Controversial opinions about other movies

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  • edited September 2018 Posts: 11,189
    The Jungle Book shamelessly promoted soft drugs to children

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    My favourites are Peter Pan and Hercules. Particularly the former is one of my all-time favourites.
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The Jungle Book shamelessly promoted soft drugs to children


    Oh, believe me. You don't need drugs for that!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My 10 Favorite Walt Disney Animation Studios:

    1) 101 Dalmatians.
    2) The Fox and the Hound.
    3) Aladdin.
    4) The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
    5) The Emperor's New Groove.
    6) Pinocchio.
    7) Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
    8) The Lion King.
    9) Beauty and the Beast.
    10) The Little Mermaid.

    Honorable Mentions: The Jungle Book, The Rescuers, The Rescuers Down Under, Wreck-It Ralph, Zootopia.

    What's controversial is that The Lion King is ranked so low.

    Two more honorable mentions are The Great Mouse Detective and Atlantis The Lost Empire. I'm so surprised how little TGMD gets talked about! It's so likable! Can't go wrong with Vincent Price as a villain.

    Coming soon favorite Pixar movies.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Top three Pixar:

    1 RATATOUILLE
    2 UP
    3 THE INCREDIBLES
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 11,189
    Top three Pixar:

    1 RATATOUILLE
    2 UP
    3 THE INCREDIBLES

    Agreed on Up, wonderful film, but no Toy Story?

    I’ve only seen The Incredibles once and to be honest found it a bit boring.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I never bothered with Up or Wall-E.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited September 2018 Posts: 9,041
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My 10 Favorite Walt Disney Animation Studios:

    1) 101 Dalmatians.
    2) The Fox and the Hound.
    3) Aladdin.
    4) The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
    5) The Emperor's New Groove.
    6) Pinocchio.
    7) Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
    8) The Lion King.
    9) Beauty and the Beast.
    10) The Little Mermaid.

    Honorable Mentions: The Jungle Book, The Rescuers, The Rescuers Down Under, Wreck-It Ralph, Zootopia.

    What's controversial is that The Lion King is ranked so low.

    Not for me. I always thought that The Lion King was essentially a remake of Bambi, only with lions instead of deer. I just like Bambi a whole lot better. My favourite Disney animated movie has been for over 50 years, and is likely to remain, The Jungle Book. It is also the movie (of all) that I saw the most times in a cinema, beating The Rocky Horror Picture Show in that regard. Aladdin may be No. 2, then Bambi which I'm surprised not to find anywhere on your list. Also Mulan is somewhere in the top tier. As well as The Sword in the Stone and Aristocats, by the way. None of this takes anything away from those I didn't mention (there is no Disney animated film I don't like at all, not saying I know those straight-to-video sequels)...but The Lion King appears in fact "overrated" to me.
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    The best Disney films (non-Pixar) for me would include:

    -Pinocchio
    -Dumbo
    -Cinderella
    -Alice in Wonderland
    -Peter Pan
    -The Jungle Book
    -Robin Hood
    -The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
    -The Fox and the Hound
    -Beauty and the Beast
    -Aladdin
    -The Lion King
    -The Hunchback of Notre Dame
    -Mulan
    -Tarzan
    -The Emperor’s New Groove
    -Lilo & Stitch
    -Treasure Planet
    -The Princess and the Frog
    -Zootopia

    I like many more than just these, but those are my favorites.
  • Posts: 7,438
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My 10 Favorite Walt Disney Animation Studios:

    1) 101 Dalmatians.
    2) The Fox and the Hound.
    3) Aladdin.
    4) The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
    5) The Emperor's New Groove.
    6) Pinocchio.
    7) Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
    8) The Lion King.
    9) Beauty and the Beast.
    10) The Little Mermaid.

    Honorable Mentions: The Jungle Book, The Rescuers, The Rescuers Down Under, Wreck-It Ralph, Zootopia.

    What's controversial is that The Lion King is ranked so low.

    Two more honorable mentions are The Great Mouse Detective and Atlantis The Lost Empire. I'm so surprised how little TGMD gets talked about! It's so likable! Can't go wrong with Vincent Price as a villain.

    Coming soon favorite Pixar movies.

    I'm a fan of The Great Mouse Detective too! Mainly for Vincent Prices villain Ratigan!
    It has some good characters and set pieces and it has a really well staged finale inside Big Ben clock! Under-rated.
    Favourite Disney film for me is still The Jungle Book. Marvellous entertainment! My least favourite is....Frozen!!...bores the hell out of me!
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    One woeful omission by myself - as well as others - in the list of stand-out Disney animateds: Fantasia. Simple perfection.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 11,189
    I used to like Basil, the Great Mouse Detective as a kid too. Pretty sure I still have my vhs copy.

    As The Lion King was probably my most watched film as a child to the point where (like GoldenEye) I could recite the dialogue off by heart, I consider anyone who believes it’s overrated an utter and complete monster ;)
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My 10 Favorite Walt Disney Animation Studios:

    1) 101 Dalmatians.
    2) The Fox and the Hound.
    3) Aladdin.
    4) The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
    5) The Emperor's New Groove.
    6) Pinocchio.
    7) Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
    8) The Lion King.
    9) Beauty and the Beast.
    10) The Little Mermaid.

    Honorable Mentions: The Jungle Book, The Rescuers, The Rescuers Down Under, Wreck-It Ralph, Zootopia.

    What's controversial is that The Lion King is ranked so low.

    Not for me. I always thought that The Lion King was essentially a remake of Bambi, only with lions instead of deer. I just like Bambi a whole lot better. My favourite Disney animated movie has been for over 50 years, and is likely to remain, The Jungle Book. It is also the movie (of all) that I saw the most times in a cinema, beating The Rocky Horror Picture Show in that regard. Aladdin may be No. 2, then Bambi which I'm surprised not to find anywhere on your list. Also Mulan is somewhere in the top tier. As well as The Sword in the Stone and Aristocats, by the way. None of this takes anything away from those I didn't mention (there is no Disney animated film I don't like at all, not saying I know those straight-to-video sequels)...but The Lion King appears in fact "overrated" to me.


    You need to make a stronger case for why Lion King is overrated than it simply being similar plot wise to Bambi. By that logic many considered classics in movie history are "overrated". Improvements on consisting story lines and scripts are attempted all the time in the movie industry. Not least in James Bond... Is Spy Who Loved Me just a cheap rehash of YOLT?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    My Top 10 Favorite Pixar Movies:

    1) The Incredibles.
    2) Toy Story 2.
    3) Toy Story 3.
    4) Toy Story 1.
    5) Monster's Inc.
    6) Up.
    7) A Bug's Life.
    8) Finding Nemo.
    9) Finding Dory.
    10) Tie between Ratatouille or Wall-E.

    Too early for Incredibles 2 to be added yet. Inside Out was nothing like it was advertised, and it kind of made the movie a bit of a downer for me. The bottom three films are the Cars Trilogy. With John Lasseter out now, hopefully this means no more, for real.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 11,189
    I like The Lion King more than Bambi.

    Wasn’t Lion King referred to as Hamlet with Lions?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My Top 10 Favorite Pixar Movies:

    1) The Incredibles.
    2) Toy Story 2.
    3) Toy Story 3.
    4) Toy Story 1.
    5) Monster's Inc.
    6) Up.
    7) A Bug's Life.
    8) Finding Nemo.
    9) Finding Dory.
    10) Tie between Ratatouille or Wall-E.

    Too early for Incredibles 2 to be added yet. Inside Out was nothing like it was advertised, and it kind of made the movie a bit of a downer for me. The bottom three films are the Cars Trilogy. With John Lasseter out now, hopefully this means no more, for real.

    This list reflects mine, but I'd swap A Bugs Life with your number 10 choices.
  • Posts: 7,438
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My Top 10 Favorite Pixar Movies:

    1) The Incredibles.
    2) Toy Story 2.
    3) Toy Story 3.
    4) Toy Story 1.
    5) Monster's Inc.
    6) Up.
    7) A Bug's Life.
    8) Finding Nemo.
    9) Finding Dory.
    10) Tie between Ratatouille or Wall-E.

    Too early for Incredibles 2 to be added yet. Inside Out was nothing like it was advertised, and it kind of made the movie a bit of a downer for me. The bottom three films are the Cars Trilogy. With John Lasseter out now, hopefully this means no more, for real.

    This list reflects mine, but I'd swap A Bugs Life with your number 10 choices.

    I'd go along with that! Agree also about Inside Out...didn't like it at all! The Cars trilogy are indeed the weakest Pixar movies!
  • I love that this group isn't limited to 007. I wanted to take a moment and thank all of you for being a totally chill fan group that doesn't get like militantly violent about talking about things that aren't related to the James Bond franchise.

    As for my controversial non 007 movie opinion-I grew up watching gangster movies. Now, I love, love, love The Godfather Trilogy but I hate when people say that it's a gangster movie (I hate even more when people say it's the greatest gangster movie of all time) because in my opinion, The Godfather is about so much more than organized crime. To me, The Godfather is about family, the very serious dynamics about what it means to belong to family in terms of both loyalty and betrayal. It just so happens that in The Godfather, the business the Corleone Family deals in is organized crime. In my opinion, Goodfellas is and always will be the quintessential gangster movie.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    My Top 10 Favorite Pixar Movies:

    1) The Incredibles.
    2) Toy Story 2.
    3) Toy Story 3.
    4) Toy Story 1.
    5) Monster's Inc.
    6) Up.
    7) A Bug's Life.
    8) Finding Nemo.
    9) Finding Dory.
    10) Tie between Ratatouille or Wall-E.

    Too early for Incredibles 2 to be added yet. Inside Out was nothing like it was advertised, and it kind of made the movie a bit of a downer for me. The bottom three films are the Cars Trilogy. With John Lasseter out now, hopefully this means no more, for real.

    This list reflects mine, but I'd swap A Bugs Life with your number 10 choices.

    I'd go along with that! Agree also about Inside Out...didn't like it at all! The Cars trilogy are indeed the weakest Pixar movies!

    I liked 1 and 3. My kids were watching the second one over the weekend and I found it bizzare. Cars 3 is probably my favorite but probably due to it being force fed to me over the past few months.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 16,170
    So I just picked up the 2004 DVD of RETURN OF THE JEDI.

    I haven't seen the film in at least 20 years and I have it playing in the background now. I don't believe I ever saw the 1997 revised version. Apparently this one is even more different.

    Controversial opinion 1:

    I think this 2004 DVD actually looks pretty good. I also think Jabba the Hut looks more or less the same as I remember him looking back in the summer of '83. Of course I could be wrong not being as well versed in this franchise as I am Bond. Don't really know what the differences are. I imagine if I were watching TSWLM with a bunch of added effects I might be pi$$ed.

    Controversial opinion 2:

    The original 1977 film is still my favorite (because of Peter Cushing). This one is a close second, though.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,638
    I love that this group isn't limited to 007. I wanted to take a moment and thank all of you for being a totally chill fan group that doesn't get like militantly violent about talking about things that aren't related to the James Bond franchise.

    As for my controversial non 007 movie opinion-I grew up watching gangster movies. Now, I love, love, love The Godfather Trilogy but I hate when people say that it's a gangster movie (I hate even more when people say it's the greatest gangster movie of all time) because in my opinion, The Godfather is about so much more than organized crime. To me, The Godfather is about family, the very serious dynamics about what it means to belong to family in terms of both loyalty and betrayal. It just so happens that in The Godfather, the business the Corleone Family deals in is organized crime. In my opinion, Goodfellas is and always will be the quintessential gangster movie.

    You're welcome. I'm always curious what other's opinions are, in terms of James Bond and other areas. As for what you said about gangster movies, I agree 100%. The Godfather is about more than gangsters. Between the two, they are the quintessential gangster movies, arguably ever made.

    P.S. Have you ever read the Godfather Novel? It's just as great as the movie. I also recommend the prequel novel The Family Corleone. It's based off The Godfather Part 4's original script by Mario Puzo.
  • MaxCasino wrote: »
    I love that this group isn't limited to 007. I wanted to take a moment and thank all of you for being a totally chill fan group that doesn't get like militantly violent about talking about things that aren't related to the James Bond franchise.

    As for my controversial non 007 movie opinion-I grew up watching gangster movies. Now, I love, love, love The Godfather Trilogy but I hate when people say that it's a gangster movie (I hate even more when people say it's the greatest gangster movie of all time) because in my opinion, The Godfather is about so much more than organized crime. To me, The Godfather is about family, the very serious dynamics about what it means to belong to family in terms of both loyalty and betrayal. It just so happens that in The Godfather, the business the Corleone Family deals in is organized crime. In my opinion, Goodfellas is and always will be the quintessential gangster movie.

    You're welcome. I'm always curious what other's opinions are, in terms of James Bond and other areas. As for what you said about gangster movies, I agree 100%. The Godfather is about more than gangsters. Between the two, they are the quintessential gangster movies, arguably ever made.

    P.S. Have you ever read the Godfather Novel? It's just as great as the movie. I also recommend the prequel novel The Family Corleone. It's based off The Godfather Part 4's original script by Mario Puzo.

    I read MOST of the original novel and I loved it. I know it's a bit cliche to say this, so I don't always say it but it was much better than the film. I think I had to stop like a few chapters short of the last one because of library due dates and I think someone else had it like reserved before I returned it or something like that and I never got around to getting it out again. I wasn't interested in any of the subsequent novels by Winnegartner (I think his name was) but The Family Corleone did catch my eye.
  • Posts: 12,474
    Two controversial Star Wars opinions from me:

    Return of the Jedi > Star Wars (A New Hope)
    The Last Jedi > The Force Awakens

    Return is my second favorite right after Empire. The original takes third. Then ROTS, TLJ, TFA, AOTC, and TPM in that order for me.
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    I thought Star Wars was very entertaining as a kid. Tried watching some of the old films a few years ago, but found them a bit "meh". Clearing up some space in my DVD collection these days, and the SW films are likely to make way.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    The first two Godfather films are possibly the greatest films of all time IMO. I like Part 3 but it does pale in comparison.

    As for Star Wars, I'll admit that I did like A New Hope and thought The Empire Strikes Back was pretty decent. The others, not so much.
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    Star Wars is definitely a bit overhyped for my taste. I do enjoy the originals quite a bit and some of the newer stuff is okay, but I’m no fanboy.
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    I love that this group isn't limited to 007. I wanted to take a moment and thank all of you for being a totally chill fan group that doesn't get like militantly violent about talking about things that aren't related to the James Bond franchise.

    As for my controversial non 007 movie opinion-I grew up watching gangster movies. Now, I love, love, love The Godfather Trilogy but I hate when people say that it's a gangster movie (I hate even more when people say it's the greatest gangster movie of all time) because in my opinion, The Godfather is about so much more than organized crime. To me, The Godfather is about family, the very serious dynamics about what it means to belong to family in terms of both loyalty and betrayal. It just so happens that in The Godfather, the business the Corleone Family deals in is organized crime. In my opinion, Goodfellas is and always will be the quintessential gangster movie.
    Nice take. Another popular view of the Godfather is that it's a story about the pursuit of the American Dream as seen through the eyes of immigrants and first-generation Americans. That's the beauty of it is it's so much more than a gangster story.

    Godfather is my favorite film of all time, but I'll be if Goodfellas isn't also just a masterpiece. It stunned me when I first saw it and its power has never diminished. I've said for a long time that this is a more frightening film experience than the countless horror and thriller films that litter the cinemas almost each weekend.
  • BT3366 wrote: »
    I love that this group isn't limited to 007. I wanted to take a moment and thank all of you for being a totally chill fan group that doesn't get like militantly violent about talking about things that aren't related to the James Bond franchise.

    As for my controversial non 007 movie opinion-I grew up watching gangster movies. Now, I love, love, love The Godfather Trilogy but I hate when people say that it's a gangster movie (I hate even more when people say it's the greatest gangster movie of all time) because in my opinion, The Godfather is about so much more than organized crime. To me, The Godfather is about family, the very serious dynamics about what it means to belong to family in terms of both loyalty and betrayal. It just so happens that in The Godfather, the business the Corleone Family deals in is organized crime. In my opinion, Goodfellas is and always will be the quintessential gangster movie.
    Nice take. Another popular view of the Godfather is that it's a story about the pursuit of the American Dream as seen through the eyes of immigrants and first-generation Americans. That's the beauty of it is it's so much more than a gangster story.

    Godfather is my favorite film of all time, but I'll be if Goodfellas isn't also just a masterpiece. It stunned me when I first saw it and its power has never diminished. I've said for a long time that this is a more frightening film experience than the countless horror and thriller films that litter the cinemas almost each weekend.

    I have to say something very strange happened the first time I watched Goodfellas and it's something that happens with me whenever I see a film that I find truly amazing and it's something I can't quite explain. For whatever reason the very first time I watched Goodfellas, for whatever reason, it was just meh to me. It wasn't until after very many years of rewatching it that over time it eclipsed the Godfather for me and became like the one true mob movie in my opinion. The same thing happened to me for the Dark Knight, which is one of my favorite movies ever, for whatever reason the first time I watched it I was like, eh, it's pretty good and then after rewatching it time and time again I was like wow okay, this movie is a masterpiece.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I wouldn't call The Dark Knight a masterpiece though. It's definitely good but it's not like it's Fellini or Tarkovsky. Nevertheless, in its own genre it's obviously one of the best.
  • GoldenGun wrote: »
    I wouldn't call The Dark Knight a masterpiece though. It's definitely good but it's not like it's Fellini or Tarkovsky. Nevertheless, in its own genre it's obviously one of the best.



    Considering how comic book movies tend to fare as serious films, I'd say it's a masterpiece. I mean I agree, it's not Casablanca or Gone with the Wind or Lawrence of Arabia but it'll do.
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