Controversial opinions about other movies

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  • edited August 2020 Posts: 1,009
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My 10 Favorite Walt Disney Animation Studios:

    1) 101 Dalmatians.
    2) The Fox and the Hound.
    3) Aladdin.
    4) The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
    5) The Emperor's New Groove.
    6) Pinocchio.
    7) Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
    8) The Lion King.
    9) Beauty and the Beast.
    10) The Little Mermaid.

    Honorable Mentions: The Jungle Book, The Rescuers, The Rescuers Down Under, Wreck-It Ralph, Zootopia.

    What's controversial is that The Lion King is ranked so low.

    Necroposting: Lion King is not even a Top 10 Disney film for me.

    Wow, to two things: finding my original post, and saying that about Lion King! A lot of people from my generation grew up on that movie. I’m in my 20s, but I agree with that now, as it is arguably a ripoff.

    It's basically Osamu Tezuka's Jungle Taitei (aka Jungle Emperor Leo or Kimba the White Lion), which I think is in turn the most overrated work of Tezuka (I'm a HUGE fan of his, and I have been mantaining this since I first seriously started to read and collect his works back in my early twenties) combined with Hamlet and Bambi.
    It's not a bad movie. AT ALL. I actually like The Lion King and I think it surpasses the whole 3 volumes of Jungle Taitei in only 90 minutes. But I just don't find it that of sheer perfection many regard this film as. (I just woke up: I hope this last sentence makes sense gramatically).
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Saoirse Ronan is Jennifer Lawrence done right. She is truly talented, doesn’t have controversy following her opinions and everywhere she goes. She doesn’t feel spoiled rotten, isn’t “me, me, me” in every interview she does. If it wasn’t for Harvey Weinstein and David O’Russell sleeping with her, J-Law and her career would be nothing, which it seems like it just might be in the near future. She got too big too fast, and made quite a few enemies along the way. Saoirse Ronan is enjoyable and seems more likable as a actress and more importantly, a person.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    A general thought.

    I've heard many times that people tend to judge a film badly because they fell asleep. While that might be indicative of being bored, you can also be very tired.

    I have fallen asleep quite a few times while watching a favourite (Bond) movie, that's just something that can happen once in a while. Doesn't mean the film is boring.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    A general thought.

    I've heard many times that people tend to judge a film badly because they fell asleep. While that might be indicative of being bored, you can also be very tired.

    I have fallen asleep quite a few times while watching a favourite (Bond) movie, that's just something that can happen once in a while. Doesn't mean the film is boring.

    I've fallen asleep once in the cinema. The film was Ace Venture: When Nature Calls. It was awful but i just couldn't be bothered to get up and leave, so sleep took over!

    I tend never to watch a film if i'm tired.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I have fallen asleep in the cinema more than once, including during my first view of FRWL.
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    Never fallen asleep at a theater. I have fallen asleep to movies at home, but it's been a really long time; I almost always will switch it off before I actually go to sleep if I'm really too tired. Even when I'm suffering through a really bad film, I feel this obligation to see the whole thing out every single time. Been tempted to switch off many, but I stick it out. It's probably not good for me sometimes!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I have fallen asleep in the cinema more than once, including during my first view of FRWL.

    Sacriledge!!!

    One film i do wish i'd slept through was the arsenumbingly awful, Alexander
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Never fallen asleep at a theater. I have fallen asleep to movies at home, but it's been a really long time; I almost always will switch it off before I actually go to sleep if I'm really too tired. Even when I'm suffering through a really bad film, I feel this obligation to see the whole thing out every single time. Been tempted to switch off many, but I stick it out. It's probably not good for me sometimes!

    I used to be like that, but not anymore. I will cut out a film or series whenever I feel all hope is lost of enjoying it. It could be 20 minutes in, or 20 minutes before the end or whatever.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    edited August 2020 Posts: 4,575
    I fell asleep in the theater during the first Lord of the rings and Hunger Games Catching Fire
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    A general thought.

    I've heard many times that people tend to judge a film badly because they fell asleep. While that might be indicative of being bored, you can also be very tired.

    I have fallen asleep quite a few times while watching a favourite (Bond) movie, that's just something that can happen once in a while. Doesn't mean the film is boring.

    I've fallen asleep once in the cinema. The film was Ace Venture: When Nature Calls. It was awful but i just couldn't be bothered to get up and leave, so sleep took over!

    I tend never to watch a film if i'm tired.

    Only time i fell asleep during a movie was 'Air America' nothing to do with the film (though its not great!) Its just the cinema had the heating up too high!!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I have fallen asleep in the cinema more than once, including during my first view of FRWL.

    Sacriledge!!!

    One film i do wish i'd slept through was the arsenumbingly awful, Alexander

    Well now that we're in this thread anyway, that's one of my favourite films.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I have fallen asleep in the cinema more than once, including during my first view of FRWL.

    Sacriledge!!!

    One film i do wish i'd slept through was the arsenumbingly awful, Alexander

    Well now that we're in this thread anyway, that's one of my favourite films.

    Ouch! :-S I do enjoy the soundtrack by Vangelis though....
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    I don't know if this is controversial, but just a strong feeling. Last night I watched Rocketman for the third time and it again confirmed how much more I like it as opposed to Bohemian Rhapsody. Rocketman really got shafted in terms of awards and critical recognition I think in the wake of the glowing reception Bohemian Rhapsody got. Taron Egerton did at least as well as Rami Malek.

    What I liked about Rocketman was the way it incorporated the hits into fantasy type sequences rather than just the scenes of the greatest hits coming together in the studio and these played directly into the story, reflecting what was going on in Elton's life at that point. It had the energy of a live musical.

    Like any film, there were liberties and poetic license in both. There were a lot of parallels with unknown but talented people who meet the right musical partners, get huge, fight for their art, pick the wrong people, family issues, giving in to substance and alcohol abuse, an overall yearning to be loved, etc.

    One of the things about Bohemian Rhapsody was all over the place with its timing and situations. It played too fast and loose with the story and that brought it down. I still think it's a good film and great at reproducing what made Queen special, but so much about it just seemed tailored to fit the story easier if not make it better.

    I do hope Rocketman's reputation continues to lift over the years as it hasn't lost any entertainment value since the time I first viewed it.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I have just read John Milius's original script for Apocalypse Now and i have to say, i much prefer the scripts ending to the film version.
    In the screenplay when Willard finds Kurtz, Kurtz is ill and suffering from a serious stomach wound. Willard helps him take Morphine then takes some himself, much to Chef's consternation who wants him to kill Kurtz so they can leave before an imminent huge offensive by the VC on the camp occurs. When Chef attempts to kill Kurtz himself Willard shoots him.

    A huge battle commences in the camp with Kurtz commanding his army of savages and American special forces, with Willard and Lance fighting alongside. A huge bloody battle ensues and is ended with a massive air strike. At dawn Willard manages to drag a dying Kurtz to the patrol boat and leave. Also with them is Colby, one of Kurtz's special forces.

    As they head down river Kurtz dies uttering "The horror...the horror.." When an air medivac chopper arrives Willard fires on it.

    There is an epilogue where a rehabilitated Willard visits Kurtz's wife at her home.

    I like the fact that in the script there is the forthcoming offensive by the VC to the camp that adds to the urgency and gives a sense of purpose to the proceedings. I've always found the films ending somewhat unsatisfying, even though its one of my favourite films.
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    I have just read John Milius's original script for Apocalypse Now and i have to say, i much prefer the scripts ending to the film version.
    In the screenplay when Willard finds Kurtz, Kurtz is ill and suffering from a serious stomach wound. Willard helps him take Morphine then takes some himself, much to Chef's consternation who wants him to kill Kurtz so they can leave before an imminent huge offensive by the VC on the camp occurs. When Chef attempts to kill Kurtz himself Willard shoots him.

    A huge battle commences in the camp with Kurtz commanding his army of savages and American special forces, with Willard and Lance fighting alongside. A huge bloody battle ensues and is ended with a massive air strike. At dawn Willard manages to drag a dying Kurtz to the patrol boat and leave. Also with them is Colby, one of Kurtz's special forces.

    As they head down river Kurtz dies uttering "The horror...the horror.." When an air medivac chopper arrives Willard fires on it.

    There is an epilogue where a rehabilitated Willard visits Kurtz's wife at her home.

    I like the fact that in the script there is the forthcoming offensive by the VC to the camp that adds to the urgency and gives a sense of purpose to the proceedings. I've always found the films ending somewhat unsatisfying, even though its one of my favourite films.

    That ending does sound a lot better, maybe it wasnt shot because of budget, or Coppola thought another battle scene might have finished him considering what an endurance it was to film!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I have just read John Milius's original script for Apocalypse Now and i have to say, i much prefer the scripts ending to the film version.
    In the screenplay when Willard finds Kurtz, Kurtz is ill and suffering from a serious stomach wound. Willard helps him take Morphine then takes some himself, much to Chef's consternation who wants him to kill Kurtz so they can leave before an imminent huge offensive by the VC on the camp occurs. When Chef attempts to kill Kurtz himself Willard shoots him.

    A huge battle commences in the camp with Kurtz commanding his army of savages and American special forces, with Willard and Lance fighting alongside. A huge bloody battle ensues and is ended with a massive air strike. At dawn Willard manages to drag a dying Kurtz to the patrol boat and leave. Also with them is Colby, one of Kurtz's special forces.

    As they head down river Kurtz dies uttering "The horror...the horror.." When an air medivac chopper arrives Willard fires on it.

    There is an epilogue where a rehabilitated Willard visits Kurtz's wife at her home.

    I like the fact that in the script there is the forthcoming offensive by the VC to the camp that adds to the urgency and gives a sense of purpose to the proceedings. I've always found the films ending somewhat unsatisfying, even though its one of my favourite films.

    That ending does sound a lot better, maybe it wasnt shot because of budget, or Coppola thought another battle scene might have finished him considering what an endurance it was to film!

    I think Coppolla thought it was all a bit 'gung ho' which is why he omitted the battle. He does talk about it in the 'Hearts of Darkness' documentary, which i must re-watch soon.

    Personally i would love to have seen it as scripted. It would have been brutal and spectacular! And while reading the script i kept picturing a younger Nick Nolte as Kurtz.

    If you fancy reading it you can find it here. http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/apocolypse.html



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    That's an interesting discovery. Wasn't Coppola not finding a suitable ending one of the things that delayed the film? I don't mind the current ending. It kind of suits it. I'm also always interested in what might have been.

    This is one of those films that I just find fascinating in its many forms as well as the backstory.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    That's an interesting discovery. Wasn't Coppola not finding a suitable ending one of the things that delayed the film? I don't mind the current ending. It kind of suits it. I'm also always interested in what might have been.

    This is one of those films that I just find fascinating in its many forms as well as the backstory.

    Yes. He apparently spent weeks trying to come up with an ending while Brando wanted to improvise Kurtz's dialogue.

    Personally i think the best the ending was already there in the script.

    I mean, is anything Brando mumbles about in the film that interesting?

    I always find the 'innoculation' story tedious.
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    Regarding Apocalypse Now, I far prefer the ending we got. Far more intimate and haunting.

    On a lighter scale: I find Wayne's World 2 funnier and overall more enjoyable than the first one.
  • Posts: 16,148
    Controversial opinion:

    BLADE RUNNER (1982)

    I prefer the theatrical cut with the voice over narration. Gives the film more of a film noir vibe to me.
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    That's an interesting discovery. Wasn't Coppola not finding a suitable ending one of the things that delayed the film? I don't mind the current ending. It kind of suits it. I'm also always interested in what might have been.

    This is one of those films that I just find fascinating in its many forms as well as the backstory.

    Yes. He apparently spent weeks trying to come up with an ending while Brando wanted to improvise Kurtz's dialogue.

    Personally i think the best the ending was already there in the script.

    I mean, is anything Brando mumbles about in the film that interesting?

    I always find the 'innoculation' story tedious.

    Giving Brando any leeway back then was dangerous for a filmmaker. It was a different time and they put up with his antics to have his talent on a film. He really owed Coppola for resurrecting his career by taking a chance on him for The Godfather instead of pushing the madness of the Apocalypse production further.

    I've read something really crazy on Superman that Brando wanted Jor-El to be represented as a bagel or something very, very strange.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    BLADE RUNNER (1982)

    I prefer the theatrical cut with the voice over narration. Gives the film more of a film noir vibe to me.

    I agree completely! I’ve seen the theatrical version so many times that when I see a different version my brain fills in the voiceover for me :))

    I prefer the theatrical version’s ending too. I’d much rather watch Deckard and Rachel drive into the countryside with Vangelis’s music soaring away. Stopping the film after the unicorn origami in the lift foyer seems silly to me.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    BLADE RUNNER (1982)

    I prefer the theatrical cut with the voice over narration. Gives the film more of a film noir vibe to me.

    I agree completely! I’ve seen the theatrical version so many times that when I see a different version my brain fills in the voiceover for me :))

    I prefer the theatrical version’s ending too. I’d much rather watch Deckard and Rachel drive into the countryside with Vangelis’s music soaring away. Stopping the film after the unicorn origami in the lift foyer seems silly to me.

    Have to disagree. That ending with Deckard and Rachel driving away is utterly stupid. (With outtake shots from Kubricks The Shining!)
    Why would people live in this dense rainy smog filled city, when there is this glorious countryside a mere flying car trip away!
    And the narration was awful, put in for people who couldnt follow the plot, Ford hated doing it and showed his contempt for it by his dull delivery of the lines.
    The Directors cut is far superior and puts everything that was wrong about the theatrical cut right!
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    The Directors cut is far superior and puts everything that was wrong about the theatrical cut right!

    That’s not a controversial opinion, that’s the straight-down-the-line utterly conventional one :))

    The theatrical version was the one I saw in the cinema in ‘82 and I love it
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    I never saw the film theatrically back in '82. A friend gave me his VHS copy on my when he upgraded to the director's cut DVD. That was the copy I'd watch the most back then.
    I remember enjoying the narration, and liked the ending. I wouldn't mind tracking another copy of that down. My current version only contains the latest cut.
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    Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice ( Ultimate cut ) is a masterpiece and Ben Affleck gives the best performance of any actor playing Batman in that film.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    The Shawshank redemption is an average (6/10) film at best and does not belong anywhere remotely near the greatest films of all time as IMDB would suggest
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    The Shawshank redemption is an average (6/10) film at best and does not belong anywhere remotely near the greatest films of all time as IMDB would suggest


    Agreed. And it´s basically a copy of Escape from Alcatraz.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    jobo wrote: »
    The Shawshank redemption is an average (6/10) film at best and does not belong anywhere remotely near the greatest films of all time as IMDB would suggest
    Agreed. And it´s basically a copy of Escape from Alcatraz.
    I agree that Shawshank has no place anywhere the top of any movie list. It may have a place within the IMDb top 250, but not among the first ten, even ahead of the the likes of The Godfather Iand II. Though I think it's still a very good movie.

    At any rate it is infinitely better than the mess that is The Green Mile. I don't want to be repetitive, so if anyone cares, please use the search function on this board. TGM is really one of the few movies I ever regretted buying. Shawshank isn't.
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    I love Shawshank Redemption, but agree. I wouldn't put it in a top 10 greatest film list.
    Still, it's a wonderful film.
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