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And i'm one of them.
They spread those weapons, too.
I don't think I ever suggested he or, indeed ISIS, was an existential threat to the UK. They are a ragtag band of crackpots who are barely making any headway even in their medieval heartlands. But does it have get to the point where ISIS actually invade before we consider we have a problem in this country? Although I agree with what I think you're getting at - we give them far too much publicity. Ideally the attacks would go unreported but obviously that isn't going to happen so a practical step would be not name the attacker at all and deny the losers their 15 means of infamy.
A brilliant mind until it comes to considering that Islam might be some kind of factor in all this and then I'm just a frothing lunatic? I guess there's some kind of compliment in there. You seem to have a fine mind yourself Sir but seem similarly blinkered when it comes to lapping up the repetitive liberal multicultural simplistic idiocies we get fed after every single attack.
You wont get any argument from me that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars did nothing to help the situation. You knew where you stood with Saddam and he kept them in check. There's no point trying to foist liberal democracy on people who think stoning women is perfectly acceptable. Should've just left them to it. I can understand why a lot of people in these countries hate the west.
But none of the bombers come from these countries they are ostensibly 'UK citizens'. So what makes teenage boys from Bradford, Bolton, Rotherham wherever want to blow themselves up for a random country they've no connection with rather than spending their time drinking and shagging girls? If you can offer a credible hypothesis I'm all ears as my not so brilliant mind can only get as far as the obvious link that only thickos and racists make - Islam.
Well of course that's the elephant in the room. Boris slagged off the Saudis ever so slightly a few months ago and got a massive bollocking followed by a snivelling statement from May that they are our allies.
Until the West is willing to confront the Saudi question we won't get anywhere. I guess at some point there will be a tipping point where paying a bit more for your petrol will be less important than not having your kids blown up but I fear we're a long way from that at the moment. 99% of the public aren't even aware of Saudi exporting its pernicious Wahhabism as the driving force behind all this.
Ridiculous when one thinks about it, given the world's most advanced military is essentially fighting a bunch of ragtag zealots over there, and not a major army.
Well there as well it doesn't help if you keep on arming your opponents, even though not done directly. The only way to win such a war is to occupy the area until the next generation can take over, educated and protected under law (no, not sharia!). But no western power is willing to do this/ plan that far ahead.
So imagine watching all this happening but not being part of it. Being told that much/most of this in sinful (even a bacon sandwich!) so hating the West for its sinful ways but, at the same time, jeallous to see these "others" having a good/fantastic/headonistic time and relating well to each other and the culture they live in. This must create horrible pressures inside these boys and makes it much easier to turn them into what they become.
But, of course, none of what I have said has any meaning because it's nothing to do with Islam.
I watched Question Time last week and one guy was incensed that he went to an open day at a mosque and found some literature that was critical of some of these aspects of western society. But, whatever you think about these aspects of our society, what is so wrong in being critical of them? Now being critical of them and then blowing people up because you are critical of them is obviously deplorable. But we supposedly live in a free society with free speech. If someone wants to be openly critical of these aspects of western society then they should be allowed to do so.
I mean just go to a major city in the UK on a Saturday night - there are some sights to be had!
So did I .
And that man was torn to shred's and made out to be a liar,even though he had the proof with him,and then ignored.
Typical BBC shit...they do love their Muslims on the Muslim Broadcasting Company (MBC not BBC).
That's the problem with our liberal PC society - any thing against Muslims is verboeten. So when this man has a go at what he was given at a mosque the immediate response is to defend Muslims - claiming that it wasn't true or that that literature isn't commonplace. But my point is that there was nothing wrong with that literature - why can't people criticise western society?
That was a pretty isolated incident...these people criticize the West all the time,and nobody even monitors it or tries to diffuse the fanatasism that is brainwashed into people daily In these mosques and other 'places'.
We just let them get on with it and act surprised (not any more though) when a bomb goes off or someone steals a vehicle and plays human skittles.
The war in Afghanistan started in 1979 when the Soviets invaded. Then we funded the Islamists to fight the Commies. The was has been going on for 40 years.
No European or western army has ever won a war in Afghanistan. May be Alexander the Great. But people like Bush and Blair weren't into their history very much.
Bush couldn't even read could he ?
We fought with Islamists in Oman too.
The British defeated the Afghans in the First Anglo-Afghan War.
Why can't people criticise Islam?
I don't think anyone has ever said you can't criticise western culture. Have to say it's a bit rich though that people are happy to reap all the benefits of western culture such as prosperity, affluence, dental care, infrastructure that's slightly in advance of a donkey and cart but then can't wait to slag it off.
If you really would prefer to live in a place where your daughter gets lynched for showing her ankles by all means f**k off there.
It's founded in a deep sense of inferiority and grievance going back centuries and the Muslims have simply never come to terms with the fact that their civilisation, despite once having been preeminent, is now moribund and frankly defunct.
The problem is Islam and particularly Sunni Islam and its inability to come to terms with the modern world.
Oh well said @TheWizardOfIce ....totally totally right ..im behind you on this one 1000% Wiz !!
Being critical is fine if that criticism is based on reason/rationality.
I'm open to a rational critique of why a 20 year old man can't have a boyfriend or a bacon sandwich or a pint of bitter etc,
Or a rational justification of how a 20 year old woman cant show her earlobes in public or have a girlfriend.
Western society is criticised every day...by Western society. Free speech and open critique are part of our core values. Its what we do. (this forum is proof of that)
Very hard to say the same thing about Islam. It's brilliant at coming up with irrational views of liberalism and hopeless and looking at itself.
What about satire? That's a different question. I personally think that's not helpful given the climate we live in, but since free speech is a right it can't be stopped either.
If we're going to eventually eradicate religion the tone of the debate is important.
Instead we are largely sheltered from such realities unless it suits the propaganda machine. The media and governments focus our attention on the 'dictator' (while they support the biggest dictators of all - namely the un-elected Sunni sheikhs who fund this stuff).
There is an element of emotional manipulation at play, and people fall for it every time. Emotions, once triggered, can cloud judgement and rationale.
Or the petrol station that sold the terrorist the fuel that enabled him to drive to Westminster?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/02/francisco-lopes-man-injured-westminster-attack-seeks-compensation
Sadly, in the UK, a whole rotten industry has sprung up around the compensation and blame culture.
Seeing as ISIS claimed responsibility for the Westminster attack, they have left themselves open to a lawsuit by this chap. I wish him luck in bringing them to court.