NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    In new that is sure to delight Eon, Cathy Yan has confirmed that the WB/DC film ‘Bird of Prey’ will be R rated.
    https://heroichollywood.com/birds-of-prey-cathy-yan-r-rating/

    Obviously, this is a fairly big deal as it will mean that the film will limit its audiences. It may have the ‘Deadpool’ effect and really cross-over, but going into its second week, it should loose steam which will leave enough room for Bond to post some big numbers.

    Plus, international audiences aren’t quite as excited by R rated fare, but they love Bond. So Bond shouldn’t have much trouble from this film outside North America. However, I wouldn’t say that ‘Birds of Prey’ isn’t a risk anymore, it could still hurt Bond’s box office (but perhaps not fatally).

    Plus, Margot Robbie is a Capital A-list Movie Star.

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    I wouldn't be too worried about it. Between the R rating, Margot Robbie and Harley Quinn are the only things going for it right now.
  • Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.
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    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.

    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.
  • Posts: 17,756
    vzok wrote: »
    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.

    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.

    Might seem strange to some, but that might actually happen at some point.
  • vzok wrote: »
    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.

    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.

    Might seem strange to some, but that might actually happen at some point.

    We may be closer than you think...

    I don't think we would see traditional theatrical windows disappear, but the Netflix model has been so monumentally successful that other studios are growing envious.

    Disney have stated they will start their own rival streaming service (with original content alongside their library) and Warner are going to launch one, etc. So, whilst we might not see Bond debut on a streaming service, the digital download may go to a studio streaming service shortly after theatrical release.

    However....If there was one major franchise I could see striking a deal with Netflix it would be Bond.

    The Bond franchise is a little nomadic - it has no studio home. Bond 26 may move to a streaming giant (Eon talked to both Amazon and Apple for Bond 25). Personally, I think the idea is quite cool.



    Also, Cary Fukunaga has had two major projects at Netflix. So Eon are paying a lot of attention to the studio. Plus, they have a huge amount of disposal cash to make a very lavish film. If any studio would pay to getting the perfect Bond film, it would be Netflix.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 17,756
    Netflix have streaming rights for Bond too (or had?), so that's another factor. I agree that the idea is interesting; if there's one franchise that could make the jump, it's Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.
    Something they will have to be mindful with re: the February release date is the audience for Bond. It skews older. I know for a fact that SF, which was a phenomenon with many return viewings, benefited tremendously from the Christmas window because children took their older parents (and sometimes grandparents) to see it (I did as well). It was a sort of holiday event that surpassed the disappointing Hobbit. Such an opportunity won't exist with that February timeframe. Additionally, Bond films tend to perform very well over the holiday timeframe in general, with many viewers waiting until then to view it. There is a sort of tradition here which has been built up.

    Finally, there is also the weather. In some areas it will be particularly cold and wintery during that timeframe, which may also reduce viewings.
  • Posts: 17,756
    bondjames wrote: »
    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.
    Something they will have to be mindful with re: the February release date is the audience for Bond. It skews older. I know for a fact that SF, which was a phenomenon with many return viewings, benefited tremendously from the Christmas window because children took their older parents (and sometimes grandparents) to see it (I did as well). It was a sort of holiday event that surpassed the disappointing Hobbit. Such an opportunity won't exist with that February timeframe. Additionally, Bond films tend to perform very well over the holiday timeframe in general, with many viewers waiting until then to view it. There is a sort of tradition here which has been built up.

    Finally, there is also the weather. In some areas it will be particularly cold and wintery during that timeframe, which may also reduce viewings.

    I see your point, @bondjames. Any film can benefit from the Christmas period, which shouldn't be underestimated.

    Norway is usually cold during January/February, but I have never heard about that affecting box office; cinema is usually popular during the winter months and periods of bad weather (as far as I know) – a rainy summer for example is good news for the cinemas.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    There are a some who have deemed Bond's move to Feb 2020 with a slight dubious mood. I've heard some refer to it as 'off season' as the early months were usually reserved by studios to offload titles they have little faith in.

    However, times are changing and if the product is good enough, people will come. This is most evident in the world of streaming. The most talked about film at the moment I'm writing this post is Black Mirror: Bandersnatch. It's a 'must-see film' and Netflix gave audiences 24 hours notice and social media and the internet has erupted.

    In a world we are saturated with content, I think a Bond film will always rise to the top - but if you give the film a clear run in Feb 2020 we could be looking at a positive and possibly permanent move for the franchise.
    Something they will have to be mindful with re: the February release date is the audience for Bond. It skews older. I know for a fact that SF, which was a phenomenon with many return viewings, benefited tremendously from the Christmas window because children took their older parents (and sometimes grandparents) to see it (I did as well). It was a sort of holiday event that surpassed the disappointing Hobbit. Such an opportunity won't exist with that February timeframe. Additionally, Bond films tend to perform very well over the holiday timeframe in general, with many viewers waiting until then to view it. There is a sort of tradition here which has been built up.

    Finally, there is also the weather. In some areas it will be particularly cold and wintery during that timeframe, which may also reduce viewings.

    I see your point, @bondjames. Any film can benefit from the Christmas period, which shouldn't be underestimated.

    Norway is usually cold during January/February, but I have never heard about that affecting box office; cinema is usually popular during the winter months and periods of bad weather (as far as I know) – a rainy summer for example is good news for the cinemas.
    That's true I suppose. I never thought about it that way. I know the numbers for February are generally lower than other periods, but then again it hasn't traditionally been a time when blockbusters are released - I realize that's changing though. Black Panther brought out a lot of folks in droves stateside (the film didn't do quite as well comparably in other markets) this year, but it skewed younger than a Bond film would in audience demographic.

    It will be interesting to see how this new release date works. The film will need some enticing hooks - either cast, title song or plot - preferably all three.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 17,756
    February really is an odd month for blockbusters. It can be very clever releasing Bond 25 then, but it could also be a gamble. I guess the audiences that usually go to watch the Bond films whenever they are released (not specifically thinking of fans here), won't be too bothered whether its November or February.

    The advantage with a February release date is that they can go heavy on marketing during the Christmas period, when a lot of people go to the cinema anyway.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited December 2018 Posts: 10,591
    February really is an odd month for blockbusters. It can be very clever releasing Bond 25 then, but it could also be a gamble. I guess the audiences that usually go to watch the Bond films whenever they are released (not specifically thinking of fans here), won't be too bothered whether its November or February.

    The advantage with a February release date is that they can go heavy on marketing during the Christmas period, when a lot of people go to the cinema anyway.
    Very true.

    Regarding marketing, I'm predicting the theatrical trailer will almost definitely be attached to Universal's Hobbs & Shaw in August '19.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    February used to be a time when studios dumped their rejects.

    But with summer blockbusters opening earlier and earlier, February has now become quite a strategic month to release a tentpole.

    James Bond, on Valentine's Day, 2020, will be fine.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    jake24 wrote: »
    February really is an odd month for blockbusters. It can be very clever releasing Bond 25 then, but it could also be a gamble. I guess the audiences that usually go to watch the Bond films whenever they are released (not specifically thinking of fans here), won't be too bothered whether its November or February.

    The advantage with a February release date is that they can go heavy on marketing during the Christmas period, when a lot of people go to the cinema anyway.
    Very true.

    Regarding marketing, I'm predicting the theatrical trailer will almost definitely be attached to Universal's Hobbs & Shaw in August '19.
    I forgot that was a Universal release. I think you're right. One more reason among many to look forward to that film.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    vzok wrote: »
    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.

    My longtime idea is EON release an IMAX short feature between the regular missions. It's a natural. They could even film it when their production team is assembled for the major film.

    Netflix, almost as good.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Doesn't MGM have a streaming service it's trying to build out? EPIX? Or is that subscription cable? I'd imagine Bond films as exclusive content would be a compelling way to bring in viewers to a subscription. Disney is doing something similar with Disney + to launch next year.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    vzok wrote: »
    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.

    My longtime idea is EON release an IMAX short feature between the regular missions. It's a natural. They could even film it when their production team is assembled for the major film.

    That's a great idea, but I'm not expecting it to happen.

    Does anyone know when will they reveal what the budget is for Bond 25? That might tell us about their box office expectations.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    vzok wrote: »
    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.

    My longtime idea is EON release an IMAX short feature between the regular missions. It's a natural. They could even film it when their production team is assembled for the major film.

    That's a great idea, but I'm not expecting it to happen.

    Does anyone know when will they reveal what the budget is for Bond 25? That might tell us about their box office expectations.
    Budgets are never revealed until after the films are released. SP was an exception due to the Sony leaks.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    It's a good point about the budget. More importantly, we don't know what kind of arrangement MGM has with Universal and Annapurna. The deal structuring & the splits will impact the break-even point. It has to get cut four ways this time, with EON getting a piece too. Exchange rates will play a part, particularly since they've been wonky and volatile over the past year and Bond films generate most of their revenue outside the US where profitability is weaker.

    Something tells me they aren't chasing bigger this time around, but we shall see.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 4,409
    February really is an odd month for blockbusters. It can be very clever releasing Bond 25 then, but it could also be a gamble. I guess the audiences that usually go to watch the Bond films whenever they are released (not specifically thinking of fans here), won't be too bothered whether its November or February.

    The advantage with a February release date is that they can go heavy on marketing during the Christmas period, when a lot of people go to the cinema anyway.

    Deadpool was released on February 14, 2016 and made $783,112,979 worldwide.
    Black Panther was released on February 16, 2018 and made $1,346,913,161 worldwide.

    With the summer window getting wider, February has become the new strategic month to release blockbusters.

    Bond on Valentines Day 2020 will be a huge sell. Plus it gets it out of the overly crammed 2019 holiday season. According to THR, they were considering a similar move even if Danny Boyle stayed on as director.

    I'm surprised to not find too much antipathy to Bond on a streaming platform. Personally, I could see it happening. We would still get a small cinema window but the buzz would be deafening if it went online within days of release.
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    February really is an odd month for blockbusters. It can be very clever releasing Bond 25 then, but it could also be a gamble. I guess the audiences that usually go to watch the Bond films whenever they are released (not specifically thinking of fans here), won't be too bothered whether its November or February.

    The advantage with a February release date is that they can go heavy on marketing during the Christmas period, when a lot of people go to the cinema anyway.

    Deadpool was released on February 14, 2016 and made $783,112,979 worldwide.
    Black Panther was released on February 16, 2018 and made $1,346,913,161 worldwide.

    With the summer window getting wider, February has become the new strategic month to release blockbusters.

    Good point – although that's just two blockbuster films (there are probably a few others too). But traditionally we haven't seen February as a "blockbuster month". It's a release month worth exploring for sure.
    Bond on Valentines Day 2020 will be a huge sell. Plus it gets it out of the overly crammed 2019 holiday season. According to THR, they were considering a similar move even if Danny Boyle stayed on as director.

    I'm surprised to not find too much antipathy to Bond on a streaming platform. Personally, I could see it happening. We would still get a small cinema window but the buzz would be deafening if it went online within days of release.

    It's interesting if they already considered the February move with Boyle. EON will no doubt have seen what moving the release date away from the Christmas period can do (with those two films you mentioned).

    Absolutely agree re. Bond on a streaming platform. It's really all just about how they manage it – how close to a theatrical release should a streaming release be – and on which streaming service. I think EON could benefit from aiming at a solution like this before everyone else does it. They could gain a lot of publicity from being the first franchise to really make the jump.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    February really is an odd month for blockbusters. It can be very clever releasing Bond 25 then, but it could also be a gamble. I guess the audiences that usually go to watch the Bond films whenever they are released (not specifically thinking of fans here), won't be too bothered whether its November or February.

    The advantage with a February release date is that they can go heavy on marketing during the Christmas period, when a lot of people go to the cinema anyway.

    Deadpool was released on February 14, 2016 and made $783,112,979 worldwide.
    Black Panther was released on February 16, 2018 and made $1,346,913,161 worldwide.

    With the summer window getting wider, February has become the new strategic month to release blockbusters.

    Bond on Valentines Day 2020 will be a huge sell. Plus it gets it out of the overly crammed 2019 holiday season. According to THR, they were considering a similar move even if Danny Boyle stayed on as director.

    I'm surprised to not find too much antipathy to Bond on a streaming platform. Personally, I could see it happening. We would still get a small cinema window but the buzz would be deafening if it went online within days of release.

    You know, I'm not surprised at the possibility of Bond being on a streaming service like Netflix hasn't been met with much outrage or resistance because imo I feel like the overall cinema experience as great as it still can be has taken a huge nose dive. Costa are going up, people have some seriously impressive tech in their homes for a great movie viewing experience and streaming content have production values on par with traditional theatrical releases and most of all, the viewing experience can be a lot more enjoyable and at the very least a lot more convenient.

    As I really REALLY think about it I personally wouldn't be fussed if Bond was no longer released in cinemas but to be streamed instead. SF was the biggest Bond movie in over 30 years (probably) and I've found that shows like Line of Duty was more talked about than SF ever was in my work place and within my varied circle of friends.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    But, it would lose its touch if the franchise omits theatrical releases. One of the pleasantries about Bond is that it's still a cinematic product rather than direct-to-video, plus it's some sort of an event happenstance once a new entry in the series comes out. I don't think Netflix is going to do Bond wonders. Although, I wouldn't mind a separate Netflix TV series based on the Fleming novels.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating for Bond to exclusively be on streaming, I'm just saying I personally wouldn't mind it. You're right in that Bond is cinematic and Bond these days is now more of an event film than ever before given the frequency at which the films come out.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    jake24 wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    I wonder if one day they will do something exclusive for Bond on Netflix.

    My longtime idea is EON release an IMAX short feature between the regular missions. It's a natural. They could even film it when their production team is assembled for the major film.

    That's a great idea, but I'm not expecting it to happen.

    Does anyone know when will they reveal what the budget is for Bond 25? That might tell us about their box office expectations.
    Budgets are never revealed until after the films are released. SP was an exception due to the Sony leaks.

    Thanks. I didn't know that.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Very interesting article concerning the box office prospects of Glass which is opening in Jan 2019:
    https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/glass-box-office-opening-weekend-m-night-shyamalan-1203095882/

    It's early estimates are at $70-75 with many saying that it could go higher.

    This would be the same as Spectre's opening weekend in the USA back in November 2015. Glass is the only 'event film' to open in Jan 2019 and if it gets good reviews, it's likely that it'll meet those projections.

    Glass is getting destroyed by critics. Below 40% on both Rottentomatoes and Metacritic.
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    The critics can kiss my behind, that is as much I trust a critic these days.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    The critics can kiss my behind, that is as much I trust a critic these days.

    Amen. Same to Rotten Tomatoes as well. People trust that website too much.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    They're always interesting indicators, but yes, anyone who determines their viewing schedule based solely off of what random critics tell them is certainly bound to miss out on a lot of good stuff.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Considering the almost violently negative reception it received, VENOM was a huge success. I'm not expecting GLASS to hit those numbers obviously, but after the impact SPLIT had, I think it'll do pretty well.
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    I am not really concerned about box office numbers to be honest. Practice has shown that the size of the production budget is not really linked with the quality of the finished film. Furthermore the Bond films that have turned out to be super hits at the BO have almost without exception been followed up by a lazy film that simply tries to copy what the previous film did well. A tighter budget which requires more creative output as well as motivation to follow a less succesfull film with a good one, has always been the best recipe for succes through out the franchise's history.

    I pray to god that Bond 25 turns out to be a great film. Wether it beats SW or Frozen for BO numbers I couldn't care less about to be honest...
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