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Bond used to be Big in Japan.
Yup. We should also expect it to overtake KONG vs GODZILLA, which would bump it to #5.
However, it’ll probably be knocked down a spot by SPIDER-MAN as that’s a far more popular title than all the other Marvel films.
All in all, NTTD is doing very well given all of the factors.
but there is more to it. Halloween a crap B movie made almost as much and venom 2 made 90 opening weekend. This underperformance from bond is a symptom of youth not coming out to see it. The question is why? have they not marketed it well enough to them, is it because there are few bond toys/ video games. Is it because of the long intervals between films?
Having bond being largely miserable and adult orientated for a generation probably doesn’t help. (I like Craig btw, but I can’t think I would have liked it when I was 13
Agree 100%. What someone said earlier about the younger audience viewership going from 40% to 20% from Spectre to NTTD is very concerning.
Probably not. None of the Craig era games were super successful, yet his first 4 films still sold very well.
The games helped Brosnan's Bond career. 1995-2004 were the early and formative years of first person shooter games. The technology was there to make them and there wasn't a lot of competition. So game that did the basic fundamentals of a shooter games were successful and influenced the genre.
But in the 2010's and 2020's, shooter games are abundant and that space is really competitive. Many games flop and you need to really stand out.
I think this is one of the main reasons. Spectre came fresh off the heels of Skyfall's massive success. But with NTTD, we're 9 years apart from that wave.
6 years of inactivity in today's day and age is like an eternity.
Also, the decision to make every film a sequel instead of a standalone. This may not have not been an issue if they were closer together. But 15 year gap between Casino Royale and NTTD; how people under age 20 have been following Bond for that long?
But would I have loved it so at 14 years old, the age I first saw TSWLM in the cinema and sat thru it, joyfully, 7 times in the summer of '77?
Possibly ... but definitely score one for Rog here. And for the light-hearted, fantasy element of Bond.
That said, they have a great opportunity to grab the next generation's youth with introduction of a new Bond. I suspect they have this in mind.
Edit: I do also agree that the spacing of the films also hurts youth viewership. As a fan who understands there is likely a lot more to consider, I feel like 3-4 years between films strikes the balance between keeping people engaged in the franchise and keep Bond films as "an event" and not burning the series out.
I agree with most of this. I loved Roger Moore in my teens and probably would have liked Craig, perhaps not as much. As a contemporary in age, I prefer Craig now and probably wouldn't react to Moore as positively at this age.
My wife would probably rank Craig last among the Bonds for sex appeal, but enjoys the more mature themed films he has made. As a teenager, Craig would've been just an old man to her and the darker movies less appealing.
My kids are in their 20's. They have little connection to the Bond franchise and zero connection to Craig. And that's with growing up with a dad known to be a huge Bond fan. My daughter literally asked me "is that old guy still playing Bond?" But, they love Bourne, Watchmen, Reacher and others in addition to their obsession with Harry Potter, Star Wars, Marvel and Game of Thrones. I think they are probably typical of the young crowd and it is just a variety of factors that makes Bond not resonate with them.
Agree. They are holding back Top Gun again, trying to gamble that the pandemic is going to stabilize and the theaters are going to be full. EON/MGM was fully aware they were probably looking at a break-even proposition going ahead with the October release. I think they just accepted it as a business decision and said "let's just get it over with, take our hit and get moving on with something that will be profitable."
Someone constantly struggling with the death of someone they knew for two weeks 15 years ago, never having fun and fer Wally being “emotional” (Christ I hate the term) make for good adult movies, but not young people. Make him likeable, cool, suave, funny, daring, successful, celebratory. But still a killer when he needs to be.
Roger and Sean’s films are all a lot of fun.
Films are making money though.The likes of Venom 2 is going to end up making close to what the first film made and the likes of Shang-Chi and Halloween Kills are already profitable.I think they are making a mistake delaying Top Gun 2 as it’s already even more delayed than NTTD.I agree that the Bond people realised this was the best time to release their film given the circumstances and know that they are going to lose money on it.Not much else they can do but accept the reality of the situation,blame the pandemic,and move on.
But they will earn money with streaming, Blu-Ray, TV-rights etc. aswell. In the end this movie will be profitable.
Based upon the past performances of Craig's films in the US, NTTD's middling performance is an outlier that can be placed at the feet of COVID-19. The whole situation is unfortunate but, to be sure, if NTTD is underperforming then so did F9, Black Widow and Shang-Chi.
Let's look at it this way, NTTD will earn nearly $600 million before hitting China or Australia. NTTD has already posted franchise bests in Hong Kong and Japan. Given the lack of Western competition this year, NTTD may see some real growth in China. NTTD has a real shot of being the number two or three biggest Hollywood film of the year. Let that sink in. After six years, a pandemic and coming off an unpopular predecessor, NTTD is still one of the biggest films of the year worldwide. Sure, NTTD may not break even at the box office but there's a chance that none of these franchise films will break even at the box office.
The pandemic didn't destroy theaters but it did unseat the supremacy of the US box office. If NTTD earns $750M worldwide with a US gross of 150+/-, then imagine what it could do in a couple years with a new Bond and an uninhibited theatrical run.
Thanks @CraterGuns.
And you had the nerve to call me a bully.
:))
I never called you a bully. I said you were contentious. Being a bully implies some form of power over the other person and all you seem to be capable of is posting laughing smilies and being generally unpleasant.
And of course NTTD is not a flop.
You are forgetting what you wrote now, dear boy. Just to remind you...
Whereas you are the most pleasant member on here. I haven't seen you have a single clash with anyone else, or throw insults, or personal attacks. ;)