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Until the west stops going around the world bombing people 'in the name of democracy' and starts to enact policies at home that results in a better life for all its citizens, there will only be more extremism (religious or otherwise). Many confuse democracy with unbridled and uncontrolled trickle down capitalism. They are quite different ideas.
911 was 16 years ago. The Afghan war has been ongoing since then. The Iraq conflict for only slightly less time. Countless innocent lives have been lost and some teenagers have only known occupation and war at home. That's a breeding ground for extremism and resistance (it doesn't need to be religious, although religion is the convenient rallying cry that they use as it's an easy way for them to mobilize, just like we mobilize under the context of democracy and spreading the gospel).
"Welcome to our Sunday service. Instead of simging songs and praying, we shall be asking if all this is actually true"
What is interesting is that we are able to divide up what we are curious about. I am, always amazed re the Apollo 8 crew reading from Genesis. Surely, Apollo represents the ultimate in the curioisity of the human species and, when at its peak, we fall back on our primitive beliefs....two steps forward, one step back.
Many churches regularly have midweek events where they will deal with the typical questions people have eg. Why does a good God allow suffering?
I find it hard to agree that Christians hate questions - they (or some) do use catechisms which are questions!
Often on a Sunday, many churches have paper slips in the Bibles so you can write a question down with your email address or you can simply ask a question of the pastor or those that are members of that church.
Some of that is inherent and genetic, and some of it is conditioned.
There are many non-religious people in the world who just believe what their friends tell them and what they read without seeking out evidence to substantiate what they've learned and without skepticism. In fact, I would say more people are like that than the other way round. That again plays into religion's ability to seduce people (humans are naturally susceptible to cognitive bias according to landmark studies on behavioural psychology).
Yes, I have attented many of these, (normally a little balder on exit due to puling my hair out), your example is typical of the type of agenda that is already set with assumptions made right from the start. The deck is stacked.
IMHO hard to see why a curious person would pick a particualr religion other than the fact that they were brain washed before they could become curious (hence Father Christmas)
And yet I am a Christian and do not have any family background in Christianity. I knew no one who was a Christian until the age of 19.
Of course the two are not the same, no one would say that they are.
The problem is with you conflating radical islamic terrorism with the your political objections as to the insufficiency of the British social system or to the policies of the west in general. It is nice and convenient, but to say that only if Western countries had sufficient social systems and lower levels of income inequality that youth would be much less likely to look to radical movements like ISIS is frankly speakly, neither stimulating nor sophisticated. What it does is deflect from the real issue at hand. These types of ideas get people killed.
So, my question to Dennison and others who want to answer. What efforts do you make to understand those who have a different belief. This is the essence of curiousity. To get back on track. I dont think Islam has a good track record on this. Not exactly lining up to go to a Dawkins speech.
You seem to be fixating on a few words I mentioned as I've seen others do here in the past. It is part of the problem. Not the only issue by any means. However, we have to acknowledge it. We cannot ignore it, because they certainly aren't.
I posted a youtube video a few pages back showing an Islamic roadshow indoctrination drive by Abu Izzadeen. You can see that he makes the direct link between Western foreign policy and Islam. He is playing into tribalism, communal sympathies and cognitive bias when recruiting. Let's not give him further ammunition.
Here it is again.
You are in a significant minority.
It isn't directly related, and @bondjames hasn't said it is, but it is connected. Look at the countries hit hardest: France, Belgium, Britain, Germany. they all have huge areas where only poor immigrants live. These are areas where hardly any white person comes, even though they are the majority in the country. These are areas with the worst schools, with the most people on benefit and those who can (especially as they make some money) leave as soon as they can. Youth growing up here are (as are all) dissatisfied with theri way of living, and seek purpose. It's these areas where radical thinkers find their listeners. They offer 1. eternal life 2. belonging 3.purpose (marterdom). All the things people crave and are usually given through religion.
The countries in Western Europe with lower income disparaties and/ or more mixed neighbourhoods have, up until now, had far fewer incidents. They haven't been completely exempt, but the frequencies and intensity have been a lot lower.
One needs to attack these problems with a holistic view, not hammer down on one aspect.
But it isn't a matter of religion alone. The US, the Western country with the biggest income differences and the lowest living standards for the poor of all Western countries also has the highest violence records, and thanks to the gun laws, these also have a very high mortality rate.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/06/mosque-refuses-to-say-islamic-prayers-for-london-bridge-attackers-6687830/
Well, firstly, income inequality in itself tells us essentially nothing. You would certainly prefer to have a much larger pie with higher levels of income inequality than a much smaller one with far lower levels of income inequality. Hence, talking about income inequality in a vacuum is a pointless exercise. Tis' not interchangeable with poverty or the living conditions of the population.
Secondly, your correlation falls apart with even a cursory analysis of the facts. A Socialist government has been in power in France for the last five years and they have been hit as hard as anyone. You are really mingling together concepts which are really very different.
Thirdly, the reality is that the United States is the wealthiest country in the history of the world, by a good margin, so that line also unfortunately does not hold weight.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/08/saudi-arabia-footballers-ignore-minutes-silence-for-london-attack-victims
At least Australia won 3-2 .
None of these factors in any way explain why a foreign footbal team cant even be bothered to pretend to care when people are knifed down in the street. I wonder if T May has the time to watch this on the TV? too busy lining up the next arms order
Sorry but I have to refute this tosh. Of course rational thinking overrules biological herd instincts. That's what separates us from animals.
It wasn't biological wiring that created fire or the wheel or powered flight or the internet it was rational thinking. Humans without rational thinking are just apes that walk upright.
For what it's worth religion also stems from rational thinking. Firstly as a way to explain and make sense of the universe and then later on the shrewd clergy realised they could use it as a means to subjugate the masses, still governed by the herd instinct, and empower themselves.
To say using rational thinking doesn't make someone smarter flies in the face of all notions of human civilisation right back to that first creature who rubbed two sticks together.
Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Copernicus, Galileo, Da Vinci, Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Hawking.
That's a quick list off the top of my head of prominent rational thinkers. Over to you. Can't wait to see your list of great contributors to human history who eschewed rational thinking.
Lovely stuff.
There is a thread a few pages back,but you are right,i couldn't be arsed to resurrect it.
Apologies old chap I forgot to answer your searching philosophical question from earlier about life and the universe.
For me on a bacon sarnie I generally go tomato ketchup. I'll veer to the brown side from time to time (not like that) but usually red on bacon.
Now a sausage sarnie (made with lovely pig meat none of your halal turkey or chicken rubbish) 99% of the time I go brown.
Must stipulate though for red must be Heinz and for brown HP. That's non negotiable. I'm not the sort of chav peasant who could entertain the notion of Daddies or supermarket own brand.
Glad you brought it up though as I think that really gets to the nub of the human condition.
Hopefully this link works.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/football/socceroos-v-saudi-arabia-video-highlights-moments-that-mattered-in-a-crucial-wcq/news-story/73ded69f4a03e378472d0a36a4acb31b
Disgraceful display from the Saudi players. Some of the Twitter responses are interesting. Seems it's one way traffic with some.
Fair enough. Let's have Diane Abbott as Home Secretary. Just don't moan when your children get slaughtered on a daily basis and we have sharia law within 3 years.
For me,for bacon or sausage it has to be brown sauce (unless its a hot dog,then its ketchup),and ONLY HP.
Oh,and when I do use ketchup,as per you Wizz,it has to be Heinz only.
Just thought I would mention that.
Bloody hungry now.