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Yep, the same Obama who signed two laws allowing people to bring guns into national parks and on Amtrak trains.
Of course, he had to try and get something through congress.........
He went for broke, something has got to be blamed. What a moron.
Hun?? Obama in fact has a Nobel Peace Prize. Trump will never get one. Especially after accelerating us towards a likely war between Israel and Iran.
It helped at Illinois High School last Wednesday, but of course the media has since buried that story:
http://time.com/5280242/illinois-armed-student-high-school-police-officer/
That's great, but wildly inconsistent. I feel like I read more stories about the armed guards/police officers failing to stop a shooting than ones that succeed in stopping one. Either way it's obvious that much, much more needs to be done, particularly when you're having, almost on average, numerous school shootings a week.
Same story on CNN:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
What do you mean 'has buried the story'? It's in all the 'Mainstream Media'. Oh wait, it's getting less attention because in Texas they didn't have a hero at hand to help stop the shooting, and 10 are dead. How thoughtless of them to die whilst others were saved!
Rarely will anyone who is armed stop a shooting. In most cases, they would/could stop it from escalating. But the perpetrator has the jump; and if the perp also knows where the guards tend to be, and knows where/how to best enter the school to take them out, we're back to square one.
Only in rare situations will guns keep you safe. If someone wants to shoot you, they'll do it. You won't have time to reach for your gun. And if you're the armed security, they'll know to take you out first. This is why arming teachers is a stupid and useless idea.
Because of course, Trump and his supporters are never aggressive or obnoxious. Or is it just that the Trumpistas have a pass on that sort of behavior, while Progressives have to be saintly at all times in order to have their voices be heard?
That means it CAN work... and history shows that it almost never does. So pointing this isolated case out is what for you? Wish fulfillment? ;)
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/19/us/texas-school-shooting-exits-trnd/index.html
@Escalus5 as far as I understand, one of the armed guards in this school was one of the victims. he survived but is seriously wounded.
I'm so Lucky not to live in the USA, to have been able to go to school without armed guards, without fear of schoolmates who were bullied to show up like rambo. It's amazing what gun control can do against paranoia, fear, etc.
I wouldn't bother mate. I bought this up before and was told I didn't understand and couldn't comment because I'm not an American. Maybe that's true, but every time something like this happens and the same conversations stop and start in the same way after, all I can think is I'm pretty glad I'm not.
You have mentally unstable people who feel alienated and angry. They manufacture a cause or belief - be it religion, political persuasion, catcher in the rye - and they have access to tools of destruction. Some will choose a truck, some explosives and many will choose assault rifles. The easier the access to these weapons in particular - the more people will be killed. Therefore if you have gun laws like the U.S do - then it is a calculated risk.
The school girl who said 'I thought it would happen here and it did' is everything you need to know. It is cultural - a country steeped in a history of violence that has a fetishisation of weapons not just as an interest but as a divine right. As part of the national identity.
I'm not surprised in the least that politicians attempt to side step the issue or run toward 'solutions' like arming high school teachers that cross from farcical into pure lunacy. Meanwhile the Texas governor blamed it on Internet and abortions. This will never change - it appears that the quickest way toward an armed insurrection or civil war would be by attempting to implement serious gun restrictions.
Or maybe, just maybe, we can say God doesn't really want every frustrated loser in the USA to kill a dozen or so people just because he can't get a date...and we can elect some politicians who are ready to stand up to felony weapons dealer Oliver North and his compadres in the NRA, and maybe then, at long last, we can actually work on getting some serious gun control done. Better late than never I suppose...
as so often, 'arrogance and self-awareness seldom go hand in hand'.
This is a horrible spin off from the gun issue: all Americans get branded the same.
If you're referring to the gun control controversy, that's not accurate. The majority is actually in favor of stricter gun laws:
http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/
I presume its the gun clubs and the majority of the South that makes it difficult for gun laws to be toughened up ?
Plus influential people,IIRC Charlton Heston was a big supporter of guns,and owned a gun club or something similar.
It's really the lobbying of the NRA in Congress.
Also, states having different gun laws.
So if the NRA etc. play their broken record "Guns don't kill, people do", they are in fact saying that U.S. Americans are inherently five times as murderous as the population of other first-world countries. Must be a genetical thing, I suppose.
Looking at firearm-related homicides, I don't find figures for 2015, but depending on the country in question, from one of the years between 2011 and 2016. For 2016, the U.S. stands at 4.62. Supposing the 2015 total homicide rate is unchanged (which I don't suppose will be exactly the case), it means that almost 95 per cent of all murders in the U.S. are committed with guns. Whereas in places like Germany and the UK, that rate of firearm-related homicides is around 0.06 or 0.07, meaning only about one in 13 or 15 murders is committed using a gun, meaning well over 90 per cent of killers do not use a firearm.
So you're continuing with this narrative? Read my posts.
Trust me: not all of us Americans are in the same boat regarding this gun debate, so we really needn't be grouped together. It's like assuming everybody on the other side of the pond was up for Brexit.
I read your posts, and I have no doubt that the majority is for gun control. I know too many reasonable Americans to believe otherwise. My point is, that majority should actually feel insulted as well and perhaps be induced to show more righteous indignation at the notion of "people do", than just be what appears to me a "silent" majority.
It shows how twisted the agenda is that the polls seem to ask question re tighter controls or banning assault weapons but almost total bans similar to the UK system are not even discussed. (I assume as its too radical a concept?)
Maybe the answer is a referendum? Set the threshold at 75% of the population having to vote to make it valid then the NRA’s small membership will not be able to shape the will of the rest of the population even if they get every single one of their voters out?
Actually, they aren't. The problem is that the not-so-sensible rural minority have more voting power than the sensible urban majority. California + New York (60 million people total) = 4 votes in the senate; Wyoming + Nebraska + North Dakota + South Dakota + Montana + Idaho (6 million total) = 12 votes. Until that problem is fixed through a Constitutional amendment of some sort, this country will continue to slide into the abyss.