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  • Posts: 19,339
    "Governments change,the lies stay the same."
  • edited May 2018 Posts: 4,617
    But the evidence we have been given (fake according to some speculation) and, therefore, the story so far so so weird and outrageous that nobody would make it up as a cover up. If you are going for a cover up, the fake story you choose is beleivable. To make it more likely it's accepted. Thats the whole point of a cover up.

    IF its a cover up, why would they choose this particular option as something for us to believe? Flew for 6 hours (off grid) and ran out of fuel, yeah, great fake story. It's totally bizarre.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-search-how-new-satellite-data-confirmed-malaysia-airlines-plane-was-lost-20140325-hvme8.html
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    patb wrote: »
    Fairoaks also good, Popham does the best bacon baggets in the World according to my sons!

    I was at Popham on Sunday! Saved us with a very late breakfast when Thruxton was closed.

    I'm a big fan of Compton Abbas, too.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Old news you've probably heard about already, but hey, why not?

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/us/southwest-flight-957-unplanned-landing/index.html
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    patb wrote: »
    But the evidence we have been given (fake according to some speculation) and, therefore, the story so far so so weird and outrageous that nobody would make it up as a cover up. If you are going for a cover up, the fake story you choose is beleivable. To make it more likely it's accepted. Thats the whole point of a cover up.

    IF its a cover up, why would they choose this particular option as something for us to believe? Flew for 6 hours (off grid) and ran out of fuel, yeah, great fake story. It's totally bizarre.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-search-how-new-satellite-data-confirmed-malaysia-airlines-plane-was-lost-20140325-hvme8.html

    I can't help but agreeing entirely.

    If a government had shot it down accidentally (according to @bondjames and for whatever reason there was a global conspiracy between numerous governments to cover this up (that's a monumentally big if by the way) why not just say 'It was a terrorist bomb' and pick a mugshot of some poor passenger who looks a bit Muslim and blame it on him? Why convoy such a ludicrous story that leaves people asking more questions?

    If goverments can't organise Brexit coherently, something which it's far more in their interests to get right, why would you think they could pull this caper off with such slickness?

    Governments prove themselves daily to be a bunch of utterly clueless imbeciles. Every day of the week they can't do anything right but for a coverup that takes, at least, the governments of Malaysia, China, Australia, UK, US to be all involved they are bang on? Seriously? How did they coordinate all this? Did they have summit meetings where the ministers in charge of coverups all met in Reykjavik to thrash out the details of the story they would peddle?
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    RE: MH370, I just want to clarify that I don't have a competing theory. I'm just not entirely convinced of the official narrative. The idea I proposed (which I've seen bandied about) wouldn't surprise me however. I don't believe it would be the first time that has happened (wasn't there some incident in the 80's?).

    I believe they found confirmed debris from this aircraft in 2017 after the official investigation was called off (why an investigation into something of this magnitude which has repurcussions and implications for air travel would ever be called off shocks me, but that's a different question). I am not sure if the debris, which has been handed over piecemeal to the Australians and French, helps to clarify what happened to the plane or not. Again, keep in mind we only know what we read about piecemeal, because the official search is over.
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    What happens is that people interpret things into situations that are not there. So they have called off the search. So why is that worthy of speculation into a cover up? Would continuing the search mean that there is no cover up. You cant keep searching forever, all seaches have to stop at some point.

    Re the official narrative, its based on data from the UK. So , if you are not convinced by it, then, by default, you are speculating at an international cover up involving many many people (from high up to number crunching admin people).

    I think we are at a stage now that anything or anyone that goes missing is automatically connected/speculated to be a cover up (with zero evidence). Still happening with the McCann case with just mad speculation about a high profile "pedo" ring. There is no law that says we have to know everything.

  • Posts: 19,339
    It must be awful for those poor families....
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2018 Posts: 23,883
    @patb you are welcome to accept the official narrative as told. I don't lose sleep over it (and perhaps I should) but I am not convinced by what I have been told officially.

    What others choose to believe is outside my control however, and so I wouldn't want to be lumped in with those who come up with preposterous theories. I really don't have one.
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited May 2018 Posts: 18,281
    This was one that happened in Antrim, Northern Ireland recently:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43823505
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    This is from a few years ago but I still love it: Biggles story saved crash pilot
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Just today Hamburg was told it almost had a bit of déja-vu: On Friday, the pilot of a Vueling flight from Barcelona almost landed on the runway of the Airbus plant on the island of Finkenwerder in the Elbe river, instead of runway 05 of Hamburg's airport at Fuhlsbüttel, 15 km to the northeast. The flight controllers, however, guided the pilot to the correct place just in time.

    This was a reminder of what happened almost 51 years ago (yes! I remember it!), on 31st May 1967, when the founder, chief executive and chief pilot of another Spanish airline, Spantax, as the final act of a flight from Palma de Mallorca that was designed to show journalists and would-be tourists how safe and reliable the carrier was after two of their DC-3 (!!!) had crashed, erroneously landed a Convair 990 Coronado with 128 pax on the predecessor of that Airbus runway, the airstrip of what was then Hamburger Flugzeugbau GmbH. Only that today's runway is long enough for even an A 380 freighter, while the airstrip then measured only 1,360 meters, and the Coronado normally required at least 1,650 for a safe landing. Still the pilot made it, and after having the passengers disembark, their baggage unloaded and maybe some superfluous fuel pumped out, actually managed to lift the 990 off the same runway and fly the remaining five minutes or so to Fuhlsbüttel.

    The pilot, a former Iberia veteran, was lauded for his flying skills but also chastised for his lack of navigational expertise. Spantax was henceforth nicknamed Finkenwerder Airlines in Germany (as the only carrier ever to service that airport on a commercial flight), and the hop from Finkenwerder to Fuhlsbüttel is probably still the shortest flight ever to come into Hamburg Airport.

    Spantax itself was not so lucky later on. In fact, the record was pretty disastrous.
    Check the Wikipedia page on the carrier for a full list. Standout incidents: Another CV-990 on its way to Munich crashed in 1972 at Los Rodeos Airport, on Tenerife, killing 155, the worst air disaster in Spain until that collision of the KLM and Pan Am 747s in March 1977, also at Los Rodeos. In 1978, another Coronado skidded along the runway at Cologne-Bonn on its underbelly upon landing because the pilot had forgotten (!!!) to lower the landing gear - miraculously, no one was killed because the airport firefighters were there in time. Landing without landing gear was quickly designated a "Spantax landing" afterwards. The last major incident was the crash of a DC-10, destined for New York City, at Málaga, killing 50.

    Spantax went bankrupt in 1988, with the "Finkenwerder" pilot, Rodolfo Bay Wright (an aviator's name if there ever was one) having helmed it until 1986.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited August 2018 Posts: 45,489


    These stunts put Bond to shame.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    That was fantastic. I'd forgotten how much I loved those cartoons, and how much they manage to convey without a word of dialogue.

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    These stunts put Bond to shame.
    Not to mention the music.
    I said not to mention the music.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Flight 911 Mount Fuji Crash, 1966...
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    Item # 220017 | March 6, 1966

    SPRINGFIELD SUNDAY REPUBLICAN, March 6, 1966.

    * BOAC Flight 911 Mount Fuji Japan Airliner Crash


    This 50+ page newspaper has a two line, four column headline on the front page: "Crash of Airliner Nationwide Shock" with subheads that include: "Tragedy in Japan Strikes Many Homes, Costs Lives of Civic Leaders, Honeymooners" and more with realted photo. Other news of the day throughout. Minor margin wear, otherwise in good condition.
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    Background Information: BOAC Flight 911 was a round-the-world flight operated by British Overseas Airways Corporation. A Boeing 707 (registration G-APFE) operating as flight 911 crashed near Mount Fuji while flying the Tokyo-Hong Kong segment on March 5, 1966.

    Possibly with the intention of shortening the flying time to Hong Kong, the captain of the flight elected not to follow the usual southbound departure from Tokyo toward the island of Izu Oshima. Instead, he followed a more direct westbound route, passing over Mount Fuji.

    Around 2:15 PM, the aircraft encountered a burst of mountainside turbulence which was strong enough to cause the aircraft to break up in midair. The aircraft fell to the ground in the city of Gotenba.
    All 113 passengers and 11 crew members were killed in the disaster, including a group of 75 Americans on a group tour of Japan and Southeast Asia. The crash was photographed by Japan Self-Defense Forces personnel at the nearby Fuji Training Base, and 8-millimeter film taken by one of the passengers also survived the crash.

    Several passengers decided to cancel their tickets at the last moment in order to see a ninja demonstration. These passengers, Cubby Broccoli, Harry Saltzman, Ken Adams, Lewis Gilbert and Freddie Young, were in Japan scouting locations for the fifth James Bond film, You Only Live Twice.
    It was one of five fatal commercial aircraft disasters in Japan in 1966, occurring the day after Canadian Pacific Airlines flight 402 crashed and burned upon landing at Tokyo International Airport.
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    https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19660305-1
    Status: Final
    Date: Saturday 5 March 1966
    Time: 14:15
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    Type: Silhouette image of generic B704 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
    Boeing 707-436
    Operator: British Overseas Airways Corporation - BOAC
    Registration: G-APFE
    C/n / msn: 17706/113
    First flight: 1960
    Total airframe hrs: 19523
    Cycles: 6744
    Engines: 4 Rolls-Royce Conway 508
    Crew: Fatalities: 11 / Occupants: 11
    Passengers: Fatalities: 113 / Occupants: 113
    Total: Fatalities: 124 / Occupants: 124
    Aircraft damage: Destroyed
    Aircraft fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
    Location: Mount Fuji ( Japan)
    Crash site elevation: 1320 m (4331 feet) amsl
    Phase: En route (ENR)
    Nature: International Scheduled Passenger
    Departure airport: Tokyo-Haneda Airport (HND/RJTT), Japan
    Destination airport: Hong Kong-Kai Tak International Airport (HKG/VHHH), Hong Kong
    Flight number[/b]: 911

    Narrative:
    BOAC Flight 911 was a scheduled service from San Francisco (SFO) to Hong Kong (HKG) via Honolulu (HNL) and Tokyo (HND). The Boeing 707 was expected to arrive at Tokyo Airport at 16:45 on 4 March. However, due to poor meteorological conditions at Tokyo and because the precision approach radar (PAR) of the GCA was out of service, it diverted to Fukuoka (FUK) and landed there at 18:00. After staying overnight at Fukuoka, Flight 911 left for Tokyo at 11:25 and landed there at 12:43. The aircraft was prepared for the next leg to Hong Kong and a flight plan was filed for a flight in accordance with the instrument flight rules via Oshima on airway JG6 to Hong Kong at FL310.

    At 13:42 hours the crew contacted ATC requesting permission to start the engines and clearance for a VMC climb via Fuji-Rebel-Kushimoto. The aircraft left the ramp at 13:50. It was instructed to make "a right turn after take off", and departed Tokyo Airport at 13:58. After takeoff the aircraft flew over Gotemba City on a heading of approximately 298 deg at an altitude of approximately 4900 m and indicated airspeed of 320 to 370 knots. The aircraft, trailing white vapor, then suddenly lost altitude over the Takigahara area, and parts of the aircraft began to break away over Tsuchiyadai and Ichirimatsu. Finally over Tarobo at an altitude of approx. 2000 m, the forward fuselage broke away. The mid-aft fuselage together with the wing, making a slow flat spin to the right, crashed into a forest at the foot of Mount Fuji. The forward fuselage crashed into the forest approx. 300 m to the west of the above site and caught fire.

    Probable Cause:
    PROBABLE CAUSE: "The aircraft suddenly encountered abnormally severe turbulence over Gotemba City which imposed a gust load considerably in excess of the design limit."

    Classification:
    Turbulence
    Loss of control

    Sources:
    » ICAO Aircraft Accident Digest No.16 - Volume II, Circular 82-AN/69 (35-55)
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  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    40 years ago today was the crash of Air New Zealand 901.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 178061
    Last updated: 22 November 2019
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    https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/178061
    Date: 25-JUL-2015
    Time: 18:45
    Type: Silhouette image of generic BD5 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
    Bede BD-5G
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    Owner/operator: Private
    Registration: EI-DNN
    C/n / msn: HJC4523
    Fatalities: Fatalities: 1 / Occupants: 1
    Other fatalities: 0
    Aircraft damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
    Category: Accident
    Location: Garranbane, near Dungarvan, Co. Waterford - Ireland
    Phase: En route
    Nature: Private
    Departure airport: Waterford (WAT/EIWF)
    Destination airport: Shannon (SNN/EINN)
    Investigating agency: AAIU
    Narrative:
    The aircraft was on a general aviation flight from Waterford Airport, via Ardmore, to Shannon Airport. Some minutes after take-off the Pilot made a Mayday call and informed Air Traffic Control (ATC) that he had an engine fire, had lost elevator authority and would have to land in a field. A forced landing was attempted into a field at Garranbaun, Co. Waterford; this proved unsuccessful and the aircraft impacted the ground, with wreckage strewn over approximately 63 metres (m) along a general orientation of 050° magnetic.
    There was a significant post-accident ground fire. The Pilot did not survive the accident.

    Probable Cause
    1. A fire which developed in the aircraft’s engine compartment following take-off from EIWF.
    Contributory Cause(s)
    1. Loss of elevator authority.
    2. The left-hand wing impacted with a tree in a boundary hedgerow of the field in which the forced landing was attempted.

    Sources:
    1. http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT 2016-014.pdf
    2. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/light-aircraft-crashes-in-co-waterford-688189.html
    3. http://www.newstalk.com/Light-aircraft-crash-in-Waterford
    4. https://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0725/717205-light-aircraft-crash-waterford/
    5. http://www.newstalk.com/Light-aircraft-crash-in-Waterford
    6. http://web.archive.org/web/20161217180920/http://www.foynesairshow.com/programme/
    7. http://www.foynesairshow.com/the-bd5-at-foynes-2015/
    8. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Bede-BD-5G/1881961/L?sid=8c1fbd676f09c8dbc133bb4c13a2a705
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    I saw fire and smoke, I called Mayday
    but I knew he was a goner': Horrific
    moment James Bond flying expert
    died when his homemade 'Octopussy'
    mini-jet crashed
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175610/Precision-flying-expert-killed-homebuilt-version-mini-jet-immortalised-Bond-film-Octopussy-crashes-field-practice-air-show.html
    • Howard Cox's single seat BD5 crashed near Dungarvan, Co Waterford
    • 67-year-old father from Devon had spent 30 years working on the plane
    • Was practicing for the Foynes Air Show when the plane came down
    • Mr Cox had been in remission for several months after cancer battle
    By Sam Matthew for MailOnline
    Published: 22:43 EST, 26 July 2015 | Updated: 03:58 EST, 27 July 2015
    A world class precision pilot killed in an air crash was flying a homebuilt mini-jet like the one immortalised in the James Bond film Octopussy.
    Howard Cox, 67, was killed instantly when his unique single seater BD5 came down in a field near Dungarvan, Co Waterford.

    The father-of-one, who has spent 30 years working on the aircraft and was described as an experience pilot and engineer, was en route to an airshow when the crash happened.
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    Experienced aviator: Howard Cox, 67, was killed when his homebuilt mini-jet crashed into a field in Dungarvan, Co Waterford
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    The father-of-one, pictured flying his mini-jet, was described as a world-class precision pilot and an 'underestimated talent'
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    Emergency services responded to the crash, but it is thought that Mr Cox was killed instantly

    Mr Cox had been in Ireland for several days preparing for the Foynes Air Show at the Shannon Estuary, an event started last year to mark the 75th anniversary of the first transatlantic commercial passenger flights to the west of Ireland.

    Mr Cox was believed to have made a mayday call to Air Traffic Control after suffering a technical problem shortly after take-off.

    It is thought that the plane was spotted flying very low over Waterford before the accident.

    Air show director Gerry Humphreys was just behind Mr Cox in his own aircraft when he became aware his friend had a problem after smoke and flames started billowing from the engine.

    He told The Irish Herald: 'I saw the fire and the smoke. I flew over the top (of the crash site). There was nothing I could do. I called Mayday for him, and I realised he was a goner. His wife is devastated.'

    Mr Humphreys paid a tribute to his friend, who had been in remission for several months after suffering cancer.

    'He was a good guy, very unassuming, an underestimated talent in aviation and engineering circles,' Mr Humphreys told the Irish Times.

    Emergency services, including the fire brigade and coastguard raced to a field in an area of Clonea Upper, and Mr Cox's body was removed from the wreckage and taken to Waterford Regional Hospital for a post-mortem.

    A passionate engineer, Mr Cox began building his BD5 jet, which has a top speed of 200mph, while he was in digs at university.

    The plane was an international sensation in the early 1980s after being made famous when it featured in the opening sequence of the 007 hit Octopussy.

    Several hours before yesterday's crash Mr Cox had taken one of his friends John Drysdale and his two children for a flight in another vintage plane before making plans to travel to Shannon.

    Mr Drysdale, who took the last photo of Mr Cox in the air, had been waiting to meet him for a drink when news filtered through of the plane crash as he flew from Waterford.

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    Mr Cox's unique aircraft was like the one seen being flown by Roger Moore in the opening sequence of the James Bond film Octopussy
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    The aircraft became an international sensation in the 1980s after the Roger Moore film

    'He so enjoyed flying in Ireland. He loved it. Yesterday he was telling me the visibility and the scenery is so beautiful - that's how I will remember him, as an enthusiastic, joyful person. It's very, very sad,' Mr Humphreys said.

    'He had recently beaten cancer and lived everyday as a bonus, sadly he did not know he had so few.'

    Mr Cox's wife Elizabeth is a nurse and her family are originally from the Waterford area. The couple had one son, Peter, aged in his 20s.

    The BD5 James Bond style jet had been based in the south-east of Ireland for several years.

    With its red exterior and missile looks, the BD5 was to be hotly anticipated at today’s air show in Foynes.

    ‘He was going to perform a low pass over the crowd today and there would have been a screaming sound from the engine. As I understand it he didn’t do stunts in it. The plane’s sheer look and speed and it’s loudness was what enthralled people,’ said a source.

    The BD5 model is still used to imitate cruise missiles to train US Navy ship crews in the US. Designed in the early Seventies as a personal home-built ‘mini jet’, kits were sold all around the world.

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    Mr Cox was in Ireland preparing for the Foynes Air Show at the Shannon Estuary, pictured, when the crash happened

    A minute's silence was held at the Foynes Air Show with organisers dedicating the day's events in memory of the popular pilot after Mr Cox’s family had asked that yesterday’s event still go ahead despite the tragedy.

    Ireland's Air Accident Investigation Unit will be examining the cause of the crash and the investigation is expected to last one month.

    The wreckage of his BD5 Micro Jet will be removed for further examination today.

    Mr Cox is understood to have been in Ireland since last Wednesday making preparations for his appearance at the air show and inspecting other aircraft.

    He was a world class precision flying expert and began doing air show displays about 10 years ago.

    Mr Cox' BD5 was a kit build jet designed by Jim Bede.

    Several thousand were sold but few took to the skies as many engines were never completed as a factory supplying parts went bust.

    The retired ship's engineer worked on his plane for more than 30 years before making a handful of appearances in it at air shows to thrill spectators.

    Its unique power and design was said to create a thrilling take-off sensation, like being in a go-kart close to the ground, before the jet behaved like a miniature fighter plane in the air with high speed, good manoeuvrability and a great view.
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    Today is the 31st anniversary of the Lockerbie bombing. Pan Am 103.
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