Talking about being Politically Correct !

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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    *in the voice of Richard O'Brien* "Would you start the witch hunt, please."

    Chortle.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    whether the allegations were true or not.
    Oh they would be true! ;)
    Bond is a consensual lover, however, with very few exceptions to be argued, hence my mention of women fabricating claims against him in revenge for him not sticking with them, etc. After all, though he was a bastard for what he did to Solitaire, Moore's Bond was later the one who offered to give little Bibi ice cream and no other kind of dessert, if you catch my meaning. Call it rubbish and inconsistent writing, but Bond isn't a creep and for every questionable moment there's a dozen fresh interactions with women that redeem him, basically. ;)

    Though I think it's also important to note all the times Bond is injured by a woman, whether that's by being slapped, punched, kicked or being shot at for a more lethal example. There's a double-standard where women can't abuse men, but Bond often takes it and doesn't give it back and that is never talked about as much as the small number of times Bond gets physical.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 4,617
    Whilst not a fan of the ex Defence Secretary, his observation that standards have changed is fair enough. One of the consequences of Bond being such a long running and popular franchise is that it does provide a very interesting look back at what was acceptable during certain era's. Perhaps it's unique in this? They are purely a reflection of the audiences own values. So, for example, re Bond and Pussy, it's not what Bond does during the movie which is interesting IMHO. It's the fact that this was seen as aceptable at the time and the viewing public did not seem to care one jot (we know those scenes would not be included now).

    It's also interesting to watch some of the Carry on Movies as many of them include multiple sexual assualts and, as with Bond, they were seen as hilarious at the time and are still repeated on mainstream TV with many viewers in the present era finding this behavior equally hilarious. Babs Windsor is regarded as a national treasure but I would have preferred it if she had punched Sid James's lights out but I'm from a different era.

    Don't get me wrong, I would never ban such movies. They are fantastic windows on previous versions of our culture . It makes you wonder how future generations will view our current output? what will they wince at? Agism perhaps

    On a wider note, I hate the term "politically correct" and it tends to be used by those who resist change. I tend to think of it as a move for greater mutual respect and understanding. Not much wrong in that?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    patb wrote: »
    It makes you wonder how future generations will view our current output? what will they wince at?

    SP's third act a strong contender.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    patb wrote: »
    On a wider note, I hate the term "politically correct" and it tends to be used by those who resist change. I tend to think of it as a move for greater mutual respect and understanding. Not much wrong in that?
    I see the term used far more often by those who simply don't want every little micro-thought of theirs to be ridiculed as some variation of sexist, racist or bigoted by someone who is looking for something to be offended by.

    We obviously all want more respect and equality in the world (if you don't you shouldn't be here) and the apologists never seem to get that. What they still don't seem to perceive is how, in a rush to reach equality, many in the outrage happy PC cult (basically, the radical versions of true egalitarian warriors) are quick to jump down everyone's throat for every word or action they make and essentially suggest censorship of thought in their misguided responses to what are usually jokes or thoughts posed in jest instead of deeply held feelings of hate or resentment.

    For those of us in the art world, be that writing, film, exhibition, performance or music and more, one of the fundamental enemies to us is a lack of expression or a threat to that expression. We now live in a time when people want to ban movies or books because they don't like their content or how the villain is portrayed, completely missing the point of art. If you can't make a villain a villain, for example, or make them unlikable to facilitate their villainy, what exactly is the point? In the same token, any expression in art should be allowed because it's art that reveals to us things we don't at first see below the surface. Art can house anyone and anything, any kind of person good or bad and any narrative or circumstance. The minute you try to reign in art and tell artists what they can and can't do, you're playing with fire. And those that do so have a serious misunderstanding of what art should be and couldn't get it if they tried. Like a bean counter being given the reigns of a gigantic creative enterprise, their view of the world and their qualities are ill suited to the job.
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    Fair points and basically agree but, as an artist, if you want your art to sell and be widely apprecaited, then the values portrayed within your art have to broadly reflect the current values held within the wider community. If someone wants to make another Carry on movie, they have every right to but it wont sell and the critics would hammer it (as they have every right to), on that basis, the potential finanacial backers would not touch it with a barge pole, and therefore, you have a form of censorship in terms of the market deciding what it wants and what it doesn't want.

    Arguing against this, you have producers and the media who are over sensitive and decide on behalf of the mainstream what is acceptable. They also over represent the sensitivities of certain minorities. Dave Allen is a perfect example. I dont think his material would be made and broadcast today re the way he took the micky out of the Catholic church and yet, if you look at the way religion is declining etc, there is a strong argument to be made that his work was actrually ahead of its time.

    There is a an ellement of "hypersensitiveilty" within the media and they wont touch certain topics.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @patb, I'd say that's only partially relevant, actually, ie. the censorship issue. You're only focusing on movies, but if you have something to say in any medium it's never possible for someone to stop you from saying it. There's private publishing or agents who will take greater risks on writing, in film there's private funding through Kickstarer or Indiegogo that cut out the middle man of the larger film industry or even big companies like Netflix who will chase new and interesting content and give it a home. In the art world the more challenging and controversial paintings or works of art are probably going to be the most sought after and talked about, as they have been in the modern art period with its dada and surrealist pieces or even futurism content.

    I've seen challenging pieces of filmmaking, writing or even stand-up that could not have been created in any other time but today's, so for me that's a big showing of just how capable art can be of fighting this stupid censorship issue. We've got content that focuses on LGBT life, suicide and other mental illness, the conspiracy behind religion and faith, political pieces and more that challenge what stories we can be told and what their content is. Some of these are backed by studios or big investors, but some could also be the result of private funding like indie films where the consumer supports a narrative they want delivered.

    The great thing about art is that, in this day and age when censorship could be an issue, the mediums that make it up are far better suited than most to stand up to the outrage. Art has always been challenging and its always confronted people with issues or ideas that are uncomfortable. Its mission statement and overall purpose should never change, nor should it ever have to.

    I just hope people understand what they're doing when they get on these crusades for banning books or films. Harry Potter of all things, is a famously banned series, and for what reason? Not because the books depict rape, or because they are sympathetic to racist values or anything. And that's part of my issue with these concerns of censorship: those wanting to ban things pick the most innocuous content to raise a censorship campaign against, and select books or shows or films that are actually helping the cultures of the world instead of hurting them. It's nonsensical, but that is who these people are.

    If these PC brigadiers actually wanted to change the world for the better they'd quit trying to ban Harry Potter and The Sleeping Beauty and instead help out actual people in the real world from all over the globe who are facing real oppression, slavery of the body or spirit, hunger, poverty and war. But they aren't, of course, because it's apparently a better use of their time to rally against fictional characters and whine about murals or illustrations on the backs of cereal boxes instead.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 4,617
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

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    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    @patb, believe me, we agree wholeheartedly on this bonkers idea of the more radical PC folks. Part of my whole rally against them is based off their very disingenuous or simply outright laughable outrage at particular things.

    My new favorite are the faux feminists of Hollywood who knew about Weinstein's dirty dealings and mistreatment of women in accordance with the model of patriarchy they all say they are working restlessly to stop, but of course they kept their traps shut to keep their jobs instead of having actual principles.

    As for that e-mail, yikes. I've seen concerns waived about those kinds of things before, where programs like affirmative action have outlived their time such that those who are white are more disadvantaged for a fair shake than those who those kinds of opportunities were created for at the very beginning. We need to reset now to a state where, since the racist and sexist official and silent rulings and blockades of the past are being decimated in the work force, people are simply hired for a job because they're the best choice for it and not because they hit the lottery and came out of their mother with a tan.
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    Nope,and there lies part of the problem.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @TheWizardOfIce, @barryt007, well boys, we all know that you can never be racist towards a white person, right? Right? 8-|
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    @TheWizardOfIce, @barryt007, well boys, we all know that you can never be racist towards a white person, right? Right? 8-|

    I know...perish the thought.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    barryt007 wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce, @barryt007, well boys, we all know that you can never be racist towards a white person, right? Right? 8-|

    I know...perish the thought.
    We're just sooooooo privileged. We don't have to work for a living like everyone else, we get a free golden ticket to heaven if we're pale enough coming out of the womb, and we never, ever have to lift a finger to do anything of our own because money is just wheeled to our doors, alongside buckets and buckets of gold. And we certainly never face rejection, discrimination or hate speak, oh no. Those things are reserved for those with more of a tan that us. *coughing out my liver*
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    barryt007 wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce, @barryt007, well boys, we all know that you can never be racist towards a white person, right? Right? 8-|

    I know...perish the thought.
    We're just sooooooo privileged. We don't have to work for a living like everyone else, we get a free golden ticket to heaven if we're pale enough coming out of the womb, and we never, ever have to lift a finger to do anything of our own because money is just wheeled to our doors, alongside buckets and buckets of gold. And we certainly never face rejection, discrimination or hate speak, oh no. Those things are reserved for those with more of a tan that us. *coughing out my liver*

    I think it's fair enough mate.

    I need to atone for the crimes perpetuated by my forefathers.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    barryt007 wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce, @barryt007, well boys, we all know that you can never be racist towards a white person, right? Right? 8-|

    I know...perish the thought.
    We're just sooooooo privileged. We don't have to work for a living like everyone else, we get a free golden ticket to heaven if we're pale enough coming out of the womb, and we never, ever have to lift a finger to do anything of our own because money is just wheeled to our doors, alongside buckets and buckets of gold. And we certainly never face rejection, discrimination or hate speak, oh no. Those things are reserved for those with more of a tan that us. *coughing out my liver*

    I think it's fair enough mate.

    I need to atone for the crimes perpetuated by my forefathers.

    True, @TheWizardOfIce, very true. It's only logical that if your great, great, great, great, great grandfather once shot a man in the street you should by all accounts serve a sentence in prison for the crime for sharing his blood. It's only fair.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    I want to make clear that I am in no way a racist. I have several friends from inferior races.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    I want to make clear that I am in no way a racist. I have several friends from inferior races.

    It's not racist if you hate everyone equally!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    I want to make clear that I am in no way a racist. I have several friends from inferior races.

    It's not racist if you hate everyone equally!

    That's certainly my motto. One thing you can't fault misanthropes for: everyone gets equal disgust.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,976
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    I want to make clear that I am in no way a racist. I have several friends from inferior races.

    It's not racist if you hate everyone equally!

    That's certainly my motto. One thing you can't fault misanthropes for: everyone gets equal disgust.

    Right there with you. Can't play favorites when it comes to disgust!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    I want to make clear that I am in no way a racist. I have several friends from inferior races.

    It's not racist if you hate everyone equally!

    Fair point. I hate 98% of white people.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    I'm at about 99% by most estimates. I would've put 98%, but I added a percent point to account for my own self-loathing and self-racism. The one percent left over is saved for the handful of whiteys I've been able to tolerate in my life, including my parents and a few friends. We're basically an unsalvageable race.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    You're surprised at this?

    It happens at TfL all the time.

    I'm surprised its so blatant and actually written rather than word of mouth.

    No one going to risk their pension by challenging it and being called racist are they?

    I want to make clear that I am in no way a racist. I have several friends from inferior races.

    It's not racist if you hate everyone equally!

    That's certainly my motto. One thing you can't fault misanthropes for: everyone gets equal disgust.

    Right there with you. Can't play favorites when it comes to disgust!

    That's me...I hate the human race basically...horrible,depraved,nasty,sneaky,untrustworthy breed.

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    barryt007 wrote: »
    patb wrote: »
    Again, all fair, BUT be careful that your buttons (and the rest of us) are being pushed by those who are exploiting the PC trend purely for their own gains. Take the Sleeping Beauty story as an example: 10 mins of research shows that she (mum of two) left a comment in her sons record book and contacted the school directly. These are both private matters and the school could not talk about this. So its the Mum who has gone to the media with a non story? why? well, there is a Sarah Hall (mum of 2) consulting who specialises in PR and how woman are portrayed in the media etc who lives in Newcastle. Its pretty obvious that she has created a non story and the non PC brigade take it hook, line and sinker.

    Now if you want a genuine example of pure bonkers, a friend emailed this over 2 mins ago: (my italix)

    Reference: 63564

    Date Added: 21 November 2017
    Closing Date: 4 December 2017

    Job Title: Trainee Broadcast Journalist

    Working For: BBC

    Location: London

    Salary: London living wage - £10.20 per hour

    Job Details

    12 month opportunity for budding news junkies to gain hands on experience at a national and international level with the iconic BBC World Service.

    This internship is only open to candidates from a black, Asian or non-white ethnic minority background.

    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=63564

    Wow,how openly racist and discriminate is this ?!

    It's the BBC, why would anyone be surprised? The beeb does love diversity. I wonder if Auntie ever forced Jimmy Saville to be more diverse when picking his victims.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, here is something that'll cause you to question the future of humanity even more, as I know you like Craig Ferguson.

    https://uk.yahoo.com/style/meghan-markles-creepy-interview-male-talk-show-host-resurfaces-100102029.html
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    @royale65, funny you should post something like this. Just a few days ago I was quietly wondering how the PC brigade would react if Craig were still on late night TV, as he always had a very playful and naughty interview style that requires a sense of humor to enjoy. As we can see, they have an issue with it.

    Here's the full interview from start to finish, in full context:


    The band-aid brigade may find it creepy, but the lovely Ms. Markle doesn't seem to be offended, belittled or harassed by Craig's style, and as is the case with all the female guests I've seen, she gets in on the innuendos herself and playfully creates a rapport with him. Craig can be cheeky, whip out double-entendres and flirt, of course, but I've never seen a female guest who looked uncomfortable in his presence and I was and still am a devout lover of his late night show. Some of the best interviews were those where the women were actually flirting with him and gave him permission to go into double-entendres with their own innuendos to kick off the discussion. It was always a two-sided thing, with Craig and the woman having some fun as opposed to the view that Craig made these women objects of his desire for an 8 minute interview where he used them or bombarded them with sexist remarks. Ms. Markle then fits the general rule of the show and how Craig interview, basically where she not only had a sense of humor and played the game with him, but also got into it herself. In short, two consenting adults, if we to look at this metaphorically.

    I also don't appreciate the view that Craig's show was only there as a vessel for his "sexist" antics. Some of my favorite moments in late night history are from Craig's program, where he'd stop the show to talk about a tragedy in the world in a long monologue, or the lovely tributes he held for his mother and father when they each passed away where he shared childhood memories to eulogize them. Perhaps most powerful was when he'd stop and talk about his addiction and urge other people to fix what was wrong in their lives, detailing his suicide attempt and how he got off the bottle to sobriety and a better life.

    Craig is one of the funniest people I know, but as with a lot of funny people his life has dark spots in it that show he is just as capable of discussing the hard issues as he is playing around and entertaining. I've watched every late night host ever and I've never seen a host do all the things Craig did. One night he could be doing comedy bits with puppets, a robot and dancing horse, but another night he could be discussing Calvinism and whether humans have free will with Alice Eve (this actually happened) or on another night he'd stop and give his earnest impressions about the world and an important event that'd impacted it that week. Most late night show hosts keep their shows very simple with the only goal being a very formulaic and structured pattern of entertainment with little spontaneity that also made it impossible for the host to be more than the "face" of that brand, but Craig's show was always off the cuff, always riding chaos to be something it wasn't the night before and his ability to brush off what was expected of him and his show as a late night program was perhaps his greatest strength. And while other hosts were their avatars and played to their personas, Craig tore down the entertainer front he had constantly to let his real thoughts and viewpoints or experiences in. The audience flocked to him not only because he was hilarious, but because he was the real deal. After all, this is the man who would openly insult or poke fun at a company that he didn't even know was his show's sponsor. That was just how he was, and it was glorious. He always felt like one of us and still does.


    I can only assume that the PC brigade are having a slow week of being outraged over everything, considering they had to dig up a 4 year old interview and feed the lie that Markle was actively uncomfortable with being there to suit their current agenda.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,008
    patb wrote: »
    It's not co-incidence. They are using the same "norms and values" and perceive that most of their customers share these. People who notice and make a cold analysis of their tactics are not their target audience. How the hell to you advertise to an educated, analytical customer base? Impossible. Stick to puppies and kittens and you won't go far wrong. Advertising is a horrible business IMHO
    PS way off topic but the SKY Cinema advert is the bext Xmas advert IMHO

    Oh and now 'Apple' have a 'mixed race' couple in their xmas ad. And yet again its a black male and white female. The fourth xmas ad this year to do so...coincidence I'm sure :)
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