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It really is sad at how many of my fellow Americans think that America is the greatest country on Earth. We're not. Too many of us are greedy and don't want to change because we think we're already perfect. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and there are a great deal of good people here but we really need to focus on bettering ourselves and realize we're not "great."
A very honest post,respect to you for that.
If one does neither, then what's the point of the love? All one is doing is sending others to die in one's place and that's not love at all.
I just find these platitudes (useless phrases?) about patriotism, love of country and what not meaningless without civic duty to back it up.
So the whole argument about crime persisting is an invalid one in any case, because you can extrapolate that to mean that laws shouldn't be made at all. The only valid argument I can think of would be that these obscene gun violence rates don't exist/gun laws won't change them, and to my knowledge, the facts are arrayed quite neatly against that stance.
Oddly enough I still haven't been killed by anyone, and I'm not allowed to carry any firearm. Do we have croiminals who own illegal guns. Sure we do. But your last sentence says it all: where do you get that idea from? Why do you think there are people out there who 'want to kill you'?
You were asking if it makes a difference, making guns legal or illegal. SInce the Australians (best comparison to the USA I suppose) banned automatic and semi-automatic guns, they've had none, that is ZERO, mass shoutings. Against a standard once a year.
How many times did you actually pull a gun on anyone 'to protect yourself'?
I will tell you this, I've been attacked by a group of boys (around 4 of them, 18y/o's) who were seeking a fight. If I'd pulled a gun, someone would've died. Fact is, everyone got away, some with bruses (at least me) and jailtime (one of the 4).
We have guns for protection in case of situations like this. It might be unusual to people who are not used to guns but honestly the fault is with the hotel and not guns. The guns he had were illegal.
Why didn't the hotel have better security? I went to an nba game and a graduation in a stadium, had to remove my belt, empty my pockets and bags and pass them through metal detectors and get body searched. Lasted 5 seconds. Then it was the next person.
Something like that would be so helpful. Can you imagine if his hotel had that type of security??
Chicago is a gun free zone and 500 deaths this year from guns and 9 dead 39 injured in shootings during Charlottesville but the media didn't say anything. Inner cities in America are full of drugs, gangs and violence but the media won't report it.
I just can't believe he was allowed to take 20 something assault rifles and put them in a hotel along with a surveillance set up and a 50 pound bomb in his car.. Really....
And Exactly. Several of my family and friends are gun owners. So am I. We do it for sport or protection, not to blow away innocent civilians.
Guns kill people and that is fact they were not created for any other cause then to kill, main purpose I would say.
Anybody having 50 guns is crazy there is nothing smart about it. Proof of gun craziness are the 30.000 casualties of guns in the US every year. Okay a large part are suicides but still dead.
The GUN craziness in the US has nothing to do with common sense or safety. I have never been threatened by anybody to warrant me having a gun, nobody wanted to kill me either. I think having a shedload of guns for protection says more about the paranoia one lives with. The US is in need of serious Mental health treatment in my humble opinion.
If you need 50 guns to feel safe you are one mental sick puppy.
Could you furnish us with one (just the one - not too much to ask surely?) example where an upstanding citizen prevented one of these massacres by pulling out his piece and gunning the perpetrator down like Dirty Harry? Because the only ones our anti gun media tell us about over here is when the SWAT team shows up to end it.
Why not just have one for defence and maybe one for hunting or whatever else it is you do ?
This is where the system fails...seriously 50 guns ?!
If I lived next door to someone who had 50 guns,i would call the police,and im not joking..i would think they are a terrorist or a nutter.
I spent most of my childhood and teenage years in a fairly rough area of London. Never owned a gun, never felt I needed to. I can understand the sport aspect of it, but you don't need a pistol to carry around or a rifle to keep at home. Why do you need a gun for protection? You do have (armed) police over there.
Yes guns don't kill people people kill people blah blah blah but being able to easily, legally obtain an assault rifle makes it a hell of a lot easier. And yeah it's all the hotels fault for not strip searching every customer and emptying every one of the hundreds of bags of luggage they had, that's the issue here, not the fact that the guy was able to buy assault rifles. Don't try and shift everyone's attention to the hotel security. There's a reason this happens so reguarly and that this issue comes up every time and it'll carry on doing so until something changes.
Nobody needs to own 50 guns. End of. I'm sorry but that's just insane and that you genuinely think that's acceptable it just shows how backwards and ridiculous America's (I know it isn't all of you to be fair and I feel sorry for the sane rational Americans who have to put up with this on their doorstep) stance on this is in comparison to pretty much the rest of the civilised world.
Yes tighter gun control laws wouldn't get rid of shootings entirely. But they'd reduce them dramatically and as @TheWizard said, I've never heard any stories of some heroic patriotic American whipping out his glock and saving the day. I have however heard plenty of some psycho with an assault weapon killing and wounding several people until the police arrive. So I reckon you could live without them even if gun crime wouldn't be 100% gone (what sort of logic is that? There'd still be a small chance of this happening so we should all keep our guns so that there's an even bigger chance of this happening, that'll sort it).
But this has happened too many times for me to think anything will ever actually change over there. If you want to live in a place where your coworker and anyone else who could go postal any time can legally own 50 devices designed for the purpose of killing people then good luck to you. But don't hold it against the rest of us for pointing out just how batshit insane that actually is.
Don't know what you mean mate. There's plenty of well documented instances of this happening:
John McClane, off duty NYPD officer - Nakatomi Plaza LA 1988, Dulles Airport 1990
Casey Ryback, ship's cook - USS Missouri 1992, Grand Continental train 1995
John Cutter, self defence instructor - Atlantic International Airlines flight to LA 1992
James Marshall, POTUS - Air Force One 1997
Paul Blart, shopping mall security guard - West Orange Pavillion Mall, NJ 2009
I am really not an anti-gun guy, believe me, but at least registration, background checks and no legal and easy access to devices that make your rifle full auto really should be something every person with a modicum of common sense should be able to agree on. And of course mandatory gun handling courses since, having been myself to several US gun shops/shows, I can attest that the average American gun owner knows spit about gun handling. It's actually quite terrifying, to be honest.
Faulting the hotel for not having enough security is really a bad, bad joke. Yesterday on CNN a former FBI agent referred that he had been to Las Vegas two weeks ago for Congress and he spent one and a half hours in the reception hall just until it was his time to get his room. He said if they were doing security checks the like we are used from airports and such there would have been a waiting line 2 times around the block. These kind of things are simply not feasible and besides, this killer really spend much time in planning obviously. He surely would have found another snipers nest for himself.
BTW, I have yet to hear any credible argument that someone needs something like an AR 15 for self-defense ( let alone hunting). If you are afraid of your environment there still nothing to protect you better than a good 12/70 shotgun loaded with 00 ammo and a large caliber revolver stuffed with hollow points. Let me ensure you, that if someone looks down the barrel of a 45 caliber revolver combined with those four visible rounds with their menacing gaps calms people down big way.
EDIT : Found it !
Oh, and @barryt007 and @thelivingroyale : I agree : 50 guns in one home is a sign of madness, not of responsible gun ownership. Unless we're talking about a gun collector. And even then...
One of the funniest and yet most tragic things I have read on this forum. The absolute determination to alter the agenda and blame a third party rather than have a proper discussion and just look around the World at how other countries lead there lives.
Perhaps with the Dunblane tragedy: the fault was with the school for poor security.?
It is a little like the thread on religion because you can state the facts over and over again but the truth will no get through. It's very sad.
Control will increasingly be removed from the individual on account of technology. As I said, it's coming with the autonomous vehicle soon enough.
Its here already all over the World. There is just no need for the USA to sit on its backside and blame hotels, or wait for new technology or shrug their shoulders ("you can kill with a lorry"),
the solution is all over the World but they dont want to see it.
20 times more likely (I know these figures will onlyhave impact outside of the USA) but TWENTY times more likely to die from gun violence. I get on a plane at Gatwick, arrive in NY 8 hours later and I am now 20 times more likely to die re gun crime.
Insulting or denigrating the population who worship or want a gun isn't going to bring about the solution. Just more tension.
Spot on. Or the motto here in the US is that it's somehow always "too early to talk about gun control" after a shooting, just for a few weeks to pass by, the shooting falls away into history, no gun control laws are discussed or formulated, and we are back to sharing our "thoughts and prayers" with the next shooting in a few weeks time.
As you said, some of them will go to the most extreme lengths to try and pin blame on everyone and everything BUT the guns, just so they can keep them. I don't understand it.
Unlike the 10 commandments , the 2nd ammendment was created by humans. (yes I know the 10 commandments were also but you get my point) It's just words on paper and can be changed if the political and social will is there. To say it is "enshrined" is a cop out.
I take your point re insulting but , sometimes it seems that people from outside the USA are more angry about the needless slaughter than you guys. You seem so passive about it. As if it's out of your hands and you have no control over your own destiny.
The population of Catalonia seem to have more passion and motivation re the political status compared to the USA and guns.