited: In the case of Indiana, they were purging voter registration of deceased persons and those who had moved to another state. In Georgia, you're referencing the "exact match" registration verification process, which requires information on voter applications to precisely match information on file with the Georgia Department of Driver Services or the Social Security Administration. Voters were given 26 months to correct inconsistencies. Nevada did a purge by postcard, resulting in purging registration records of people who had moved. And for North Dakota, the situation involved passage of a voter ID law that requires a physical address where apparently the Native Americans don't have one. Interesting fact with North Dakota - it does not have voter registration.

    I don't doubt that there is intent to suppress with some of these scenarios, but on the same token, you can't just have a voter registration list where you only add and never subtract. If you pass away you certainly shouldn't be voting. If you move to another state or municipality, you have no reason to be voting for anyone in your former jurisdiction. Perhaps I'm cynical because I live in a state where you can register on election day.

    Honestly, the more impactful voter suppression is suppression of free speech. There's just too much shouting over one another these days and all it does is prevent people from participating at all. And then if they do vote, it's based off of theatrics and (unfortunately) not actual policy. This country would be better off if people stopped relying on memes to justify their preconceived notions and instead participate in open dialouge with opposing views. And by the way, 4EverBond, I want to be clear in saying that I don't think that of you, but rather broadly about US citizenry.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I would personally like to do away with memes entirely. :) Yes, I would.
    Everybody should simply check, to the best of their ability, within their own state and be diligent. And vote. Voter suppression does happen.
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    At least it would be nice if the younger generations in America turn up to vote for once, not letting people above 50 have a monopoly on important decisions...
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,253
    jobo wrote: »
    At least it would be nice if the younger generations in America turn up to vote for once, not letting people above 50 have a monopoly on important decisions...

    Reading the above it seems they're systematically kept away from voting.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    jobo wrote: »
    At least it would be nice if the younger generations in America turn up to vote for once, not letting people above 50 have a monopoly on important decisions...

    Reading the above it seems they're systematically kept away from voting.

    "It's a right wing after all, it's a right wing after all, it's a right, right wing..."
    Since Reagan they've upped the game. Greed + hate dominates. Even Obama had to bow to the Military Industrial Complex like a bitch since he had no backup to oppose it. I don't blame him so much as the Industry. Killing people is key, and now killing our environment is key. The operative word here is 'killing.'
    So old white guys can make a killing.
    Before they die.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    Remember when the EU was sold as a common economic market?

    Be concerned what these totalitarian directives could mean for the future of the internet....

    https://juliareda.eu/2018/10/copyright-trilogue-positions/
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,795
    Oh man. The world wide slide into corporofascism continues..
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,253
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Oh man. The world wide slide into corporofascism continues..

    Yep, and when you oppose a 'United States of Europe' you automatically want world war 3. Interesting research about 'if we'd just talk more to the other side 'thesis beeing key to the polarisation:
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/18/17989856/twitter-polarization-echo-chambers-social-media

    It isn't.

    But when you read the article you'll find that the short-burst Twitter 'discussion' is, because Twitter messages are too short to find a common ground.......
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Bond is sent to Istanbul to investigate the murder of a journalist by an unidentified hit squad only to uncover a conspiracy with a hundred tentacles of evil reaching from the Kremlin to the White House, and travels to Riyadh, where he and and old CIA friend, Felix Leiter, proceed to infiltrate the royal palace which is discovered to be designing the beginnings of a new world war alliance. Can they stop WWIII before it begins? See Traitors Never Lie, opening November 6th at a theatre near YOU! kTC25La.jpg
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