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So the West is the only area of the world where the such attacks happen?
Perhaps the PiecesOS from last night would have preferred the free living ways in the caves of Afghanistan instead of seeing and living all the evil the West is offering?
"Meanwhile signs with the hashtag #turntolove have been taped to bollards, alongside bouquets of flowers. "
This is exactly the type of stuff that the media and religious leaders lap up and have been for years and yet we still dont seem to have realised (like praying or lighting up buildings) that it may help in the short term but it does nothing to save lives in future and provides a distraction from serious debate.
See, no one goes through my post into detail. We all still think: The tougher we are with this war on terrorism, the more terrorist attacks are being prevented. It's a foolish notion. And I don't bother anymore diging into the deeper non-visible causes of this terrorism. Enjoy discussing in here you folks :-).
Hello? Name all the major attacks in Europe in the last 2 years - the Bataclan attack, the Manchester attack, the Brussels attack, the Nice attack, the Charlie Hebdo attack. ALL the perpetrators of these attacks were on terrorist watch-lists.
Osama Bin Laden
So all of these lovey dovey hashtags, and the like, only weaken us in the eyes of these wicked, little people.
You just don't get me, do you :-(. Never mind....
Let's shift the picture a bit then. These long-term solutions are entirely pivotal! Damn important. Actually, Prime Minister May referred to them today as well: "We have to make sure these people become part of our society again, and not part of a sick internet world". I agree policemen, Scotland Yard and MI6 need to do better. But it's naive to think that strengthening anti-terrorism squads will make our societies clean of terrorism. The examples are endless and you know that that alone won't do it!
I mean, I hear it for example on public schools in big cities like Rotterdam, The Netherlands. Kids there are openly criticisng Dutch history, ignore facts like the Holocaust, and actually think that gays need to be slaughtered. THERE it goes wrong. And part of the problem is, that these classrooms are way way too big. And that they don't have fierce parents educating them in Dutch history. BUT, the Dutch government isn't investing at all in a better educated youth. It actually keeps cutting down costs on education. Only recently, the Dutch government sees the importance of having new subjects at school like "Social Media Use", but IMO it's already a quarter past 12!
So today we have the proof that @Gustav_Graves is a Trump supporter. I said 'we need deal with people who are on terrorist watch-lists', and you jump to the conclusion that I am talking about Muslims and that I'm being anti-Muslim. You are just like Trump, or Le Pen, who systemically mention muslims and terrorism in the same sentence. I said 'terrorists', not 'Muslims'. I don't care if people on these watch lists are Catholics, Buddhists, Jedi knights or friggin Scientologists. Anyone who's on those lists must be taken care of. There are even people who shouldn't even be on those damn lists, but no one knows for sure since nothing is being done by our intelligence services.
Read the damn post. I didn't say short term solutions are the only ones that are important. Of course long-term solutions like you mention are important. But the fact is that NEITHER short term or long term solutions are being implemented. How many f*cking times do we need to make stupid hashtags on Twitter, or Facebook or light up important buildings and monuments in special colours in prayers?
I think you make it all sounds so simple. I didn't mean to portray you as a person who dislikes Muslims. On the contrary. But there's no bigger picture to be found in this topic sadly. You make it all sound so ff-ing simple, but you fail to see how complex this problem is and that more needs to be done than "deal with every person on these watch lists", or twittering about how wrong the mayor of London is. That doesn't help things at all. Moreover, you tend to forget the incredible burden there is on police squads across the globe these days. Yes, you can chase more people if you like, but that equals a big financial injection from the government.
And me a Trump-supporter? I will never support a con-man who thinks problems will be solved be initiating immigration bans, when it are actually American Muslims who have been cornered increasingly. Just look at the Florida terrorist attack from last year. The terrorist was.....an American! Trump only makes things worse. If you really want to fight terrorism, then it needs to be done in a smart way, like I said, and not in a incredibly dumb-ass way like Trump does.
Oh, it would cost a big load of money to 'chase more people'? So, by your definition, how about you stop talking about 'BUT, the Dutch government isn't investing at all in a better educated youth. It actually keeps cutting down costs on education.'? Stop contradicting yourself and start talking seriously, please.
By nutter i meant Islamist but appreciate this was not immediatley obvious, although I confirmed it Was so a couple of posts later
But in here there's barely a discussion about the real cause of it all. There's a reason most Islamic State terrorists are from Saudi-Arabia. It's because that damned King refuses to -financially- invest in the future of young kids and teenagers. He refuses to give the youth a sense of purpose and a chance to do well in society, by heavily investing in education, health-care and social security.
I see the light! Of course most Islamist terrorists are drawn to the cause because they have been denied the chance to do well in society, to have a sense of purpose etc.
Hold on a mo. What about the millions of disaffected non Muslim youths from across Europe who (because of the EU and globalisation?) have been denied a sense of purpose and a chance to do well? How many choose to attach themselves some some warped ideology - a perversion of Christianity - and conduct terror attacks? I'll check on google and see if I can find any examples.
This is the point where I am accused of being anti Muslim...............
Really? Not like you to leap to the obvious assumption without proof old chap. I guess it's getting so repetitive these days that even you are losing heart in the multiculturalist mantra. For every Breivik there's a thousand jihadists so it's a foolish man who'd bet on anything else.
Quite. So the King of Saudi Arabia is to blame for not giving hand outs to teenagers on Bolton because sorry Gustav, although Saudi is an odious regime, all of the recent attacks are 'UK citizens' (in the loosest sense obviously) and have nothing to do with Saudi at all.
In the immortal words of Sgt Al Powell himself 'Why don't youwake up and smell what you're shovelling?'
And as for being disaffected, downtrodden persecuted, held backby the system blah blah as excuses - there are plenty of people like that who don't resort to murder.
Take the Black Lives Matter movement; making their point forcefully but without recourse to killing children.
Dead right and my thoughts exactly. Enough of the waffle about causation. We need action and to be put on a war footing with immediate effect.
Unbelievable
Police were warned about the main suspect radicalising children in a local park two years ago, a neighbour has revealed.
Erica Gasparri, an Italian mother of three who lives in the same complex said she confronted the man, known locally as “Abs”, after her son came home and said: “Mummy, I want to be a Muslim.”
Gasparri then went to the park, where she said a “Pakistani man” had stated: “I’m ready to do whatever I need todo in the name of Allah. I am ready in the name of Allah what needs to be done, including killing my own mother.”
She said: “I took four photographs of him and gave them to the police. They rang Scotland Yard when I was there and said the information had been passed on to Scotland Yard. They were very concerned. They told me to delete the photos for my own safety which I did but then I heard nothing. That was two years ago. No-one came to me. If they did this could have been prevented and lives could have been saved.
“He would go down to the park and talk to them about Islam and he also came to the houses and gave the kids money and sweets during Ramadam.”
One step back a moment. Does anyone here seriously think that the person doing the reporting would afterwards be made privy to any subsequent SB/MI5 investigation? How could the reporter have prevented the attacks if the police had 'came to her'? Just because she heard nothing means nothing.
The sad fact of the matter is there are just too many terrorists/sympathisers/religious zelots roaming our streets to enable any form of effective surveillance/counter measures to take place. As I said before, there is a solution, but it's one which shakes the sensibilities of those who seek to uphold the rights of said terrorists.
No, that wasn't my point. My point is that it has been reported that this lady 'heard nothing' from the police after making her report. This would be SOP in such an instance. Think about it, why would the police need to contact her? Had she not already told them all she knew? Any further response from the police to the lady would have been talked about and most likely that same gossip would have found it's way back to the subject himself. Acting on the information received, the police would make their own inquiries, passing any concerns they had to Special Branch, where it could then be shared with MI5 and the required reactive action taken.
This kind of story, or more correctly the misrepresentation of police reaction to such instances, by those who fail to grasp the basic principles of police SOPs, does nothing but perhaps serve to put off people from making reports. Yes the police will receive many reports, and many which will be spurious, but in this information age, when detailed intelligence profiles can be built up quickly from a variety of sources - including overseas - they can soon separate the wheat from the chaff.
People should never be fooled by irresponsible tabloid reporting such as this, and never be put off from reporting any concerns they have to the police.