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  • Posts: 4,615
    None of us know how we will react in such situations. If he froze, it's easy to brand him as a coward and the NRA will use him as a distraction for sure. How many in the armed forces freeze when "under fire", we can't all be Arnie or Sly. This guy is going to get a pounding from all directions and the situation was not created by him.

    You also have to wonder what caliber of officer they put on school duty. They are not going to have a top SWAT guy sit around for 99.999% of the time.

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    patb wrote: »
    None of us know how we will react in such situations. If he froze, it's easy to brand him as a coward and the NRA will use him as a distraction for sure. How many in the armed forces freeze when "under fire", we can't all be Arnie or Sly. This guy is going to get a pounding from all directions and the situation was not created by him.



    You also have to wonder what caliber of officer they put on school duty. They are not going to have a top SWAT guy sit around for 99.999% of the time.

    Do we have his age at all,Pat ?
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 4,615
    54

    I wonder if we can look forwad to some kind of Taken or Die Hard follow up where an ex police/special forces guy goes to school to collect his grandchildren and gets caught up in the heat of the battle? Sounds crass now but Hollywood never misses an opportunity.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Oh he is not a youngster then,no wonder he is in shit.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 7,507
    patb wrote: »
    54

    I wonder if we can look forwad to some kind of Taken or Die Hard follow up where an ex police/special forces guy goes to school to collect his grandchildren and gets caught up in the heat of the battle? Sounds crass now but Hollywood never misses an opportunity.


    - "This is not the time for political discussion on gun control right now. But feel free to make a movie script about this!"
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,120
    So this “plan” of arming teachers, is this really a serious option?

    Might as well call Ennio to write the music score!

    (Although he’d probably refuse, way too classy for that shit.)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited February 2018 Posts: 9,117
    patb wrote: »
    You also have to wonder what caliber of officer they put on school duty. They are not going to have a top SWAT guy sit around for 99.999% of the time.

    'Security guards are retired old policemen growing fat on a pension.'
    - Hans Gruber.

    If the yanks are determined to continue to let every man and his dog have a gun then a SWAT guy is exactly what is required.

    Unless they go for some of the excellent solutions we came up with on the previous page.
  • Posts: 4,615
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/22/florida-house-votes-to-force-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-a-day-after-refusing-to-consider-gun-control/?utm_term=.6a66e0d87105

    If the Florida House of Representatives has its way, all public schools in the Sunshine State will soon be required to post the words “In God We Trust” — the state’s motto — on all campuses where students and staff can see them.

    The House voted on the legislation Wednesday — 97 to 10, with members standing and applauding the results — after finding time to debate and approve a bill declaring pornography a “public health risk.”

    Yet the House refused, 71 to 37, to take up a bill this week to ban assault weapons, which had been supported by student survivors of the Feb. 14 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, where a gunman killed 17 people. The students had gone to the state capital to push for gun control and were in the gallery when the gun legislation was raised. Some were dismayed by the legislators’ inaction.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited February 2018 Posts: 9,117
    In God they trust.

    So why bother with gun control? Just keep those prayers going and problem solved.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Five times a day should do it.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,255
    patb wrote: »
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2018/02/22/florida-house-votes-to-force-schools-to-display-in-god-we-trust-a-day-after-refusing-to-consider-gun-control/?utm_term=.6a66e0d87105

    If the Florida House of Representatives has its way, all public schools in the Sunshine State will soon be required to post the words “In God We Trust” — the state’s motto — on all campuses where students and staff can see them.

    The House voted on the legislation Wednesday — 97 to 10, with members standing and applauding the results — after finding time to debate and approve a bill declaring pornography a “public health risk.”

    Yet the House refused, 71 to 37, to take up a bill this week to ban assault weapons, which had been supported by student survivors of the Feb. 14 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, where a gunman killed 17 people. The students had gone to the state capital to push for gun control and were in the gallery when the gun legislation was raised. Some were dismayed by the legislators’ inaction.

    hahahaha well they might as well put that up, as it's for sure they can't trust their lawmakers!

    About that security guard: if he just had a handgun the chances of him getting the killer were rather slim, because AR15 beeing a bit more destructive and having greater range. That and the fact that in war most soldiers aim to miss, because it takes a lot to kill a fellow human beeing, this guy can hardly be blamed for anything. It wasn't him allowing anyone to walk around with an AR15 after all....

    AMerica, meet your new teachers:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/fdbd39f45f103ea65db6eb6a3fbb426d/tumblr_nziclaWGM51tgh17uo2_1280.jpg
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,792
    Regarding the Deputy: it was his job, the reason for being there, that he failed to perform. He did not do his job.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,255
    Regarding the Deputy: it was his job, the reason for being there, that he failed to perform. He did not do his job.

    true, but you might also ask the question if his job was 'doable' in the first place. Let's put it this way: in my country water is the big enemy. Now we could start using wood panneling as 'dykes', and it'd look nice, but we know that when push comes to shove it won't do the trick. Why do Americans insist it's common sense to think any old guy with a low salary and a uniform is Dick Tracy?

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,032
    Why do Americans insist it's common sense to think any old guy with a low salary and a uniform is Dick Tracy?
    Because the even older guy in the White House with a giant salary and an overlong tie is also a dick, even "bigly"?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,792
    This will be my last comment here: he was an armed Sheriff's Deputy assigned to that location to protect the school, the faculty, and the students.
  • Posts: 7,507
    This will be my last comment here: he was an armed Sheriff's Deputy assigned to that location to protect the school, the faculty, and the students.


    We won't miss you...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    This will be my last comment here: he was an armed Sheriff's Deputy assigned to that location to protect the school, the faculty, and the students.

    Well as someone who has never faced down an AR-15 I'm not going to start criticising someone who found himself in that situation.

    But clearly you know better.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,032
    jobo wrote: »
    This will be my last comment here: he was an armed Sheriff's Deputy assigned to that location to protect the school, the faculty, and the students.


    We won't miss you...

    I think that reaction was unnecessary and unwarranted. @RichardTheBruce just pointed out the facts, without further argument. No need to get personal, even though most of us wish there would be an arms ban instead of armed guards in the States.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,179
    Arming teachers isn't going to help anything.
  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    Arming teachers isn't going to help anything.

    The point isn't to help anything, the point is to prevent any interruption in the sales of guns to anybody & everybody with the cash to pay for it. Or the ability to steal it...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Arming teachers isn't going to help anything.

    The point isn't to help anything, the point is to prevent any interruption in the sales of guns to anybody & everybody with the cash to pay for it. Or the ability to steal it...

    "The [guns] must flow..."
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited February 2018 Posts: 24,179
    America used to be the land of progress, of liberal freedom, of promise. Now it's stuck in stubborn conservatism and growing sicker by the minute. What America needs is a blood transfusion, a fresh, new take on things. America has to enter the 21st century and leave politics based solely on scaring others while being afraid itself, behind.

    When my country suffered its recent terrorist attacks, Trump felt the need to lick our wounds by scoffing at us and by presenting us as the ultimate failed state. Because of the senile fool's comments, some simpleminded Americans truly think Belgium is some backwards piece of nothing floating adrift between chaos and self-destruction. What Trump fails to notice, however, no doubt too busy watching television shows all day, is that Belgium surpasses his America on almost every level that matters. Better education, better healthcare, a higher degree of secularisation... Okay, we're less focused on warfare; America beats us there. So when we had our airport bombing, Belgium didn't arm up, didn't declare war on the Middle-East, didn't tumble into chaos and ridiculous power displays in the media. Our schools didn't close, we didn't stay home from work, public transportation systems weren't shut down. And most importantly, we didn't yell, "let's kill every last one of them" without clearly defining "them". We showed who's stronger, by not giving in to the fear that terrorists seek to elicit. (Read this.)

    I stand side by side with my American friends, but I loathe America's pitiful conservatism and the political establishment that keeps nurturing it while pretending that "everyone else" on the planet is a barbaric leftover from forgotten days. If anything, the true barbarians are currently running the show in America, forcing the once oh-so-promising land back into medieval times. Half the population is superstitious beyond belief, the other half thinks every problem can be solved with the aid of guns. Actual problems are conveniently ignored and when brave people demand that gun laws be revised, some morons with a political mandate debate the dangers of porn instead. (Read here.) But since I'm a lot smarter and certainly far better educated than Trump, I won't even call America a failed state. I truly believe America can still be a great country, but it has to learn, as we all do, that sometimes, the way things have always been isn't the way things should be, nor the way things should remain. Lots of countries have abolished guns. Does that mean no-one gets killed anymore? Does illegal traffic of guns not exist instead? Of course these things still happen. But random shootings seem to be taking place a lot less in those countries, so I guess that counts for something.

    And it's not just about the guns; it's about helping people with issues too. And I truly think America has some lessons to learn there too. I hope it will. Because while America seems to think that I live in an stupid country, I actually care about America. But then, I never wanted to make enemies... unlike some.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    @DarthDimi thank you.
  • Posts: 7,507
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    This will be my last comment here: he was an armed Sheriff's Deputy assigned to that location to protect the school, the faculty, and the students.


    We won't miss you...

    I think that reaction was unnecessary and unwarranted. @RichardTheBruce just pointed out the facts, without further argument. No need to get personal, even though most of us wish there would be an arms ban instead of armed guards in the States.


    Maybe...

    But I think you asked for it with that dramatic proclamation. Turning this police office into a scapegoat is sickening to me! Regardless of how much you believe in it, I find supporting such an agenda provocative.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,120
    @DarthDimi Well said!

    Can I vote for you as next PM? ;)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited February 2018 Posts: 9,117
    jobo wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    This will be my last comment here: he was an armed Sheriff's Deputy assigned to that location to protect the school, the faculty, and the students.


    We won't miss you...

    I think that reaction was unnecessary and unwarranted. @RichardTheBruce just pointed out the facts, without further argument. No need to get personal, even though most of us wish there would be an arms ban instead of armed guards in the States.


    Maybe...

    But I think you asked for it with that dramatic proclamation. Turning this police office into a scapegoat is sickening to me! Regardless of how much you believe in it, I find supporting such an agenda provocative.

    I'm with @jobo . People turning on this poor guy for not acting like John McClane is pretty contemptible. If you have been in the middle of a situation like that and you killed or disarmed the attacker then I take my hat off to you (although strangely it never made the news?) and if you haven't you'd do better keeping it shut as you have no idea how you'd react in those terrifying few seconds.

    This guy will no doubt now be hounded to an early grave on Twitter by the gun lobby acolytes who are too thick to realise the irony that the more they publicise this poor sod freezing in the headlights the more they undermine their own proclamations that arming school staff is the solution.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Why do Americans insist it's common sense to think any old guy with a low salary and a uniform is Dick Tracy?
    Because the even older guy in the White House with a giant salary and an overlong tie is also a dick, even "bigly"?

    A giant salary?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,255
    Come on, how little can you be if you pick on someone who's already down and out? Trumps showing he's the biggest bully in the world..

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/trump-office-love-the-children/index.html
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Come on, how little can you be if you pick on someone who's already down and out? Trumps showing he's the biggest bully in the world..

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/trump-office-love-the-children/index.html

    So easy to criticise isn't it for all these armchair Andy Mcnabs including, dissappintingly, some members on here.
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