NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    "They were dealing with Bond!"
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    It looks like Bond will lead the UK boxoffice for the fourth straight weekend, despite the release of Dune.

    Keeping the British end up!

    That is very good news Indeed.

    It's gonna be tough for Bond tho since Dune's opening day Thursday came in just 6% below NTTD on the same day in the market.
  • 9IW9IW
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    matt_u wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    It looks like Bond will lead the UK boxoffice for the fourth straight weekend, despite the release of Dune.

    Keeping the British end up!

    That is very good news Indeed.

    It's gonna be tough for Bond tho since Dune's opening day Thursday came in just 6% below NTTD on the same day in the market.

    Dune is getting good word of mouth recommendations in the US, at least on the sites I frequent. Should be pretty strong opening. Still think Bond holds steady in the 12-13 million range for the weekend. Halloween is, uhh, dying.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Is the expectation that Bond or Halloween will take the number two spot behind Dune?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think Bond will be #3 for the weekend.
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    No matter what, with seven viewings under my belt plus my parents this last time and the four people I went with at one of the other viewings, I'd say I've more than done my part to keep the British end up :)) :)) :))
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Impressive! I’ve seen it fourth times - bringing my girlfriend one time as well - and I’m planning a fifth and final one. NTTD is getting close to become the highest grossing film of the year in Italy, and beside the fact I’d love to see it one more time, I’d like to help for a final push lol. :D
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    No matter what, with seven viewings under my belt plus my parents this last time and the four people I went with at one of the other viewings, I'd say I've more than done my part to keep the British end up :)) :)) :))

    That's the spirit. I saw SF five times and SP twice and it looks like NTTD will only get two theatrical viewings from me, despite it being my clear and undeniable favorite of the three.
  • Two theatrical views for me as well! Hoping to see Dune this weekend. I'm looking forward to watch NTTD again, at home.
  • I'm a huge fan of Dune the novel -- but I'm not sure it's it's very accessible to a general movie audience. No dog in this fight for me -- but I wouldn't be surprised if it falls short of #1 status this week.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    A group of my friends are seeing Eternals in a couple weeks. I have no interest in that so I told them I'd join but head over to Bond instead!
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    I can't even get a ticket for Bond tomorrow night with my husband (We are in UK). It'll be next weekend for us (and my fourth time).
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    I mentioned before that the box office has collapsed under coronavirus. Dune is to expected to open with 30 million which is very low. If things don't improve, more and more films will be streaming releases. Dune is a streaming and theatrical release. It's unlikely to make enough to warrant Warner Bros making part 2 but let's wait and see.

    I would say at it's 50:50 Bond 26 will be a theatrical release. Coronavirus has not gone, and vaccine rollout accepted, not enough people are going back to the cinemas. It's impossible to say when or if things will get better. My guess is 2021 is the beginning of the end of cinema. Streaming will win against cinema just like cd beat tape and records, and streaming beat cd. History is in the making.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Dune getting mixed reviews in U.S. from what I glanced at the other day. It's definitely not the kind of film (just my opinion) that general audiences will flock to.

    Bond will continue in a respectable box office draw for some time in countries other than the U.S. I am really pleased with how well NTTD is doing during a pandemic.

    There is no equivalent experience to seeing a film you love on the big screen, whether IMAX or just a huge cinema screen. Going to movies in a theater is not at all dead. Bond 26 will be fine; we have a lot to look forward to.
  • It should already be near CR and QOS numbers before it even plays in China. So between $650m-$700m looks very realistic.
  • Britain keeping Bond going as always.
  • 9IW9IW
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    Ryan wrote: »
    Is the expectation that Bond or Halloween will take the number two spot behind Dune?

    Dune $40MM, Halloween $16MM, NTTD $13MM seems to be the consensus. That feels a little high for all three for me. 35/13/12 for the weekend is my guess. Dune is scoring really well with IMAX. If that holds through the weekend, that 40 number might actually be a little low. Halloween may be stronger than I think, but I'm predicting a faster fade than others. I give NTTD a fair chance to be number 2 this weekend and hope I am right.
  • M16_Cart wrote: »
    Also, where’s Craig’s Goldeneye 64 for his generation of young gamers to get them interested in 007 again?

    Not a fair comparison. Brosnan's era (1995-2004) coincidence with the infancy of 3D shooter games. There was very little competition, so Goldeneye being released back then was revolutionary. But today there's thousands of them, and it's really hard to stand out. Even if a great very good game is made, it won't have the impact Goldeneye back then.




    Direct movie tie in video games like that are pretty much a thing of the past now too. When a franchise is licenced out now, it tends to be a completely original take (like the Batman Arkham games, or the upcoming original Bond game). A Bond game with Craig’s face on it now would just look cheap to most people. Even Bloodstone (a decent game that did a pretty good job of capturing the early Craig era) didn’t do very well, because movie tie ins were dying out by that point.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    I mentioned before that the box office has collapsed under coronavirus. Dune is to expected to open with 30 million which is very low. If things don't improve, more and more films will be streaming releases. Dune is a streaming and theatrical release. It's unlikely to make enough to warrant Warner Bros making part 2 but let's wait and see.

    I would say at it's 50:50 Bond 26 will be a theatrical release. Coronavirus has not gone, and vaccine rollout accepted, not enough people are going back to the cinemas. It's impossible to say when or if things will get better. My guess is 2021 is the beginning of the end of cinema. Streaming will win against cinema just like cd beat tape and records, and streaming beat cd. History is in the making.

    Nah. That's nonsense. TV couldn't keep us from going to the theatre. Neither could home video, the Internet, 3D goggles,... Just look at how quickly many have gone back despite COVID. There's something about cinema that you can't experience at home. That's why football fans still pay for a ticket to a football match when they could just watch the game at home. That's why art lovers actually visit a museum instead of looking up pictures on the Internet. Cinema will not be so quickly dismissed. No need to write its obituary just yet.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    If streaming was truly more profitable than cinemas, we would have seen cinema’s death a lot quicker.

    HBO Max won’t be streaming premiere films in 2022. Why? Because WB realized online revenue has not come close to the box office. Look how Disney abandoned its $30 premiere access after experimenting with it from MULAN to BLACK WIDOW.

    Studios are gonna be working very hard for the next several years to get cinemas back into the shape they were prior 2020. Until online revenue reaches the profitability of what the box office was at its height, cinema is far from dead.
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    If streaming was truly more profitable than cinemas, we would have seen cinema’s death a lot quicker.

    HBO Max won’t be streaming premiere films in 2022. Why? Because WB realized online revenue has not come close to the box office. Look how Disney abandoned its $30 premiere access after experimenting with it from MULAN to BLACK WIDOW.

    Studios are gonna be working very hard for the next several years to get cinemas back into the shape they were prior 2020. Until online revenue reaches the profitability of what the box office was at its height, cinema is far from dead.
    Agree with this ^. Easier for folks to spend $ at the theatre too. Something to do. Gas prices are high in the US, and our Econ is not the best-people have less disposable income. Could be impacting the box office, along with Covid.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m looking at blockbuster films that were shot during COVID-19, and it’s interesting.

    THE BATMAN is reported to have a budget of $100m. Sure that’s still a lot of money, but that’s considerably lower than past DC films. BATMAN BEGINS was $150m in 2005. BATMAN & ROBIN was $160m in 1997. You have to go back to 1995’s BATMAN FOREVER to match the dollar amount and that is no doubt much more expensive if you adjust for inflation.

    It’ll be interesting to actually see this more stripped down version of Batman. We may see it with Bond 26.
  • RC7RC7
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    I’m looking at blockbuster films that were shot during COVID-19, and it’s interesting.

    THE BATMAN is reported to have a budget of $100m. Sure that’s still a lot of money, but that’s considerably lower than past DC films. BATMAN BEGINS was $150m in 2005. BATMAN & ROBIN was $160m in 1997. You have to go back to 1995’s BATMAN FOREVER to match the dollar amount and that is no doubt much more expensive if you adjust for inflation.

    It’ll be interesting to actually see this more stripped down version of Batman. We may see it with Bond 26.

    Yeah, I’m expecting this.
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    Casino Royale cost the least, and was the best (imo). You can do a great movie for less. Just tell a captivating story (preferably without killing off the protagonist). ; )
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    Has anyone seen the mandolorian behind the scenes documentaries about the 360° video sets. Not the answer to everything but would save a huge chunk of money going down that route for some scenes
  • RC7 wrote: »
    I’m looking at blockbuster films that were shot during COVID-19, and it’s interesting.

    THE BATMAN is reported to have a budget of $100m. Sure that’s still a lot of money, but that’s considerably lower than past DC films. BATMAN BEGINS was $150m in 2005. BATMAN & ROBIN was $160m in 1997. You have to go back to 1995’s BATMAN FOREVER to match the dollar amount and that is no doubt much more expensive if you adjust for inflation.

    It’ll be interesting to actually see this more stripped down version of Batman. We may see it with Bond 26.

    Yeah, I’m expecting this.

    Yup. I’m expecting The Batman to be a massive critical/commercial success and I think EON will take their cues from that and set a similar course (not quite so grim, obviously, Batman lends itself more to the relentless darkness than Bond), but the Craig era certainly laid down the groundwork for a more stripped back iteration that maintains the strong artistic vision. Barbara’s mantra has been “When in doubt, go back to Fleming.” and I think this type of approach would be suited to that way of thinking.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    I’m looking at blockbuster films that were shot during COVID-19, and it’s interesting.

    THE BATMAN is reported to have a budget of $100m. Sure that’s still a lot of money, but that’s considerably lower than past DC films. BATMAN BEGINS was $150m in 2005. BATMAN & ROBIN was $160m in 1997. You have to go back to 1995’s BATMAN FOREVER to match the dollar amount and that is no doubt much more expensive if you adjust for inflation.

    It’ll be interesting to actually see this more stripped down version of Batman. We may see it with Bond 26.

    Yeah, I’m expecting this.

    Yup. I’m expecting The Batman to be a massive critical/commercial success and I think EON will take their cues from that and set a similar course (not quite so grim, obviously, Batman lends itself more to the relentless darkness than Bond), but the Craig era certainly laid down the groundwork for a more stripped back iteration that maintains the strong artistic vision. Barbara’s mantra has been “When in doubt, go back to Fleming.” and I think this type of approach would be suited to that way of thinking.

    I do like the idea of stripping it down again. They could even go as far as setting the film in one location, that’s something we haven’t seen for a long time.

    You could even skip London too, as someone on here once suggested. Set the film in one location. Start with a Bondless PTS kicking the plot into gear, then after the titles the first scene could be him getting off a plane and driving somewhere from the airport, already on his mission. Strips things down, makes him more of an enigma again, saves money, and gives us some cool sequel hooks (what’s the new MI6 crew like? What’s this enigmatic Bond like back in London?).
  • I still Bonds death is the ballsiest thing EON has ever done. And I applaud them for doing so as nice as it would have been for him to live happily ever after with family
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    Even if NTTD makes 700 million.It’s still a financial flop.Remember that no matter how much money they make in China,they only get to keep about a quarter of that.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Even if NTTD makes 700 million.It’s still a financial flop.Remember that no matter how much money they make in China,they only get to keep about a quarter of that.

    Exactly
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