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@bondjames yes, and exactly that speaks to my point. I think Bond 25 will not be like Spectre, i.e. it won't be a globetrotting action-fest which goes down well in China, but it also won't be the lightening in a bottle, stars aligning experience that SF was for much of Europe.
MI managed it after 6 attempts, and they had to deliver a franchise best effort in order to reach that benchmark. They had to pull out all the stops, and push practical effects to their limits in order to deliver something which won over enough people to cross that line.
I think when it comes to Bond, Skyfall was a complete one off, and after that people rushed out to see the follow up because they wanted to see what happens next. But I think all the air has been let out of that balloon now, and Bond 25 is still a year from release. All this time passing isn't engendering interest but apathy.
I say again, I will be impressed if Bond 25 makes 750 US. If it does 800 I will be blown away.
I think we're certainly coming from different corners of the ring on this one, as I see plenty of positive curiosity about Bond 25 online at the moment; at least the normal amount of curiosity considering we don't have a cast or even a title yet. It'd be worth bearing in mind that interest in MI6 prior to the film's release only really skyrocketed after Cruise's injury and the first trailer. Once we have news and trailers, we'll be able to gauge it better.
I will say that it's equally premature to write off a $750-800million return when you look at some of the films that have reached that benchmark since the release of SP. If the films is in any way good, I think it'll manage it easily. As you said above, all the Bonds are popular, Craig is no different. The break may have the opposite effect - hype could skyrocket closer to the time.
I really do get the feeling a slightly negative attitude towards the DC era is colouring your words a bit. I don't mean that confrontationally, it's just an observation. I didn't like SP either.
Mind you, I don't even know why I'm here in this thread. I don't give a hoot about Box Office anymore. I would certainly say the $1billion is out of the question.
Well said, sir. Thank you.
Again, more calm reason and observation on your part. Again, well said.
That's fine, we're all entitled to our own point of view. Although I don't think my view is coloured by my thoughts about Craig, since as I stated earlier, my predictions were very optimistic for SP. You can check the old thread if you like (or perhaps to save time, just ask @DaltonCraig007 for the screen shots)
No, that's okay. I take your word on that. I retract that part of my statement in that case. I think then we've just got opposing views on what's realistic here - and that's probably down to my circles being far more enthusiastic than yours. That's just how it is!
Also, thank you @peter
Absolutely. There's serious potential for Bond 25 to have a campaign like no entry we've had before.
Outside of Bond's typical November release window, the April date is the most BO viable.
February was a really niche window. It may have seemed odd, but there was a very good chance that Bond could have dominated that month and stayed in theatres longer due to a lack of other big films till the spring.
Now, Bond 25 is coming out in the spring. This is a big Universal weekend. It's where they have usually slotted in their Fast & Furious films over the last few years. Supposedly, the logic behind delaying the new Fast film was due to the crowded Easter weekend in China (that is a market where Fast dominates).
Bond 25 will get an early-summer-season box-office boost in April. It's a peak 'on-season' release for a blockbuster. Also, since it took Fast's slot, there is nothing scheduled by the other studios who all wanted to avoid the Vin Diesel behemoth. So bond practically as April 2020 to himself.
I know of course they always do (nobody sets out to make a mediocre Bond film), but I sense an extra keenness to this one since it is 99% sure Craig's final outing as Bond (I do think so), will seal his tenure and story arc, and also because of Spectre not being as well perceived.
I never expected Spectre to equal Skyfall in box office, actually. I think longtime Bond fans have a lot more critical eye for the films, but that the general public sure don't - they want to be entertained. The general public definitely enjoyed Spectre a lot.
Anyway, I think the date change is a positive (except for our wait) and if they follow this up along later with great marketing, it should be launched spectacularly.
Can’t believe you resurrected this turd of a thread.
@SaintMark get a reality check
No just having a laugh about the idea of predicting a box-office number when the production has just started, my suggestion is just a daft as any serious discussion at this time. ;) (your reaction proves it)
@SaintMark ok?
problem is some reason bond doesn't do well enough domestically if they could get those numbers up.