No Time To Die - Safin's Plot (Spoilers!)

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    peter wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Look, I understand that writing a film is very hard work - especially a billion-dollar monster like Bond. But good lord, I consistently read ideas that would have greatly improved SP, from simple little fixes to overhauls.

    I like the movie, but it's still my most frustrating in terms of wasted potential.

    What @peter and I are working on might interest you then @octofinger.
    Let me tell you though it's not been easy, we are nearing the end of our 1st draft of our re-write of SPECTRE.

    I think we've definitely improved it, the ring scanning has gone, the Brofeld rubbish doesn't exist and Mr White while his role hasn't been increased, it's more integral to the whole and we think we've cracked how to make the scheme much more sinister and threatening. Also Peter's version of Blofeld is quite a terrifying presence, we haven't used Waltz as our model for him as well.

    Who knows when we'll be ready to share, although Peter will also agree it's been exciting, fun and somewhat scary taking on such a project.

    Peter is one hell of a talented screenwriter I can tell you, I feel very lucky to have someone like him collaborate on this with.

    @Shardlake makes one blush. As I said in a previous post, this was his brain-child and the man has some creative ideas and he should never underestimate his artistic nature.

    We will likely be savaged by some Mi6 readers, as to be expected.

    But our project has been fun and exciting, and I think we expose how weak the Spectre script was on so many levels (when you take chunks from that film and break it down...; often times Shardlake and I were left scratching our collective heads exclaiming (about the film we got), "but that makes zero sense!!!"...

    I am just finishing a re-write on a project I am on, and then Shardlake and I will finish the first draft of our Spectre, shortly. However, as Hemingway said, "The First Drat of Anything is shit", so we will be busy on something presentable for the discerning eyes of this site.

    You had my curiosity, @Shardlake and @peter.

    Now you have my attention.
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 4,409
    With all this talk about science and word that some scenes will be set in Porton Down..........................................................



    ................................perhaps Rami Malek is playing a rebooted version of Dr No after all. I mean, that was the rumour for a hot second. I mean we already know this film includes Jamaica and there is a science-y element to the plot. It certainly gets you thinking.

    We have already had a rebooted version of Blofeld. Maybe Eon are more comfortable with rebooting characters now since Spectre. I don't hate the idea personally.

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    He's a little more of a junior doctor though. #NHSbantz
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 4,409
    I'm surprised more people don't want to discuss the Porton Down connection.....it's the most exciting development in a while. Anyway, I've been doing some more research and think that the location Fukunaga was scouting was Scotland after all. It make sense for them to use the landscapes to double for Salisbury as they are more dramatic.

    Also, the Russian numberplates we have seen become more interesting when you consider that scientists at Porton Down were involved in finding the source of the Novichok attacks on the Skripal family.

    The RT folk have a fascinating spin on the actual interview with the CEO:



    I think the Novichok scandal has inspired the Bond 25 plot. Which I think is really cool.
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    The Porton Down connection is really interesting for sure. It will be interesting to see how it all fits the plot, and Malek's character.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Porton Down more likely developed the nerve gas. Almost positively, but doubt they are acknowledging that or even being aware of it.
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    I'm surprised more people don't want to discuss the Porton Down connection.....it's the most exciting development in a while. Anyway, I've been doing some more research and think that the location Fukunaga was scouting was Scotland after all. It make sense for them to use the landscapes to double for Salisbury as they are more dramatic.

    Also, the Russian numberplates we have seen become more interesting when you consider that scientists at Porton Down were involved in finding the source of the Novichok attacks on the Skripal family.

    The RT folk have a fascinating spin on the actual interview with the CEO:



    I think the Novichok scandal has inspired the Bond 25 plot. Which I think is really cool.

    If it's the case it's one good thing that came out of this.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited June 2019 Posts: 4,585
    Univex wrote: »
    A child has no place in a Bond film, IMO, except if briefly to add structure to a character.

    I don't think the child will be a major part of the plot. The young actress is seemingly unknown. To play a significant role, I'd think she'd need more screen credits. When the Norwegian shoot happened, the press would have then recognized her as so-and-so from this-and-that.
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    Porton Down more likely developed the nerve gas. Almost positively, but doubt they are acknowledging that or even being aware of it.

    That is certainly the story that the Russian government are sticking too. I suppose much of it depends on how cynical you are in believing the British government would lie to it's people. Though it is suspicious that the Skripals died only 8 miles from Porton Down. There is certainly more to this story than has been publicly released.



    The above video talks of criminal gangs stealing nerve agents and selling on the black market to shady government officials. Could Rami Malek be playing such a gang ringleader? Could he be working for some dodgy Russians?

    With all this talk of Putin and the rise of a new Cold War, I'm really keen to see the Russians back as the villains.

    Considering the film is being directed by a young American director and stars a young American as the villain, the question is how much of this will lean on the Trump/Russia fiasco. We know the CIA are involved this time, so the Americans are certainly more involved than before......it's certainly going to be interesting.

    I recently watched Mr Robot's third season and it's clear Malek's character is very politicised. Check out this awesome video below.



    Rami Malek gives a great performance here.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Porton Down is a great potential locale for use in a Bond film. Very odd place, full of secrets and strange going's on.
    I grew up not too far from it, about 25 miles away. There was a guy I used to work with who got a job there, he dated a girl I went to school with. After he started there I never saw him again. It's like the UK's version of Area 51.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
    Posts: 138
    My theory for the aston martin v8 vantage sequence is that maybe Bond is using a kind of virtual reality to "go" on the scene where Madeleine was a child, with the help of "Q" or with a machine created by the bad guy (don't forget that Malek plays a mysterious villain with new and dangerous technology’)....


  • edited December 2019 Posts: 4,409
    duke_togo wrote: »
    My theory for the aston martin v8 vantage sequence is that maybe Bond is using a kind of virtual reality to "go" on the scene where Madeleine was a child, with the help of "Q" or with a machine created by the bad guy (don't forget that Malek plays a mysterious villain with new and dangerous technology’)....


    Ummmm.....sounds more suited to an Iron Man film.

    Look, once you have read the below I think you will come to realise that the Madeleine-flashback theory is now officially debunked:

    Exhibit 1: Sebastian Soudais

    Sebastien Soudais has already confirmed he is doubling Malek
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/film/bond-25-stuntman-reveals-incredible-16523203

    He was photographed on set in Norway:

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    Exhibit 2: Polly Bennet

    In the same interview above, Soudais confirms that Polly Bennett - Rami Malek's movement coach on Bohemian Rhapsody - has been working with him on Bond 25. Her website can be found here:
    https://www.pollybennettmovement.com/

    Soudais and Bennett are BOTH photographed together in the same picture above (top left): Here is a photo of Bennett for reference:



    I noticed this at the time Norway filming was happening. By then Soudais had been posting Instagram stories and he followed Bennett soon after filming the same day that photo leaked.

    Conclusion:

    Rami Malek's character - the lead villain - is involved in the Norway sequence. Therefore, there is a very large likelihood that the sequences plays out in the present day and is not a flashback.

    The end.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
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    Possible, but Malek COULD play an older version of himself or a genetically modified man, a clone (i bet on that) or something like that.
    The famous make up artist Barrie Gower who is a specialist of this type of transformation ( he made the prosthetics for Meryl Streep in "the Iron Lady" for exemple) works on the movie, Malek also said in an interview that he won't be like we usually see him physically. and there are too many similitudes with this scene and the Madeleine childhood story for this not being a flashback.
    But i could be wrong, all of these are just speculations so...

    To be continued...
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    Could genetic engineering slow dow ageing almost to an apparent halt? Just asking.

    Then again, I don't think they're going for that.
  • ChulaChula New York
    Posts: 19
    Univex wrote: »
    A child has no place in a Bond film,

    Ah, then we would never have had that fantastic little kid in MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN.

    "You are very handsome man, forty baht."

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  • edited June 2019 Posts: 18
    Maybe Malek is Blofeld, they pull off a Shatterhand in similar way to DAD. Or something like that.

    Or maybe, not.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
    Posts: 138
    I also think that Malek could be Blofeld himself. Maybe that he plays a younger version of Blofeld (if the part filmed in Norway is a flashback sequence...and i think it is) and he could play his son who looks a lot like him when he was younger or his clone or something like that. And that's why he will have make-up to look a little like Waltz (think Bruce Willis and Gordon-Levitt in "Looper")...But it's just speculation...
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    There is always the chance that Madeleine is the kidnapped scientist - hence her connection to Malek. Perhaps Malek storms her wedding to Bond in Matera with Bond believing it's Spectre after him. However, it's actual Madeleine he's after.

    Malick is unsuccessful and that forces Madeleine to seek out Blofeld as he may have some info based on his underworld connections.
    duke_togo wrote: »
    I also think that Malek could be Blofeld himself. Maybe that he plays a younger version of Blofeld (if the part filmed in Norway is a flashback sequence...and i think it is) and he could play his son who looks a lot like him when he was younger or his clone or something like that. And that's why he will have make-up to look a little like Waltz (think Bruce Willis and Gordon-Levitt in "Looper")...But it's just speculation...

    There is a chance that Malek is Blofeld's son. I hope not, but there is a chance.

    I personally think that Malek will be a blackmarket fixer. Someone people hire when they need something. I think the Russians have hired him to kidnap a scientist for a nefarious plot they are involved in.

    Perhaps David Dencik is playing the Russian who hired Malek? He recently played Gorbachev in Chernobyl...

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    With the CIA involved, I can't see the Russians not involved somehow.
  • PavloPavlo Ukraine
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    With the CIA involved, I can't see the Russians not involved somehow.

    Especially after seeing Russian car plates during Norway filming on Atlantic Road.
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    Several Scandinavian websites writes Dencik will play a villain, so who knows? He might be an associate of Malek's character.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Loving how many possible theories there are with this film.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
    edited July 2019 Posts: 138
    "There is always the chance that Madeleine is the kidnapped scientist - hence her connection to Malek. Perhaps Malek storms her wedding to Bond in Matera with Bond believing it's Spectre after him. However, it's actual Madeleine he's after."

    Probably i quite agree that she could be the scientist even if i think that she would have a bigger part if it was the case ,but she could be killed or something while Bond and co try to rescue her.

    The other thing that makes me believe that Malek is PROBABLY Blofeld himself or heavily linked to him is the fact that we still don't know the character's name at this point, (they could at least give him a fake name like Oberhauser...but here nothing) or maybe he plays a character well known in the franchise... (Emilio Largo maybe ? And young Madeleine shot in his eye in the Norway sequence? A new version of Dr No as rumored before ?)
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited July 2019 Posts: 6,304
    Malek could be named Shatterhand, in fact I think it's likely after Oberhauser. This could also explain the working title in Production Weekly and all the hullabaloo around not being able to figure out the title.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
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    echo wrote: »
    Malek could be named Shatterhand, in fact I think it's likely after Oberhauser. This could also explain the working title in Production Weekly and all the hullabaloo around not being able to figure out the title.

    agreed !
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 4,409
    duke_togo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Malek could be named Shatterhand, in fact I think it's likely after Oberhauser. This could also explain the working title in Production Weekly and all the hullabaloo around not being able to figure out the title.

    agreed !

    I'm still thinking that Rami Malek is playing a rebooted Dr No......mark my words.

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    @Pierce2Daniel Maybe Ana de Armas will be a somewhat rebooted Honey Ryder?
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 17,757
    I definitely hope they're not rebooting Dr. No; that screams of lazy writing to me.

    It would be better to create new characters.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Loving how many possible theories there are with this film.

    Totally. With SPECTRE most of the plot was clear even to me that I hadn't read the leaks.
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
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    Ending the Daniel Craig era by a movie featuring the first villain of the franchise could give it a great full circle feeling... And it could also pave the way for future rebooted versions of villains like Scaramanga and above all the fans favorite Goldfinger ! Coul be awesome imo...
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    duke_togo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Malek could be named Shatterhand, in fact I think it's likely after Oberhauser. This could also explain the working title in Production Weekly and all the hullabaloo around not being able to figure out the title.

    agreed !

    I'm still thinking that Rami Malek is playing a rebooted Dr No......mark my words.

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    Denbigh wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel Maybe Ana de Armas will be a somewhat rebooted Honey Ryder?

    I agree with both of you, especially on Malek being Dr. No.
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    I definitely hope they're not rebooting Dr. No; that screams of lazy writing to me.

    It would be better to create new characters.

    I'll admit, it does seem a little lazy to just reboot a villain. Essentially, they'd only be taking his name and making an entirely new character around it. In effect, it's basically being used to generate a headline and hype the film.

    Personally, I'd rather they didn't. I want Malek to play a new baddie. His character is the biggest question-mark at the moment.

    I'm most curious how they will dress him, as he has a marvellous and very individualistic style.

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    What an eccentric young man
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