NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I'm excited that Zimmer is doing the score.
    I would be happier if he would have more time and when he would do it alone.
    Gladiator is probably my favourite score of him and in general. I listened to it a lot and it touched me without seeing the movie. I watched The Rock endlessly as a teenager (still a guilty pleasure of mine) and the soundtrack was perfect for me.

    I was at his Zimmer concert in Zurich one or two years ago and tracks like the ones from Inception and Pirates were so amazing. And the asian cellist was there, there too. It was difficult to look somewhere else.
    Maybe Zimmer is sometimes a bit too “heroic“ but I'm 100% sure this will be better than the SP soundtrack. It has to be...
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think the main reason Zimmer is going to succeed, is coz he's an Action Composer by trade....I think we can all agree Newman had no problem with Scoring Bond's Romantic or intimate Moments, E.g 'Severine', Modigliani 'Donna Lucia', 'Secret Room, etc. It's the action parts that let Newman down....& in Bond films, the action parts are obviously more. I think Zimmer is going to remedy that instantly & still provide the score with good romantic music.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Though Zimmer’s Batman scores are brought up so much, I hope he does something more loose like what he did with Spider-Man, which I found better than the generic efforts by Elfman, Horner, and Giacchino.





    I quite like most of the Spider Man scores to be honest.
  • Slightly off NTTD, but I've just seen 1917 and Thomas Newman's score for it was magnificent - why couldn't he work equal magic with Bond? Was he just doing it as favour for Mendes, did he not care? Baffling.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Slightly off NTTD, but I've just seen 1917 and Thomas Newman's score for it was magnificent - why couldn't he work equal magic with Bond? Was he just doing it as favour for Mendes, did he not care? Baffling.

    I wouldn’t say he didn’t care, given that he said he wanted the Bond gig in the first place.
  • Slightly off NTTD, but I've just seen 1917 and Thomas Newman's score for it was magnificent - why couldn't he work equal magic with Bond? Was he just doing it as favour for Mendes, did he not care? Baffling.

    I wouldn’t say he didn’t care, given that he said he wanted the Bond gig in the first place.

    Granted - but I was blown away by his 1917 score, if you just saw Skyfall/Spectre and 1917 you would not think it was the same composer.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’ll find out tomorrow! Concerning Newman on his action scoring, he seemed to take a lot of influence more from contemporary composers like John Powell and Hans Zimmer on how to score a modern action film. I can hear the Powell influence strongly in a tracks like “Grand Bazaar”, “Health and Safety”, and Zimmer in “She’s Mine” and “Backfire” but all with those Newman touches. But as others have noted, the more romantic or atmospheric cues like “Close Shave” and “Secret Room” are undeniably Newman playing with his strengths with all the whimsy and intrigue.

    I haven’t heard a track of 1917 yet, so it’ll be interesting to see him score a film that should stand on its own and not conform to what we expect in a blockbuster franchise.
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    Slightly off NTTD, but I've just seen 1917 and Thomas Newman's score for it was magnificent - why couldn't he work equal magic with Bond? Was he just doing it as favour for Mendes, did he not care? Baffling.

    I wouldn’t say he didn’t care, given that he said he wanted the Bond gig in the first place.

    Granted - but I was blown away by his 1917 score, if you just saw Skyfall/Spectre and 1917 you would not think it was the same composer.

    When you listen to Shawshank Redemption, which is a brilliant soundtrack, that again doesn't sound like the same person who gave us the Bond films. It does make you wonder whether his heart wasn't fully in the project, or that he didn't like stepping into someone else's shoes (Barry/Arnold).
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot....even if he's yet to win. Am using the Academy award, coz that's the one that keeps eluding Newman. It was always about how well Newman could score a Bond film. 1917 like his many other Non-Bond scores is Vintage Newman. And funny enough, the score does have the influence of Zimmer's Dunkirk in some of it's tracks....that's another evidence of Mendes following Nolan's work and Zimmer influencing other Composers in the action genre. the score seems to have the ticking clock concept from Dunkirk. Coz like Nolan, Mendes also makes time the movie's theme. That Zimmer influence is most evident in the track 'Sixteen Hundred Men'....and that's the score's standout track.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I hope he brings Lisa Gerard on board.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    I hope he brings Lisa Gerard on board.

    Yes yes yes
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    I like Lisa Gerrard...but I don't know if her style would work in a Bond film. And if Gerrard is included, it might be a hint that Bond dies at the end. And we wouldn't want that, would we?.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Slightly off NTTD, but I've just seen 1917 and Thomas Newman's score for it was magnificent - why couldn't he work equal magic with Bond? Was he just doing it as favour for Mendes, did he not care? Baffling.

    Maybe it’s just your personal preference.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I like Lisa Gerrard...but I don't know if her style would work in a Bond film. And if Gerrard is included, it might be a hint that Bond dies at the end. And we wouldn't want that, would we?.

    I was adjusting search filter to most viewed video of James bond on YouTube and Adele's song for SF has the most 380 m views. I think the large part of SF success had something to do with singer as well. Lisa Gerard would be a great addition imo.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Slightly off NTTD, but I've just seen 1917 and Thomas Newman's score for it was magnificent - why couldn't he work equal magic with Bond? Was he just doing it as favour for Mendes, did he not care? Baffling.

    Maybe it’s just your personal preference.

    This for me is probably the nail on the head of it. Newman scores in a certain style that doesn’t suit some. Let’s face it Barry scored almost against the action sometimes (whereas Arnold tended to follow the beats of the action onscreen).

    I don’t mind Newman’s action pieces, and his romantic cues are fine. Less keen on his ambient stuff. Plus the SF recycling (admittedly not all down to him).
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I like Lisa Gerrard...but I don't know if her style would work in a Bond film. And if Gerrard is included, it might be a hint that Bond dies at the end. And we wouldn't want that, would we?.

    I was adjusting search filter to most viewed video of James bond on YouTube and Adele's song for SF has the most 380 m views. I think the large part of SF success had something to do with singer as well. Lisa Gerard would be a great addition imo.

    True, Adele's song helped SF's success. And I honestly like Lisa Gerrard. I also like her 'Injection' track from M:i-2. Of course she would be a great addition. I was only saying I don't know how Gerrard fits in with Bond. But who knows?....Maybe she'll do a vocal version of the James Bond Theme. I don't know, maybe there are other ways....but that's the only way I can see Gerrard fitting in though.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I've done a u-turn on Newman's score for SF after seeing it in concert.

    I never disliked it but boy seeing it live you get a real feel for how it compliments the film.

    I've always loved Skyfall, it has flaws but each time I see it I have a smile on my face and feel more than adequately entertained.

    I think previously I just took the score for granted, not really noticing it, sometimes the score standing out isn't always good, if it propels the film along without bringing too much attention to itself shouldn't we consider that job done?

    To be honest when it started I was paying attention to the orchestra but after a while I just watched the screen and it was only a few times I had to remind myself it was actually a live score playing as it felt so close to the original score on the soundtrack of the film.

    Though Barry is unique in that he complimented what was on the screen and also delivered melodic memorable themes and cues, though there are moments in TN's score that I heard melody. I am going to grab the SF score on vinyl on the back of this concert at some point.

    I was pretty much sold on NTTD as soon as the details arrived and then that trailer just sent my excitement up to new levels. The score was something I was a little wary of not knowing if Romer was still attached and his relative inexperience in the blockbuster arena.

    So when it was confirmed that it was Zimmer taking the baton my excitement went up even further. I don't think he is treating this like just another gig and while he might have some of his colleagues assisting from listening to him talk about scoring Inception and loving Barry and Bond, I think he has been waiting for this job all his scoring life.

    I don't think Hans thinks he can slum this one and wouldn't want to, Barry seems be one of his heroes from what he said so I imagine he is going to give it his all and make sure that his work can be worthy of the masters.

    I'm not saying Zimmer is going to equal or even approach Barry at his best but he might well prove to be one of the best if not the best composer outside of Barry to take on the scoring of a Bond film.

    If you don't like him then fine, I think his style isn't for everyone, the same some think Arnold is a pound shop John Barry but there are those of us who do like his output and we are extremely excited to see what he comes up with.

    Hearing his take on the Bond theme will be something I will greatly anticipate.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.

    Yeah. Well, they very much could....lately.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.
    Well, they did give Sam Smith’s limp effort an award. 🤔
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Found this video of zimmer, not a fan of his score from TDK but enjoyed this one.
    Showcases well the shallowness, but that bass player is incredibly hot.

    I like that Asian , she also have a YouTube channel , Tina Guo, she could be in zimmer team for NTTD.
    She looks all surface and nothing beneath to me.

    But she is cute :(
    Not my type, but feel free ;-).

  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.
    Well, they did give Sam Smith’s limp effort an award. 🤔

    I feel the same about latest joker film
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.

    But at the same time, it's still kinda special when the Bond series gets an Oscar. I knew I was very happy because my favourite series got some recognition, even though I felt there were other songs that deserved the win more than Sam Smith's.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,422
    I did hear a bit of 1917 on the radio just now and it is rather beautiful.
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I've done a u-turn on Newman's score for SF after seeing it in concert.

    I never disliked it but boy seeing it live you get a real feel for how it compliments the film.

    I've always loved Skyfall, it has flaws but each time I see it I have a smile on my face and feel more than adequately entertained.

    I think previously I just took the score for granted, not really noticing it, sometimes the score standing out isn't always good, if it propels the film along without bringing too much attention to itself shouldn't we consider that job done?

    To be honest when it started I was paying attention to the orchestra but after a while I just watched the screen and it was only a few times I had to remind myself it was actually a live score playing as it felt so close to the original score on the soundtrack of the film.

    Yes I wish they'd do a Barry score live at some point. On Her Madge probably would be high on the list, but I'd like a lush one like Moonraker. I expect they'd probably do Goldfinger, and although that's great I think there are other scores I'd like to see performed more; but they sort of seem to choose them based on the film more than the score. Reasonable I suppose: Skyfall and Casino Royale are pretty popular recent hits.

    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.

    John Barry won five. Seems reasonable to me: he was pretty good.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited January 2020 Posts: 3,157
    mtm wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.

    John Barry won five. Seems reasonable to me: he was pretty good.

    Good for him; he deserved some kind of recognition. It doesn't change the fact that Academy Awards mean nothing. The fact that movies are not even chosen by the commission but actually submitted by the companies who made them or the fact that Oscar Campaigns exist prove it.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    Whoever & whatever Genre they settle on....I just hope they focus more on making the song very Good & Bondian....instead of targeting an Oscar award. In recent times, songs like YKMN wasn't made with winning an Oscar in mind & the song I can imagine is played frequently by Bond fans.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,422
    Walecs wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.

    John Barry won five. Seems reasonable to me: he was pretty good.

    Good for him; he deserved some kind of recognization.

    Yeah I think they're deserved too. Newman certainly deserves recognition as well ;)
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Whoever & whatever Genre they settle on....I just hope they focus more on making the song very Good & Bondian....instead of targeting an Oscar award. In recent times, songs like YKMN wasn't made with winning an Oscar in mind & the song I can imagine is played frequently by Bond fans.

    How do you focus on getting a best song Oscar though? Make a really good song that fits the film and which people really like? I think that kind of should be the approach of making a Bond song too. Skyfall is a pretty perfect Bond song; not my favourite but it's a great song, works for the film fantastically and also was a massive hit. I think acting like Bond films aren't populist would be a bit strange.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2020 Posts: 16,422
    Double post
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    mtm wrote: »
    I did hear a bit of 1917 on the radio just now and it is rather beautiful.
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I've done a u-turn on Newman's score for SF after seeing it in concert.

    I never disliked it but boy seeing it live you get a real feel for how it compliments the film.

    I've always loved Skyfall, it has flaws but each time I see it I have a smile on my face and feel more than adequately entertained.

    I think previously I just took the score for granted, not really noticing it, sometimes the score standing out isn't always good, if it propels the film along without bringing too much attention to itself shouldn't we consider that job done?

    To be honest when it started I was paying attention to the orchestra but after a while I just watched the screen and it was only a few times I had to remind myself it was actually a live score playing as it felt so close to the original score on the soundtrack of the film.

    Yes I wish they'd do a Barry score live at some point. On Her Madge probably would be high on the list, but I'd like a lush one like Moonraker. I expect they'd probably do Goldfinger, and although that's great I think there are other scores I'd like to see performed more; but they sort of seem to choose them based on the film more than the score. Reasonable I suppose: Skyfall and Casino Royale are pretty popular recent hits.

    Walecs wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I have listened to 1917's score since December. I don't think anyone ever doubted Newman's ability as a Composer, he's been nominated for an Academy award 14 times, and that says a lot.....
    That means nothing, Academy Awards are a joke.

    John Barry won five. Seems reasonable to me: he was pretty good.

    Of all these in concerts OHMSS would be my dream one, can't understand why they couldn't even do a ltd run of just a reissue of OHMSS at the cinema, although 50th of the film they really should have done the in concert.

    I imagine GF would be the one they'd expect to get the most interest due to it's reputation outside the fan base being the quintessential Bond film.

    Not that I would balk at them doing it but my preference would be OHMSS because it is the pinnacle of Barry's Bond scoring and my all time favourite score and in my top ten favourite albums of all time.
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