"I don t drink...wine."- The Dracula Thread

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    The Langella Dracula is one of my favorites actually. I remember NBC's first airing in 1981. I always thought Frank looked cool in the costume. I saw it in a revival cinema in the mid '80's as well.
    I wish I had kept my original VHS edition, as the DVD and Blu-rays have the John Badham color revision. Extremely muted colors, whereas the cinema edition had a warm golden look. That said, the various earlier VHS editions were color timed differently as well. Some looking more rich and golden than others.
    As far as romantic Dracula films go, I'll take this over the Coppola version any day.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    THE MONSTER SQUAD (1987) is a juvenile comedy directed by Fred Dekker, featuring the so called Universal monsters, led by Dracula (Duncan Regehr).
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    THE MONSTER SQUAD (1987) is a juvenile comedy directed by Fred Dekker, featuring the so called Universal monsters, led by Dracula (Duncan Regehr).
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    I saw this in the cinema in 1987. Kind of a Little Rascals meet The Monsters concept. Very funny in parts, but what I appreciate most is the representation of these classic characters.
    The Frankenstein Monster (Tom Noonan) looks great. The filmmakers couldn't copy Jack Pierce's makeup up due to Universal owning that look, but it's a pretty good compromise.

    I love that they avoided making him Hulk green and went for dead flesh tones. So many representations of the classic Frankenstein Monster incorrectly depict him as green it's long become the norm.

    Actually, it's a little known fact the make up Jack Pierce used on the various actors who portrayed the Monster was a Max Factor greasepaint called "sky-gray". A non gloss blue/gray tint that only looked greenish under certain lighting. More teal than green. Pierce used the same greasepaint years later for the color film CREATION OF THE HUMANOIDS, and THAT is the correct color of the Frankenstein Monster in those films.


    Tom Noonan was great here, though as was Duncanr Regehr's Dracula. He had in interesting look as well not 100% copying Lugosi. If I had to nitpick anything it's the stand up collar being lined in red. IMO, that makes his cape look more like a Halloween costume Dracula cape. Only a minor quibble and Regehr made an excellent Dracula.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    There have been talks about a remake, but I think that died out.
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    There have been talks about a remake, but I think that died out.

    Just as well. Probably a generational thing. I was about those kids' ages at the time and the classic horror films played on television fairly often then. Today's younger audiences might not be as well versed in Universal studios monster knowledge.

    Today, they'd probably make Dracula look like he did on Buffy or something.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Another high-school comedy featuring all sorts of monsters came out in 1988.

    WAXWORK directed by Anthony Hickox and starring Miles O Keeffe as Dracula.
    Patrick Macnee has a significant part, and John Rhys-Davies plays a werewolf.
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    Another high-school comedy featuring all sorts of monsters came out in 1988.

    WAXWORK directed by Anthony Hickox and starring Miles O Keeffe as Dracula.
    Patrick Macnee has a significant part, and John Rhys-Davies plays a werewolf.

    I've never seen Waxwork, but now must track it down. I like Miles O Keeffe. The legendary Tarzan from the Bo Derek film.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Another high-school comedy featuring all sorts of monsters came out in 1988.

    WAXWORK directed by Anthony Hickox and starring Miles O Keeffe as Dracula.
    Patrick Macnee has a significant part, and John Rhys-Davies plays a werewolf.

    I've never seen Waxwork, but now must track it down. I like Miles O Keeffe. The legendary Tarzan from the Bo Derek film.

    That s right, he was Tarzan seven years earlier, the only actor to play both Tarzan and Dracula as far as I know.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Another high-school comedy featuring all sorts of monsters came out in 1988.

    WAXWORK directed by Anthony Hickox and starring Miles O Keeffe as Dracula.
    Patrick Macnee has a significant part, and John Rhys-Davies plays a werewolf.

    I've never seen Waxwork, but now must track it down. I like Miles O Keeffe. The legendary Tarzan from the Bo Derek film.

    That s right, he was Tarzan seven years earlier, the only actor to play both Tarzan and Dracula as far as I know.

    Also he was in SWORD OF THE VALIANT with Peter Cushing and Sean Connery.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    NOSFERATU A VENEZIA (1988) aka VAMPIRE IN VENICE was directed by Augusto Caminito. It was a sort of follow-up to Herzog s film, but not quite. Klaus Kinski is here just called Nosferatu, and not Dracula. Donald Pleasence stars as well.

    Professor Paris Catalano (Christopher Plummer) investigates vampire murders committed during the 1786 carneval in Venice.

    It is available on Youtube and I am planning to see it this weekend.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Ooh, always been interested in watching it!
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    That's one sequel I've never seen and always wanted to. I'll have to take some time and watch that. I have a feeling I'd like it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    So I just saw it. Great film! I love everything about it. Neat that they used parts of Vangelis "Mask" for the soundtrack.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It was apparently Winona Ryder who brought the script to Coppola s attention.
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    It was apparently Winona Ryder who brought the script to Coppola s attention.

    Gosh I hate, hate, HATE the Coppola version.
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    Ludovico wrote: »

    It was apparently Winona Ryder who brought the script to Coppola s attention.

    Gosh I hate, hate, HATE the Coppola version.

    It reminds me of the '67 CASINO ROYALE.

    We have several variations of Bond, but not one (including Niven) that I ever felt was really James Bond.
    To me, the Coppola film feels like a version of DRACULA without Dracula, instead replacing Stoker's creation with the historical Dracula.

    Although the film won Oscars in the costume and make up departments, I'd be far more impressed had the designers made Oldman look like the character in the novel: clad in black without a speck of color, and long white mustache, instead of the outlandish attire he sports in the film.

    Apparently, Eiko Ishioka had actually not seen any vampire or Dracula films prior to designing the clothes and was given free licence to create whatever she wanted for The Count.
    To me, that's like being the costume designer on a Superman film and unfamiliar with his cape/tights and \S/ shield.

    Although the film does contain some scenes and characters that are usually missing from other versions, I find the Jess Franco COUNT DRACULA, the Jourdan version, and to an extent, the Palance DRACULA to feel closer in spirit to the novel.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Coppola s Dracula is probably my favourite. There is no cgi in this movie, either.
  • Posts: 15,125
    @ToTheRight everything about this movie is so very wrong. And Winona Ryder said in interviews that the original novel was a love story. Did she even read the novel?
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    Coppola s Dracula is probably my favourite. There is no cgi in this movie, either.

    I love the fact Coppola chose to avoid CGI. Very much classic effects. Wonderful miniature work. Also everything shot on sound-stages, with the exception of he sequence where he meets Mina in the street.

    I get really torn about this version.

    Amazing score, Monica Bellucci, great sets, Monica Bellucci, memorable cast, Monica Bellucci and wonderful atmosphere. I just really wish Oldman had been given a few more scenes where he looks like a classic Dracula, or at least been reproduced accurately to the novel's description. If any version called for Stoker's description of the Count this would have been it.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    @ToTheRight everything about this movie is so very wrong. And Winona Ryder said in interviews that the original novel was a love story. Did she even read the novel?

    The Palance version also has a reincarnation love story element. Dan Curtis said he ripped off his DARK SHADOWS story arc for that.
  • Posts: 15,125
    I find Coppola's pseudo Dracula so rifled with stupidity it's difficult to give him any merit. The score, maybe. Otherwise it's a bombastic, hammy, arrogant, ridiculous mess. Not only is the novel butchered, but Victorian England is so inaccurately portrayed it looks like a lush soft porn land. I don't think the fx should be praised either : there's an overabundance of them and a naturalistic approach (as per the novel) would have been far better.
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    I do have a soft spot for the film. I saw it at least 15 times in the cinema when it came out. I remember exactly how it looked on the big screen as well. I remember the early VHS and DVD editions were considerably brighter than the film version. The first Blu-ray from 2007 got the tint and hues a bit off. I should see the most recent edition and compare.

    I have to be in the mood for the Coppola film. I like it very much, but it just doesn't feel like a Dracula movie to me as most other versions.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I love Dracula s different look in this film.
  • Posts: 15,125
    Dracula looks awful in it. There's so many wrong things about this movie.
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    Dracula is a character where there is room to experiment a bit with his look. I just feel this film would have been a great opportunity to present the character as he was described in the novel.
    Considering the approach was to indeed make him Vlad The Impaler then it is perfectly justified in giving the younger Dracula the Vlad look.
    I personally prefer the cinematic Count to be a cross between the clean shaven Hamilton Deane image and Stoker's version.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    He is always dressed in black elsewhere. I think seeing him in red was refreshing, it is the colour of blood.
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    He is always dressed in black elsewhere. I think seeing him in red was refreshing, it is the colour of blood.

    I like the gray outfit when he meets Mina.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Dracula is a character where there is room to experiment a bit with his look. I just feel this film would have been a great opportunity to present the character as he was described in the novel.
    Considering the approach was to indeed make him Vlad The Impaler then it is perfectly justified in giving the younger Dracula the Vlad look.
    I personally prefer the cinematic Count to be a cross between the clean shaven Hamilton Deane image and Stoker's version.

    I'd rather see the novel adapted faithfully for a change. And have a Dracula that looks like the one from the source material.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Dracula is a character where there is room to experiment a bit with his look. I just feel this film would have been a great opportunity to present the character as he was described in the novel.
    Considering the approach was to indeed make him Vlad The Impaler then it is perfectly justified in giving the younger Dracula the Vlad look.
    I personally prefer the cinematic Count to be a cross between the clean shaven Hamilton Deane image and Stoker's version.

    I'd rather see the novel adapted faithfully for a change. And have a Dracula that looks like the one from the source material.

    Christopher Lee in Jess Franco's COUNT DRACULA to date still seems to be the only actor who has had that opportunity to be made up to resemble the character as described. Reasonably faithful adaptation as well, but I think Lee best described the film itself as "indifferent". I like it a lot, but don't pop it in nearly as much as his Hammer outings. Has an low budget quality about it, and filmed in Spain as opposed to England.
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    Jess Franco's Dracula is terrible sadly. Only worth to watch for Lee's appearance and performance, and to hear him saying the lines from the novel sometimes.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited January 2019 Posts: 45,489
    DRACULA-DEAD AND LOVING IT (1995) was Mel Brooks last movie, at least to date. Starring Leslie Nielsen in the title role. Mel Brooks himself as Van Helsing.
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