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Of course the majority are seen as tolerant and peaceful, they've got exactly what they want! Hell, they've even got their own Mayor of London!
And is it not insane that a lot of these that went to fight in Syria have been allowed BACK in this country?!!! They must be laughing their bollocks off at us.
These attacks are not going to end anytime soon, so expect a hell of a lot more minute silences, benefit concerts, candlelit vigils, lit up landmarks and Facebook profile picture changes.
There were 650 mosques in the UK in 2001. in just over ten years that number has more than quadrupled. In 2015 'Muhammed' was the most commonly given name to baby boys in England and Wales.
You do the math.
I wonder if anyone else watching the news noticed that two eyewitnesses - interviewed separately - mentioned that the PoS' responsible shouted "This is for Allah"?
IMHO just as powerful an enemy as the terrorists themselves are those in the establishment, the media and elsewhere, who by various means continue to defend the actions of these scum. I have news for you assorted liberalist/hand wringing/apologists, the 'measures' you adopted to curb radicalisation and prevent terrorist attacks - measures which were adopted after 7/7 - have failed miserably not only to address the core of the problem but the issues on its periphery. You've had twelve years with which to prove that your way of doing things will work and look where we are today. Time to step aside because it's time for action, it's time to take the fight to the enemy.
I'm thinking of taking up self defense training, at least to fend off a knife attack. I first read about this sort of random thing about 4 years ago in Israel, when a Palestinian assailant would just come up to someone and stab them out of nowhere. At that time I realized this was going to get uglier, because it's impossible to predict where or when something like this will come from next.
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Our enemies use and abuse our systems, which they rightly see as weaknesses, to manipulate events to their own advantage.
Hear hear.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/04/london-attack-theresa-may-says-enough-is-enough-after-seven-killed
Trying to sound tough but what are actually you gonna do love?
When you say there is 'too much tolerance of extremism' what do you actually mean? There's no tolerance of extremism amongst the general public so far as I can tell. There's only one sector of the population that comes out with appeasement shit like 'what they did was wrong but what about all the kids bombed in Iraq?' or 'while the Koran says it's wrong to kill I can understand why they did it'. So use the word 'Muslim' instead of these lily livered euphemisms like radicals and extremists.
This is not a problem in the Jewish community or the Chinese community or Star Wars fan community. We all know which community has the problem so when are we going to admit it?
Well I say it's only one community; let's not forget the liberal, lefty, multicultural mafia who would rather see the country burn than admit Islam might not be compatible with a modern, civilised, liberal democracy and whose levels of appeasement make Neville Chamberlain seem like Mrs Thatcher dealing with the miners strike.
Are you being serious? Tell me, how many attacks have been thwarted?
The problem is, while we allow these terrorists to roam at will through our towns and cities, we will be forever playing whackamole.
Notice the difficulty the current US administration is having with passing its travel ban. That should have been a slam dunk.
While some were thwarted, 3 attacks happening within a space of 3 months is just not good enough.
Point is it's only the successful attacks that are getting coverage. They need to publicise the thwarted attacks just as much so it is clear just how deep this cancer runs.
For every successful attack there's dozens blocked by the security services who are doing a sterling job considering the lack of resources and one hand being tied behind their backs by the politicians.
Because as always, these scum are armed and supported by US intelligence services and their allies, to destabilize regimes that are in the way of their economic and/or military interests They don t care about civilian casualties down there, so perhaps the same goes for casualties back here?.
I still think targeting the mosques & internet is the way to go. Levy fines on anyone found spreading hate filled or violence inducing rhetoric and levy fines on anyone associated with that too (even if they aren't the instigator). That will more likely result in folks coming forward.
If T May does want to get tough, then close all faith schools from Sept this year. Of course she wont. If you had a clean sheet of paper and wanted to create an environment that was perfect for breeding ignorance, isolation and closed views, then faith schools would be perfect. And yet, in her current manifesto are proposals to give faith schools greater powers re selection,
Ultimately this is a war after all. A so called 'War on Terror'. The enemy is using a different approach to fight the war. They are creating weaponized cancer cells within the host nations and using them to inflict as much damage from within as possible, and cause the host nation to either change policy or become less free & more authoritarian.
Time will tell if they will succeed in changing Western society.
I think it's critical to cut off the communication channels (internet/mosque etc.) first. That hasn't been done yet.
By the way, just been going through some pages in here. I was a bit afraid of doing so. And my fear was entirely justified...
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"Former British prime minister David Cameron tried to get more to grips with this when he spoke repeatedly of the need to combat “non-violent extremism” in Muslim communities.
The reality he was responding to was that non-violent extremism and conspiracy theories, which play a prominent role in Islamic political culture in the West, prepare people for recruitment by violent jihadists by giving them a world view which holds that the West is engaged in a continuous conspiracy against Muslims.
It is right to say that active participants in terror plots are a tiny, tiny fraction of Muslims in the West, but people holding an extreme, paranoid and delusional narrative of politics constitute a much more substantial minority. No Western government has been successful in countering this, just as none has produced a really effective deradicalisation, or even counter-radicalisation, program.
Such considerations raise again the question of Hizb ut-Tahrir, an extremist group that explicitly rejects terrorist violence.
Last month, Joko Widodo’s government decided to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir in Indonesia. Germany, Egypt and China have already banned the group in their nations.
The Turnbull government has decided it cannot ban it. The question for Western electorates is whether their liberalism requires them to tolerate groups that preach extremism right up to just before the point where they advocate terrorist violence."
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/greg-sheridan/corbyn-may-find-hell-be-hoist-with-his-own-petard/news-story/c0f1ef92d88a3b77f4d2d24e52656377
I can completely understand where you're coming from. Did you know that there are over 22 Islamic associations and societies in England alone. And they're just the official ones.
Rather disproportionate for a so called 'minority' wouldn't you say?
Similarly:
We're not going to solve the problem while this continues on both sides.
My main issue is that 16 years on from 9/11 we are further away than ever from a practical solution. Most people don't even know or care what Isis is. They use meaningless phrases like 'monsters'. They are a death cult bent on destroying non Islamic civilisation
Another thing that doesn't help is when people confuse scrutiny and criticism of islamic teachings with bigotry against all Muslims. It prevents any meaningful debate as everyone is petrified of being labelled an lslamophobe for offering an opinion.
However making comments like Muslims have got their own mayor in sadiq Khan are stupid and divisive. I voted for him. Why? Because he's Labour.
But in here there's barely a discussion about the real cause of it all. There's a reason most Islamic State terrorists are from Saudi-Arabia. It's because that damned King refuses to -financially- invest in the future of young kids and teenagers. He refuses to give the youth a sense of purpose and a chance to do well in society, by heavily investing in education, health-care and social security.
And you know? You slowly see similar things happening in many Western countries. In here Muslims have already been made the paria's of today's western society. Nobody thinks that there perhaps are Muslim Bond fans? Anyway, that's besides the point. For decades subsequent governments, both Tories and Labour, refuse to shrink class differences in society, refused to heavily invest in education, refused to give those youngsters in poor suburbs, both Muslims and non-Muslims, a real chance to excell in their careers, refused to raise taxes on the rich, and lower them from iddle class all the way down to the poor people.
If not properly tackled, one really creates the seeds for a poisonous society in which western democratic ideals are already being thrown in the dustbin. Then the more civilized Muslims dig online into anti-Muslim propaganda from Islamic State. Because make no mistake, the people in here who think Islamic State terrorists are the personification of the real Islam religion are dead wrong. They are the personification of the devil, they are the anti-Muslims....just like the Nazi's in WW II were the personification of the anti-Christ.
Sadly, now many western societies are slowly hanging their heads to Trump's 'ideal vision of a Western world', the internet and the Islam are merely facilitators of all this terrorism, and are by far not the real causes. Once we don't have the financial and psychological will anymore to create an all-inclusive society, the outcasts of that society sooner or later will find the devil itself and turn to poisonous ideologies like Nazism...or Islamic State.
Sadly, I am quite a lonely person in here addressing this very core problem, the core cause of all this shit. So nothing changes anyway. 9/11 is now 16 years old....and look where we are now. All that 'gutsy anti-terrorism talk' from politicians.......it didn't get us anywhere close to the annihilation of terrorism.
I can testify that the answer is yes - such Bond fans are part of the fanbase.