The Brosnan era was actually more fun for Bond fans

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    Just to remind ourselves of the novelizations.
    I do miss the novelizations. In hardcover.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I pretty much semi-checked out after MR. I continued to see them in the theatre (with the exception of TND), but I didn't feel satisfied until CR, and didn't feel that old anticipation again until the months leading up to the release of SF.

    In my case, if I wasn't getting a movie like DN, FRWL, TLD or LTK, then give me fun like YOLT. TND was FUN. SF was NOT fun and it was not serious (except in killing Severine and M to make us go "Oh crap!"). But SP was at least fun. QOS is still my favourite 'hard' Bond film after Dalton. So there. ;)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    Just to remind ourselves of the novelizations.

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    I've read the GE novelization. Pretty enjoyable. Haven't gotten around to the others though unfortunately.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I need to pick up the other novelizations, too. I currently only own the one for GE, have yet to read it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Paul Bettany is Vision in the Marvel Universe. He also was in a Beautiful Mind being the friend of Russell Crowe's character. I wonder about him playing Bond.

    As for the question of the thread. For fun I would say Brosnan's films were high on fun. Craig is by far the most serious Bond we've had. As Bond says in YOLT..."no not better just different. Just like Russian caviar is different from Peking duck but I love them both."

    So it depends on my mood as to which film I shall grab off the shelf. I can appreciate both sets of movies for what they are attempting to do with the character and with the stories. Not sure I can say one is definitively better then the other.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Two pages and this thread has not fallen apart yet, i am positively suprised. Well done mi6community, lets enjoy it while it lasts.

    As for me, i love both pretty much equally, Brosnan and Craig. Especially because they are so different from each other, so there is barely any competition.

    I grew up with Brosnan. He got me into Bond and the franchise as a whole. My love in that stage was always with Brosnan as Bond, not the character itself. I would watch Sean and Roger, and while i could acknowledged that they were very good themselves, they were simply not Brosnan, and the movies were 'old' which made it a bit hard for me to get into them. Also Brosnan became an Idol of mine and has considerably informed my own sense of humor and style etc, when I was very young and looking for male role models in movies etc.

    Nowadays I am a different type of Bond fan who loves all charaterizations of the Character in all types of media, books, comics, games etc. But i never lost my connection to the initial love i had for Brosnans portrayal of him.

    I have come to realize, by studying this forum and all the fine gentleman who share my love for the Brozz, that one integral part of understanding his era are definitly the video games. If you asked me what was better about Brosnans era, the movies or the games, i would have a really hard time answering that, and would possibly even lean to the games.

    A movie is a fine piece of entertainment for 2 hours, but a game lets you BE Bond for hours and days and participate in all the crazyness and action in a way a movie never could. It let you identify with Bond on a different level, and Brosnan was the first true multimedia Bond in that regard and is still the Best. Most of the Brosnan fans here love the games, while older Bond fans who never got into video games, could never share that enthusiasm we had for the era.

    Even though i love all the Brosnan movies, i can aknowledge that some of them have their flaws, and might lack a certain edge. But they still have Brosnan in them, which is good enough for me.
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 623
    I really wasn't so much bothered about direct comparison on the movies, as I was about how much being a Bond fan was 'fun' during each four film run.
    During the Brosnan era, I felt I was still being served up the type of Bond film I'd grown up with. All the elements were there, and a new film came out every couple of years.
    Then Casino Royale came along, and it was such a great movie that I didn't mind so much that it wasn't the formula, and that I couldn't relate to Craig as the same character that the previous actors had portrayed. But when QOS came along, it made me a bit sad, because they'd made this 'gritty' Bond, and he's strangling people all bruised up, and it's all choppy editing and you can't tell what's going on. He was just like some thug. But because it was more serious and arty than Brosnan's movies, that made me think 'ah well, they've re-invented him and he's a blunt instrument in Fleming's vision'. I suppose.
    Then he's a stubly 'old dog' in the next film. Jesus, when are we going to have him on a mission, where the bad guy has a vile plan, and Bond gets the job to go off around the world with gadgets and stuff and get in adventures?
    Okay, that would be SPECTRE. Moneypenny's back, the gunbarrel, so thirteen years after DAD we're back to traditional format. But then it's about his family, and I'm not sure the villain has an evil scheme. What was it again? Building a database or something? Not exactly blowing up Fort Knox, is it?
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 19,339
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Just to remind ourselves of the novelizations.

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    I think ive still got the first 2 of those.

    BrosnanBond films more fun than CraigBond films ? ..100% yes.

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    I think I remember Benson saying he didn't have much time to write the novelisations. I think you can tell, they're not great literature. But they're readable and often show up differences from the film that were in the earlier scripts.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The only way I can approach this thread is to look at my viewing habits.

    Apart from a Bond-a-thon I did about a year ago, when I feel like watching a Bond film, I will throw in Connery/Craig by a very wide margin (and Lazenby in the colder months leading into Christmas).

    Some of Moore's work is a distant second, but Dalton's two are sneaking up to over-take this position.

    I have never felt the need to go back to Brosnan's entries, except for a very quick look at TND (and I only watched it up until the the end of the motorcycle chase). It just is an era that didn't appeal to me. I understand why people like Brosnan, I just never climbed on board with him.

    After the release of GE, it took me two years to accept him as being Bond. I only saw GE once in the cinema (whereas I usually see all Bond releases multiple times).

    In fact, I didn't come around to seeing the very good movie that GE is, until years later... Upon that first viewing, I felt like all the Bond elements overshadowed James Bond himself (I found Pierce to be too slight physically, and everything, from Onatopp to Bean to be too commanding, making Bond look even smaller)... Pierce did get better in the role, but then the films got a little too predictable and by-the-numbers.

    So, apart from SP, I do find the Craig era more fun-- his first three took me on three, very different, and unpredictable, journeys.
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
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    The Brosnan era made me lose my interest in Bond. I was a hardcore fan in my early teens, and I remember sitting through TND in the cinema and being so bored that I got out my mobile phone to text people (a heinous act I chalk down to the folly of youth which I would never do now!) I didn't bother with TWINE or DAD at the cinema as I wasn't a Goldeneye fan either.

    I would never put on any of his Bond films by choice.

    However my passion for Bond was reignited with Casino Royale and hasn't abated since, and it's at an "all time high" since Skyfall.
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    The Brossa era depressed me no end! After 2 brilliant films from Dalton, I was stoked we were in for at least 4 or 5 great films with him starring! Instead we got mediocre soulless bland efforts with a lead who was like a hole in the screen! The fact Brossa was ageless and proving popular with audiences and after the debacle that was DAD, I felt Bond was finished with me! A new brighter dawn emerged when rumours circulated they weren't renewing his contract and they were auditioning new actors filled me with hope!
    And Craig s debut was so amazing and I still think he's fab and delighted he starring in Bond 25!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    If the current era keeps going in the same vein and develops the tone for the next era, I'd be losing my interest in the franchise sometime in the future. The Brosnan era was what was needed to entertain and maintain the formula, but here we are, dealing with daft family relations and emotional shortcomings with the protagonist. Royale was a terrific start. But, everything afterwards that tried to repeat the same tone and story structure fell flat and dare I say utmost dull, monotonous and a bore. At least with the Brosnan era we lived through the glory of the Sean Connery and Roger Moore templates combined into one, adding to that the excitement of action and adventure coming into play, that's what I long for when I watch a Bond film. Not learn more about trust issues, current politics, characters fondling with their "inner demons" and their personal lives dealing with "blasts from the past". No thank you. Give me my Brosnan era back, any day of the week, twice on the weekends.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited April 2018 Posts: 5,185
    If the current era keeps going in the same vein and develops the tone for the next era, I'd be losing my interest in the franchise sometime in the future. The Brosnan era was what was needed to entertain and maintain the formula, but here we are, dealing with daft family relations and emotional shortcomings with the protagonist. Royale was a terrific start. But, everything afterwards that tried to repeat the same tone and story structure fell flat and dare I say utmost dull, monotonous and a bore. At least with the Brosnan era we lived through the glory of the Sean Connery and Roger Moore templates combined into one, adding to that the excitement of action and adventure coming into play, that's what I long for when I watch a Bond film. Not learn more about trust issues, current politics, characters fondling with their "inner demons" and their personal lives dealing with "blasts from the past". No thank you. Give me my Brosnan era back, any day of the week, twice on the weekends.

    I would not worry about that @ClarkDevlin, every Bond era, or actor change, was vastly different from the previous one and in no small part a counter reaction to what came before.
    No tone can be maintained indefinitly, even the serious Craig tone, as at some point there would simply be no variety and suprise element anymore.
    I think they will definitly have to bring some lightness back eventually, not necessarily in the tone of Brosnan, as he had a different tone from Roger and Connery as well. But whatever it will be, it will have to be different from Craig.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    I remember sitting through TND in the cinema and being so bored that I got out my mobile phone to text people

    Are you sure you weren't actually pretending to control your car with it?

    After GE, which was very exciting for me as it was the first Bond I got to see in the cinema, I didn't much enjoy Brosnan's films either (I'm fonder of them now). But it was a good era for Bond fandom. Other cool things we got were a major exhibition at the Science Museum and a Bond ride at the Trocadero.
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    The Brossa era depressed me no end! After 2 brilliant films from Dalton, I was stoked we were in for at least 4 or 5 great films with him starring! Instead we got mediocre soulless bland efforts with a lead who was like a hole in the screen! The fact Brossa was ageless and proving popular with audiences and after the debacle that was DAD, I felt Bond was finished with me! A new brighter dawn emerged when rumours circulated they weren't renewing his contract and they were auditioning new actors filled me with hope!
    And Craig s debut was so amazing and I still think he's fab and delighted he starring in Bond 25!

    Hole in the screen? Ridiculous! And this after Dalton gave the world a new standard how to define lack of charisma.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I remember doing the novelizations for book reports in middle school. The teacher didn't know that they were just the films in book form. For me, my golden age was 2000-2003. Still on the high of the Brosnan era. I bought my PS2 in 2002 with Agent Under Fire and my first film in theaters was DAD. Then came Nightfire and eventually EON. The Brosnan films were a weekly routine watch at this point.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    The Brossa era depressed me no end! After 2 brilliant films from Dalton, I was stoked we were in for at least 4 or 5 great films with him starring! Instead we got mediocre soulless bland efforts with a lead who was like a hole in the screen! The fact Brossa was ageless and proving popular with audiences and after the debacle that was DAD, I felt Bond was finished with me! A new brighter dawn emerged when rumours circulated they weren't renewing his contract and they were auditioning new actors filled me with hope!
    And Craig s debut was so amazing and I still think he's fab and delighted he starring in Bond 25!
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    The Brossa era depressed me no end! After 2 brilliant films from Dalton, I was stoked we were in for at least 4 or 5 great films with him starring! Instead we got mediocre soulless bland efforts with a lead who was like a hole in the screen! The fact Brossa was ageless and proving popular with audiences and after the debacle that was DAD, I felt Bond was finished with me! A new brighter dawn emerged when rumours circulated they weren't renewing his contract and they were auditioning new actors filled me with hope!
    And Craig s debut was so amazing and I still think he's fab and delighted he starring in Bond 25!

    You remind me of me.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited April 2018 Posts: 11,139
    Give me an era full of GE-calibre movies every 2 to 3 years and I'm happy.

    As for the Craig era, it stopped being fun after Blood Stone which was in 2010!?!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Give me an era full of GE-calibre movies every 2 to 3 years and I'm happy.

    As for the Craig era, it stopped being fun after Blood Stone which was in 2010!?!
    It indeed was in 2010, mate. Hell of a Craig Bond adventure, that one.
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    I rate tnd as the most fun of the Brosnan era, then die another day. TWINE is very much like Craig's Skyfall. Goldeneye feels a bit like it belongs in the 80's and very much feels like late 80's cold war actioner.

    I tend to change my mind about which one is my favorite Brosnan film; Goldeneye or TND. The latter certainly is more fun for me to watch.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    SharkBait wrote: »
    TWINE is very much like Craig's Skyfall.
    I share your basic fondness for TND, but I don't see the basis for the quoted comparison. For me, SF is the best Bond movie after FRWL, while TWINE is a complete dud. Though not quite as complete as DAD. TWINE is a convoluted mess, while SF is a brilliant piece of moviemaking (I'm not saying perfect, but even FRWL isn't perfect). I would agree, though, that M has a larger and non-credible role than desirable in both. M shouldn't be running around in the field nor do favours for old friends while on duty.
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    For one they both have similar plots that have someone from M's past seeking revenge.
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    SharkBait wrote: »
    TWINE is very much like Craig's Skyfall.
    I share your basic fondness for TND, but I don't see the basis for the quoted comparison. For me, SF is the best Bond movie after FRWL, while TWINE is a complete dud. Though not quite as complete as DAD. TWINE is a convoluted mess, while SF is a brilliant piece of moviemaking (I'm not saying perfect, but even FRWL isn't perfect). I would agree, though, that M has a larger and non-credible role than desirable in both. M shouldn't be running around in the field nor do favours for old friends while on duty.

    Just for the record, I see that completely different.
  • edited April 2018 Posts: 2,918
    Surely the most fun era for Bond fans was the 1960s.
    01. A new Bond adventure every two years--or sometimes every year!
    02. Bond on proper missions, in definitive films that set the template for the series.
    03. All the classic elements, wielded by the original Bond team.
    04. Legendary villains with classic schemes.
    05. New Bond books by Fleming and Amis up through 1968, rather than corny novelizations of films.
    06. Classic gadgets.
    07. "James Bond Will Return in..."

    The Brosnan years perhaps felt great for those who came of age during them, and I don't want to deprive them of that nostalgia. But speaking for myself, a high schooler when GoldenEye came out, it wasn't an exciting period. To me Brosnan was a clotheshorse compared to the other Bond actors, and the films he starred in were ersatz pastiches. No major players from the classic Bond team were involved in making them, aside from Desmond Llewellyn (Cubby's involvement with GoldenEye was mostly ceremonial). Sometimes they felt more like 90s action films that happened to star James Bond; the rest of the time they felt like contrived, calculated attempts to blend the Connery and Moore eras into a crowd-pleasing product. It was an age of cubic zirconia rather than diamonds.
    By comparison the Craig years, despite their over-emphasis on personal stories and lag times between films (not entirely EON's fault), were refreshing. The series felt like it was moving into daring new territory, instead of self-pastiche (the lamentable Spectre is the exception) and had a conviction and edge missing from the bland Brosnan years. That was more "fun" than regularly receiving a formulaic product every couple of years.
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    GE and TND are definitely Brosnan's most enjoyable. GE is a modern Bond classic, and TND, while not the most original or outstanding, checks all the boxes and has a ton of fun action sequences. TWINE has some really good aspects, but also has its share of boring segments and other issues (like Christmas Jones and the dull finale). DAD turns into a total disaster after the first 30 or so minutes. I can't really see TWINE as Brosnan's SF simply because SF is so much better, but I understand there are a couple similarities.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Well said @Revelator
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    James Bond Will Return in...
    That line alone was deeply satisfying. How I miss those days.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    People have said that if you didn t like the latest film back then, the next would come out in just a couple of years. Yes, and I had hope every time during that period that the next would be better and that Brosnan would grow into the role, but it just never happened. By DAD I had finally given up. I had fun in those days, but not thanks to Bond.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think he ( @noSolaceleft and others) are referring to the earlier times when you were given the title of the next film.

    A great tradition. If that happened again, I would faint out of joy.
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