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Oh please, have you seen the way animals are treated in our "civilized" Western society. You have a problem with Islam, fine, but don't go about arguing things that we don't have a leg to stand on for either.
Better put a warning sign at the start of every movie so those whose political views don't align with Bond or the actor whose playing him can leave pronto before the PTS.
They are just blokes taking a pay check. Being a fan quite a different thing. Doesn't mean they love the character like we do. I wonder how often the actors watch Bond films? I'd go out on a limb and say hardly ever (the only one I can recall ever mentioning it is Brozza watching GF with his kids) because they just treat it as a job.
And your argument about Scottish nationalist falls a bit flat when you consider the guy is a tax exile living in Marbella. You might consider someone who is so committed to the cause to actually live in the country he's supposed to love but then once your earnings start getting battered by the top rate of tax it's strange how your socialist principles start to change somewhat.
But I haven't got a problem with it. If people can enjoy cheering on a character who lives in luxury and kills for the imperialist British government so that they can continue subjugating the poor and it doesn't compromise their strongly held leftist beliefs then fine.
And lest we forget Fleming himself was the ultimate working class hero. Worked down't pit for 30 years man and boy, raced pigeons and was a card carrying member of the Labour Party who knew all the words to 'The Red Flag.'
Some folks are sadly run by religion. Others are so obsessed with politics (in lieu of religion) that it is this instead of religion which warps their sense of reality.
Yeah but we don't have a religious doctrine on how animals should be slaughtered do we? Yep, animal abuses occur in every country but I'd imagine the UK is pretty low on the totem pole of animal abuse. So your argument that 'we are just as bad' is not only moronic, it's insulting.
I prefer stand up like the late great Bill Hicks. Said whatever he felt like and didn't give shit who he offended. And didn't just stick to mocking easy targets that his audience would side with him with.
Where did I mention I'm a right winger by the way? I'm from the common sense sort of corner and I just can't abide lefties. Because you usually find they're the biggest sniveling hypocrites you could ever meet.
Strangely enough Hicks is my all time favourite stand up and he'd definitely be going after the current Government in this country and the U.S
I imagine Hicks being quite a fan of both Sanders and Corbyn.
Well i'm sure that Dickie Attenborough didn't have much of an affinity with murdering women when he took the part of Christie. But it was an acting job which he got paid for. Actors and fans are a separate entity. So what's your point...?
Sorry, so because we kill our animals awfully it's totally fine because it's not for religious reasons?
The law states we kill livestock 'humanely' which is governed by UK and EU law. I'm sure there are abuses of this that if discovered are prosecuted. Animals in the UK are supposed to be killed rapidly with minimal suffering. Bit different to slitting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death because an ancient work of fiction tells you to.
That equating the appreciation, enjoyment or performance of a dramatic artwork with any particular political tendency or ideology is plain daft. It's the kind of simplistic idiocy you'd expect from people like ISIS, the hard right of the Republican Party or a Stalinist.
On one side we have those who are vocal about waht a pile of poo relogion is. This is a new thing, look back at just 30 years ago and you just wont find such open and vocal critique of all religion, this is also reflected by the fact that the population overall is dropping relgion like a hot potatoe with 100 better things to do with you time on a Sunday (or what ever religious day you choose)
On the other side we have a group who focus on individual rights sand rights of communities with the focus on the right not to be offended and all the stuff about loving each other and wanting to stay as one big community, united and not divided etc etc,
these two movements are diametrically opposed as, by defintion, you cant slag off religion without causing offence and effectively, undermining the values that many communties are based on (including Islam)
Both of the movements cant be right, we cant have our cake and eat it, something has to give but, at the moment, manistream media and those in power are chosing the "light a candle,lets all hug, stronger together" attitude rather than, "what the hell are we doing, worshipping a sky fairy and thinking that they will come to our rescue"
PS interesting where the "anti islamaphobia " argument will end. Will books be taken from the shelves of bookshops, will debates be banned, will threads like this be inspected? Am I guilty of encouraging Islamaphobia by pointing out that its a fairy tale?
There are plenty of people who would defend freedom of religion and the right to cause offence equally.
In the UK our problem is that we don't have a right to free speech.
Having said that I do have an issue with people causing offence for the sake of it. Freedom of speech should come with responsibilities as well.
It's amazing how desperate people are to show their contempt for our society/appease religion (not just Islam as it applies to Kosher as much as halal) that they come out with statements like this.
But @StirredNotShaken is backed by the government to be fair:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/halal-and-kosher-slaughter
Quite disgusting how the government allows religion to supercede the law of the land.
'You must stun all animals before you slaughter them unless an animal is being religiously slaughtered for halal or kosher meat.'
So if you slit your dog's throat in your back yard and watch him bleed out you are committing a criminal offence unless you can prove you are a Jew or Muslim and are planning to eat him. Similarly if you chop a baby's foreskin off you can avoid prison by invoking religion.
The irony being of course that it's the people who have no truck with religion who are happy to live and let live and let people do what they want as long as it doesn't affect others. But that's not good enough for the religious; they have to stamp their feet like toddlers until they get their own way.
Did anyone see the Piers Morgan interview with the EDL guy the other day? It's probably on YouTube. The guy was obviously a bit of a moron who didn't have a great grasp of facts but the stand out moment for me was Morgan bellowing over him 'Have some damn respect for people's beliefs!' like an Obersturmbannfuhrer.
This is where we are in this country - the rest of us are commanded to have respect for whatever infantile, idiotic stories someone might think are true. Unless of course you're a Jedi or a Scientologist and then people are allowed to laugh at you, an atheist in which case no one cares that you might find religion offensive or you are a believer in Hitler's philosophy and then your fundamental right to believe what you want goes out the window and you get thrown in clink.
I guess the mainstream religions have it sewn up and we're losing the battle. You're allowed to believe whatever you want and other people will be ordered to respect said belief just as long as it conforms to one of the religions that has got the biggest market share. Although of course even that is flexible as there are less Sikhs than Jedi's in this country but one has to be respected and the other can be ridiculed.
So are most of the religious fanatics.
PS:
The slit throat method of killing is intended to drain the blood from the animal and cause quick and painless death via blood pressure loss. I believe, as with the kosher method, that the knife must be extremely sharp for a clean cut. There is a science to it.
I couldn't give the slightest toss what it is 'intended' to do. UK law states that you must stun animals before you slaughter them. If the law says you drown them in the canal first then you do that instead. My fervent, heartfelt 'belief' is that you should be allowed to drive at 80 on the motorway but if I get caught doing it my 'belief' has zero traction with the law and I get 3 points and a fine.
The law is not the pick & mix counter at Woolies. Unless you're religious of course.
You obviously have no clue what I'm talking about with that completely stupid and irrelevant comment.
Correct, I have not got a clue what you're on about.
What ARE you actually saying? Actors are free to pick and choose their work, but audiences are only allowed to watch films that align with their political beliefs?