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  • edited October 2018 Posts: 7,507
    @SaintMark I think we have been through this many times before regarding Bond movies. Being commercialy succesfull is not an end all argument regarding quality. You in particular would agree with that if I mention Skyfall...

    Cameron is commercialism personified. He knows what emotional boxes to tick with the audience and churns out soulless, hollow blockbusters. His films are the cinema equivalents to McDonalds, Coca Cola, Starbucks etc. Wildly succesfull brands around the world. However, if you are really into good food, drink and coffee, you actively avoid them as much as possible!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Gravity was a terrible over hyped movie. I was bored the whole time.

    I thought it was surprisingly thrilling and well made.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 377
    jobo wrote: »
    Certainly controversial to call James Cameron overrated. Surely on of the best action directors in the history of cinema.

    I agree on Titanic being a silly overblown effort. But I really like Avatar for all its unoriginal plot shenanigans, it's still a stunning film.

    But no one can argue against The Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings.

    I also love The Abyss and True Lies although they do have faults.


    No one can argue?? I certainly could!

    - "Surely one of the best action directors in the history of cinema"

    That one made me laugh! ;))

    Oh? Then who are the best action directors?
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,589
    Mack_Bolan wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Certainly controversial to call James Cameron overrated. Surely on of the best action directors in the history of cinema.

    I agree on Titanic being a silly overblown effort. But I really like Avatar for all its unoriginal plot shenanigans, it's still a stunning film.

    But no one can argue against The Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings.

    I also love The Abyss and True Lies although they do have faults.


    No one can argue?? I certainly could!

    - "Surely one of the best action directors in the history of cinema"

    That one made me laugh! ;))

    Oh? Then who are the best action directors?

    Michael Bay and Rob Cohen
  • Posts: 7,653
    jobo wrote: »
    @SaintMark I think we have been through this many times before regarding Bond movies. Being commercially successful is not an end all argument regarding quality. You in particular would agree with that if I mention Skyfall...

    Cameron is commercialism personified. He knows what emotional boxes to tick with the audience and churns out soulless, hollow blockbusters. His films are the cinema equivalents to McDonald, Coca Cola, Starbucks etc. Wildly successful brands around the world. However, if you are really into good food, drink and coffee, you actively avoid them as much as possible!

    Commercially he does know how to tick the boxes, but he has with his last two movies been able to tick that elusive box that draws men and women to the cinema, that is something not many successful directors have been able to do, at least twice in a row.

    But for me Cameron is indeed a cinema spectacle that is best enjoyed in cinema. His track record speaks for itself and his movies do make sense, which can hardly be said about SF or SP. Cameron never makes a movie to get oscars but to fill the seats in a cinema.

    And he made some of the best action movies that today are being enjoyed and recognized for their quality and originality. So to call Cameron overrated is rather stupid and shortsighted.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited October 2018 Posts: 4,007
    Oh? Then who are the best action directors?[/quote]

    Michael Bay and Rob Cohen[/quote]

    LOL!!!!! Better than James Cameron???? Surely you jest!

    The chase along the flood channels in T2 is better than all those two's action sequences put together!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited October 2018 Posts: 4,007
    jobo wrote: »
    Certainly controversial to call James Cameron overrated. Surely on of the best action directors in the history of cinema.

    I agree on Titanic being a silly overblown effort. But I really like Avatar for all its unoriginal plot shenanigans, it's still a stunning film.

    But no one can argue against The Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings.

    I also love The Abyss and True Lies although they do have faults.


    No one can argue?? I certainly could!

    - "Surely one of the best action directors in the history of cinema"

    That one made me laugh! ;))

    Name me a better action director. And if it's Michael Bay then please do jog on.

    And if you can argue against Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings then i'm all ears.
  • Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    Certainly controversial to call James Cameron overrated. Surely on of the best action directors in the history of cinema.

    I agree on Titanic being a silly overblown effort. But I really like Avatar for all its unoriginal plot shenanigans, it's still a stunning film.

    But no one can argue against The Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings.

    I also love The Abyss and True Lies although they do have faults.


    No one can argue?? I certainly could!

    - "Surely one of the best action directors in the history of cinema"

    That one made me laugh! ;))

    Name me a better action director. And if it's Michael Bay then do please jog on.


    Quentin Tarantino, J. J. Abrams, John Woo, George Miller, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott are the first names that pop up in my head. I could go on, but I don't really see the point. Lets throw Spielberg in there too, even if this all started with me claiming he was overrated. I'd take him every day over Cameron...
  • J.J. Abrams? That made me laugh.
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    QT made me laugh, his characters would talk any action scene to death.

    Ridley Scott is not that known for his action scenes or action movies.

    Jobo you idea of action must be rather tranquil.

    If you at least mentioned a John Frankenheimer who made Ronin I would say you mentioned somebody who can do an action scene. ;)
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    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.
  • Posts: 7,507
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 17,756
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)
  • Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)
  • Posts: 17,756
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,007
    Mack_Bolan wrote: »
    J.J. Abrams? That made me laugh.

    So did John Woo....
  • Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.
  • Posts: 17,756
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!
  • Posts: 7,653
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 7,507
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,007
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Certainly controversial to call James Cameron overrated. Surely on of the best action directors in the history of cinema.

    I agree on Titanic being a silly overblown effort. But I really like Avatar for all its unoriginal plot shenanigans, it's still a stunning film.

    But no one can argue against The Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings.

    I also love The Abyss and True Lies although they do have faults.


    No one can argue?? I certainly could!

    - "Surely one of the best action directors in the history of cinema"

    That one made me laugh! ;))

    Name me a better action director. And if it's Michael Bay then do please jog on.


    Quentin Tarantino, J. J. Abrams, John Woo, George Miller, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott are the first names that pop up in my head. I could go on, but I don't really see the point. Lets throw Spielberg in there too, even if this all started with me claiming he was overrated. I'd take him every day over Cameron...

    George Miller may come close, but the rest of those aren't specifically known as action director's. Apart from John Woo of course who's action is too OTT to be taken seriously.

    In the action stakes Cameron is king.

    At least you didn't list Michael Bay....
  • Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    Certainly controversial to call James Cameron overrated. Surely on of the best action directors in the history of cinema.

    I agree on Titanic being a silly overblown effort. But I really like Avatar for all its unoriginal plot shenanigans, it's still a stunning film.

    But no one can argue against The Terminator, T2 and Aliens being brilliant offerings.

    I also love The Abyss and True Lies although they do have faults.


    No one can argue?? I certainly could!

    - "Surely one of the best action directors in the history of cinema"

    That one made me laugh! ;))

    Name me a better action director. And if it's Michael Bay then do please jog on.


    Quentin Tarantino, J. J. Abrams, John Woo, George Miller, Peter Jackson, Ridley Scott are the first names that pop up in my head. I could go on, but I don't really see the point. Lets throw Spielberg in there too, even if this all started with me claiming he was overrated. I'd take him every day over Cameron...

    George Miller may come close, but the rest of those aren't specifically known as action director's. Apart from John Woo of course who's action is too OTT to be taken seriously.

    In the action stakes Cameron is king.

    At least you didn't list Michael Bay....


    Sorry, I thought we were rating the ability to direct an action scene, not how many action scenes you can cramp into a film... my bad.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 17,756
    jobo wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...

    Sorry, mods!
    _____________________
    I agree about Tarantino's work with action sequences. They are always very enjoyable. I also enjoy Guy Ritchie's action sequences. That should be controversial enough for some!
  • Posts: 7,507
    jobo wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...

    Sorry, mods!
    _____________________
    I agree about Tarantino's work with action sequences. They are always very enjoyable. I also enjoy Guy Ritchie's action sequences. That should be controversial enough for some!

    Unfortunately his action scenes don't last 40 minutes to an hour, so they are not heavy enough for some of the junkies on here...
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 17,756
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...

    Sorry, mods!
    _____________________
    I agree about Tarantino's work with action sequences. They are always very enjoyable. I also enjoy Guy Ritchie's action sequences. That should be controversial enough for some!

    Unfortunately his action scenes don't last 40 minutes to an hour, so they are not heavy enough for some of the junkies on here...

    Reminds me of when I watched Inglourious Basterds at the theatre, and a group of people left midway through the film because of "all the talking".
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...

    Sorry, mods!
    _____________________
    I agree about Tarantino's work with action sequences. They are always very enjoyable. I also enjoy Guy Ritchie's action sequences. That should be controversial enough for some!

    Unfortunately his action scenes don't last 40 minutes to an hour, so they are not heavy enough for some of the junkies on here...

    Reminds me of when I watched Inglourious Basterds at the theatre, and a group of people left midway through the film because of "all the talking".

    The ADHD generation: too much sugar, too many soundbites, click-bait, tweets; self-absorption and entitled gratification. No focus.
  • Posts: 1,917
    peter wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...

    Sorry, mods!
    _____________________
    I agree about Tarantino's work with action sequences. They are always very enjoyable. I also enjoy Guy Ritchie's action sequences. That should be controversial enough for some!

    Unfortunately his action scenes don't last 40 minutes to an hour, so they are not heavy enough for some of the junkies on here...

    Reminds me of when I watched Inglourious Basterds at the theatre, and a group of people left midway through the film because of "all the talking".

    The ADHD generation: too much sugar, too many soundbites, click-bait, tweets; self-absorption and entitled gratification. No focus.

    I'm having a vision of an A Clockwork Orange variation by sitting them in theater seats with their eyes pushed open by clips to watch something like 2001: A Space Odyssey or about any other plot-driven film that requires viewing and not waiting for the next thrill.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    BT3366 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I've never particularly enjoyed the Terminator films. Might be a genre thing, but still.


    The only reason that film exists is so we can make parodies of it an silly references in comedies and cartoons ;)

    It's films that screams silly references. Not that there's anything wrong with that though. :)

    I agree with that. But the films are in all honesty mostly remembered for Arnold's German accent... ;)

    Austrian! :D

    It's the same language... I have never met an Austrian who says he speaks Austrian. German is what they speak.

    I'm not a German expert, but aren't there some differences between the Austrian and German accents? Not that it's necessarily noticeable when talking English, only with an accent, of course!

    Of course there is a difference in the language it is Austrian German like Schweitzerdeutch is something else too.

    The Terminator is and remains an icon character, especially played by Arnold.

    Just like bavarian German is different... it is basically a dialect.

    But we are moving off topic...

    Sorry, mods!
    _____________________
    I agree about Tarantino's work with action sequences. They are always very enjoyable. I also enjoy Guy Ritchie's action sequences. That should be controversial enough for some!

    Unfortunately his action scenes don't last 40 minutes to an hour, so they are not heavy enough for some of the junkies on here...

    Reminds me of when I watched Inglourious Basterds at the theatre, and a group of people left midway through the film because of "all the talking".

    The ADHD generation: too much sugar, too many soundbites, click-bait, tweets; self-absorption and entitled gratification. No focus.

    I'm having a vision of an A Clockwork Orange variation by sitting them in theater seats with their eyes pushed open by clips to watch something like 2001: A Space Odyssey or about any other plot-driven film that requires viewing and not waiting for the next thrill.

    Their heads will explode.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited October 2018 Posts: 4,636
    Today's audiences are too use to the Marvel Cinematic Universe style of things. Poor villains, commercials for each other, mostly forgotten within a few minutes after watching.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 7,507
    Lets not pretend it is only a generational thing. I have encountered people in their 50s claim Tarantino´s films are not action packed enough for them. Not least on this very thread...
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