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Totally impossible to say what will happen. I agree Mays days seem numbered but frankly who'd have guessed she'd last this long after her disastrous election fiasco. The Tories are deeply split and the last thing many of their MPs want is a leadership election. Don't be surprised if May somehow hangs on and gets some form of her Brexit deal through.
Equally she could be gone by the New Year!
I don't think we, as a nation, fully realise yet, the damage she has done.
I don't have anything against Labour per se. But not with Corbyn and his cronies at the helm. I shudder at the thought of them running the country.
So what are the Conservative alternatives? Gove? Rees-Mogg? Johnson(another shudder).
To be honest I blame this whole fiasco on David Cameron (and I voted for him). He and Osbourne would have been much tougher negotiators with the EU, but he threw his toys out of the pram when the Referendum didn't go his way, leaving people who aren't capable to pick up the pieces.
At least it's alternative not some watered down Tory Party like Tony suckered us all into back in 1997.
The oppostion should be just that and not a paler diet version of the other side of the house.
I know someone caring and wanting a fairer society, oh it makes me shudder to think of such a reality.
God....never never never put that creature in Government.
having said that, the list of candidates was pretty poor and that goes back to a longer term issue re lack of talent within the Commons
Where is a viable candidate,from ANY party ?
In all my years I have never known a weaker bunch of MP's across the board.
A lack of viable candidates, electoral pushing and pulling, effective standstills, inability to work out a good plan, ... Democracy clearly has a downside to it too.
Add to that, the media training and social media leverage that means that very few MPs actually say anything meaningful and have lost the abililty to actually connect with the voters. (similar to sports stars) This is reflected in the lack of great public speakers, just look at the dreadfully staged Party Conferences compared to the much more honest and dramatic conferences of the 80s.
It started with Blair who put more focus on presentation, spin and image rather than a true left wing philosophical commitment. Matching that, we have a shallow media who jump on any MP for saying anything slightly out of line or even wearing the wrong type of clothing.
That creature?
I wonder where you've formed your opinion of the man but if you'd rather have the Tories in power than him tells me what I need to know.
Either you've fallen for all the BS the media say about Corbyn or you really don't care much about a good percentage of the country have had to live through the crippling policies of this government.
There's too much bias on this site to the right for my liking, Corbyn could do no worse than the Bullingdon set and Mayhem have done to this country.
Definitely time for a change.
You know me so well.
Your insight into my psyche is frightening.
@barryt007 put it perfectly with this:
Most of the prominent politicians are more like caricatures of politicians.
Yes, a Red historian, certainly. Totally unbiased then, on both a future leadership contest and the EU Referedum result I see. Perhaps he forgets that Winston Churchill took over at a time of even greater national crisis when there was no leadership contest at all within the Tory Party. As I seem to recall, that didn't work out too badly at all for the future of the country at large...
The current system being so derided didn't come into force until the Douglas-Home Rules of 1965 following disquiet in the Party and among the electorate with how the "Magic Circle" chose Lord Home as leader in November 1963 and therefore both the Tory party leader and prime minister.
Anyway, it's all most likely academic by this stage as I expect May will win the confidence vote tonight. Such a change of leadership also applies to Labour who made James Callaghan the prime minister in 1976 after Harold Wilson stood down. The electorate also had no choice on that occasion, something our Red historian conveniently omits to mention!
But that is just me thinking and not trusting any politician.
The EU election system is a brilliant compromise of those two opposing forces, and as democratic as it can get under the circumstances. Yes, I would like to have a simple majority system, but can you imagine it without safeguards for the smaller member states against being overruled by the big ones? No way.
But of course feel free to get out. Just don't expect to be able to pick any further cherries after the EU made the mistake of giving Maggie Thatcher "her money back". I'd truly be delighted if everything works out fine for both sides, but don't blame the EU if it doesn't.
The EU recently said Britain could change their mind, cancel this. Is that correct?
Because it does seem to me that another vote is the only genuinely fair thing to do - due to so many lies and corruption/manipulation that were done with the first referendum. It shouldn't count. If people voted one way because they had incorrect information, were lied to (not just one or two small points), it matters. It does not seem that Brexit now is genuinely "the will of the people" at all. So I am asking my UK friends to say more about possibilities that are real as of today. I'd appreciate it.
A third referendum or as many as it takes until the Remainers get the outcome they want? That doesn't sound like true democracy to me. It's more like Mob Rule in fact, only being democrats when you get the outcome you want.
I think you mean the EU.
The problem is, where does it end? Will we get a third, fourth or even fifth? Would we consistently need another vote if enough people didn't like the results of general elections?
I voted to leave and would so again in a second referendum. I would rather stay and have the UK push for reforms in the EU, but without the backing of France and Germany, who seem quite happy with the Status Quo, nothing will change.
"I don't think anyone really understood the what's/how's and when's of it all."
So over 33 1/2 million voted and nobody understood ? Not one or two people? How can anyone make such a claim?
@Roadphill If remain had won by 2%, would you honestly be calling for a second vote ? Or would that somehow show that the voters did understand the issues? And how will we know that an ignorant batch of voters (it only takes a couple of percent) will give the wrong result again? Perhaps a third or fourth vote until we get the result that a truely educated electorate would choose?
Respecting the will of the majority does not have a caveat - "as long as they agree with me"
I was, and still am a leaver @patb If you had read my post correctly you would no that. Also I simply said I understand the calls for a second referendum, but don't agree with them.