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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The Whedon footage of Cavill at least shows he could be a very good Superman if they stick to that traditional take. I just have no time for a Superman that’s mopey and burdened. “Oh boo hoo I’m the last of my kind, I try to help save people but I’m so lonely and isolated wah wah wah”

    That was also too prevalent in SUPERMAN RETURNS for my tastes.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,551
    I don't really know what good new stories can be created and told with a one dimensional Superman that's happy all the time. I guess we have the cartoons.
    One man's mopey is another man's pathos I suppose.
    Aren't Superman's burdens pretty central to the character? He's the last of his kind? He's found a new family and a new home on Earth and wants to protect them?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I don't really know what good new stories can be created and told with a one dimensional Superman that's happy all the time. I guess we have the cartoons.
    One man's mopey is another man's pathos I suppose.

    Reeve wasn't happy all the time, to be fair. I actually thought Whedon's Superman was incredibly cringeworthy because it went too far in the other direction - he was annoyingly, cheesily optimistic especially in that opening scene. Just awful to watch, regardless of tradition. There should be a sweet spot in the middle; the heart of Reeve surrounded with the roughness that made Cavill unique in the first place. Tyler Hoechlin manages to balance both quite well, and that's on TV.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't really know what good new stories can be created and told with a one dimensional Superman that's happy all the time. I guess we have the cartoons.
    One man's mopey is another man's pathos I suppose.

    Superheroes as a cultural phenomenon will inevitably reflect our societal condition. The do-gooder that Reeve played worked great at the time but would be too one-dimensional for our times, I think. Cavill's Superman explores that "emotional" side, yes, and words like "mopey" or "feminine" keep getting used to describe his disposition. But handsome, muscled blokes need to dig a little deeper to become superheroes in modern times. To be honest, I quite like the who-am-I? soul-searching bits of MOS. I am happy to see Supes be more than the guy who turns back time by inverting the rotational direction of Earth. And for the record, MOS didn't invent this Superman. DC has a few Superman titles in its archives that went there long before MOS.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Is he really described as "feminine"? ... wow.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2022 Posts: 24,183
    Is he really described as "feminine"? ... wow.

    Sadly, yes. We went from the word "emo" in the '00s to downright "fruity" and "feminine" in recent times. Because dudes are never sad, never face inner conflicts and never cry. Well, that's a memo I never received.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wasn’t asking for a Superman that’s happy all the time. Reeve, John Byrne, Bruce Timm, etc have all shown plenty of different facets while still being able to portray an overall optimistic Superman. There’s a moment in the JUSTICE LEAGUE animated series where Darkseid shows up to call a temporary truce with the league in order to defeat a greater force. Superman’s first instinct upon seeing Darkseid is to straight up kill him, his teammates have to hold him back from doing that. It’s a shocking character beat for Superman because we rarely ever see him behave that way, and that’s why it’s effective.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I also like the conflicted Reagan stooge Superman from THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.
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    Perhaps I should revisit MAN OF STEEL? Been nearly a decade since I saw it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Perhaps I should revisit MAN OF STEEL? Been nearly a decade since I saw it.

    It's never going to please the whole crowd, but I admire the film for its boldness, action, score, acting and willingness to move away from the Donner legacy, which is great but has run its course.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    As someone that loved Donner’s film, I don’t even think SR did a good job of carrying on that style. I admire it attempting to be a legacy sequel a decade before that became more popular with THE FORCE AWAKENS. Bryan Singer was mostly good for X-Men films, but wholly wrong for Superman.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    A controversial opinion: I actually think Superman Returns is a good film. It's a far better film than S3 and Q4P in my opinion. It is in my top 3:
    1) STM
    2) MOS
    3) SR
    Yes, that means what it means: S2 is not my favourite nor second favourite Superman film.

    I really enjoyed SR when it was released. For me it's Superman 3 as it should have been.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    A controversial opinion: I actually think Superman Returns is a good film. It's a far better film than S3 and Q4P in my opinion. It is in my top 3:
    1) STM
    2) MOS
    3) SR
    Yes, that means what it means: S2 is not my favourite nor second favourite Superman film.

    I really enjoyed SR when it was released. For me it's Superman 3 as it should have been.

    Yes, I can see that. ;-)
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    Okay in rewatching Donnie Brasco and while I always found Johmmy Depp unlikeable as a person and overrated as an actor... damn he's fine I'm it!

    Also, I just learned Anne Heche died tragically this year and had troubled years until that point. Anybody knows about her downfall? She seemed to have such a bright future then.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    I'm the same. Being scared is an added bonus if it happens. It rarely does anymore, but it does.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    Well, put it this way....

    When I have nightmares, gore is rarely involved.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Okay in rewatching Donnie Brasco and while I always found Johmmy Depp unlikeable as a person and overrated as an actor... damn he's fine I'm it!

    He certainly is. And I honestly think it's Pacino's best performance.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    Same here. Atmosphere and the iconic actors of the classic horror genre: Bela, Boris, Cushing, Lee, Price, etc

    As Martin Landau's Lugosi said:

    "The pure horror, it both repels, and attracts them, because in their collective unconsiousness, they have the agony of childbirth. The blood. The blood is horror.
    Take my word for it. If you want to make out with a young lady, take her to see "Dracula"."
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Saw and Hostel are not horror movies but rather murder and torture porn.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Saw and Hostel are not horror movies but rather murder and torture porn.

    Well, for the sake of convenience those are usually lumped in with the other horror subgenres I think. Also, horror is the feeling of revolt; terror is the tension leading up to it. SAW and HOSTEL certainly provide buckets of horror in that sense. 😉
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    I'm with you. Give me a stylish slice of 70's Euro Horror over 'Tourture Porn' any day. Along with Tourture Porn, I would also add J-Horror as sub genres of Horror that have never appealed to me.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    Well, put it this way....

    When I have nightmares, gore is rarely involved.

    I watched Hereditary, and it didn't scare/affect me at all, basically.

    Then, several months later, I suddenly couldn't get it out of my head and lost a ton of sleep. :))

    Movies that stay with me are the more "supernatural" horror films; The Ring, The Grudge (anything where people's faces are messed up), The Exorcist all stay with me much longer than films that are gory. They make me feel sick in the moment, but when it's done, it's done.

    Controversially I found Gerald's Game to contain some of the hardest to watch gore I've seen, and I've since watched Possessor.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    Well, put it this way....

    When I have nightmares, gore is rarely involved.

    I watched Hereditary, and it didn't scare/affect me at all, basically.

    Then, several months later, I suddenly couldn't get it out of my head and lost a ton of sleep. :))

    Movies that stay with me are the more "supernatural" horror films; The Ring, The Grudge (anything where people's faces are messed up), The Exorcist all stay with me much longer than films that are gory. They make me feel sick in the moment, but when it's done, it's done.

    Controversially I found Gerald's Game to contain some of the hardest to watch gore I've seen, and I've since watched Possessor.

    It always comes back to the unknown, which is more terrifying than anything. Gore is just that, gore. All show, and no tell. Which is not to say it doesn't have a place, and that it can't be mightily impressive or leave a mark. It absolutely can!
  • Posts: 15,123
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not so much a controversial opinion, but maybe a controversial mindset:

    I don’t watch horror to be scared or disgusted, I watch them primarily for atmosphere.

    Which perhaps explains why I was never into Saw or Hostel movies, and why I prefer older horror like the Hammer movies or, maybe even more so, a good old giallo from Mario Bava or Dario Argento.

    I'm the same. Being scared is an added bonus if it happens. It rarely does anymore, but it does.

    Same here.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I'm just listening to my computer's random choice of film music and a piece of Lalo Schifrin's Enter the Dragon came up.

    The music is good (hey, it's Schifrin!). But when I finally watched the movie maybe 10 or 12 years ago (never saw it before, never was interested in Kung-Fu movies) because I was enticed by the hype about it, I just thought, hey, this is really bad. And actually boring. And the fights are well-choreographed...but I don't like ballet, either. And I never considered seeing it again, although I still have the disk, of course.

    I'm pretty sure this is controversial enough here.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I'm just listening to my computer's random choice of film music and a piece of Lalo Schifrin's Enter the Dragon came up.

    The music is good (hey, it's Schifrin!). But when I finally watched the movie maybe 10 or 12 years ago (never saw it before, never was interested in Kung-Fu movies) because I was enticed by the hype about it, I just thought, hey, this is really bad. And actually boring. And the fights are well-choreographed...but I don't like ballet, either. And I never considered seeing it again, although I still have the disk, of course.

    I'm pretty sure this is controversial enough here.

    The film works for me but it's one of the only BL films I've so far seen due to lack of interest.
  • edited February 2023 Posts: 16,167
    Controversial opinon:

    LAST MAN STANDING , starring Bruce Willis is by far the BEST version of YOJIMBO, even out YOJIMBOing A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.

    Haha!

    Just wanted to revive this thread and cause a few waves.............................

    Actually I'm only about 25 minutes into this remake, and I actually kind of like it. I get why this bombed and has a poor reception, though.
    I am enjoying the prohibition era setting.
    Besides, it's got Spider from GOODFELLAS!
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinon:

    LAST MAN STANDING , starring Bruce Willis is by far the BEST version of YOJIMBO, even out YOJIMBOing A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.

    Haha!

    Just wanted to revive this thread and cause a few waves.............................

    Actually I'm only about 25 minutes into this remake, and I actually kind of like it. I get why this bombed and has a poor reception, though.
    I am enjoying the prohibition era setting.
    Besides, it's got Spider from GOODFELLAS!

    As a Walter Hill fan, I could probably go along with that! Though its far from Hills best, its still a solid action movie, and is certainly livelier than Leones take! Besides,Hills film has the great Christopher Walken, a hoot as an enforcer, and a really cool theme from Hill regular Ry Cooder!
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Being a fan of all the Sergio Leone movies, including FISTFUL, and having seen the Kurosawa original and the Walter Hill remake, I still say that the best verson of YOJIMBO is, well, YOJIMBO. The only thing it lacks in this comparison is a Morricone score. Well, anyway, you caused a certain wave ;-).
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