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The hotel room scenes are fantastic. Like @Max_The_Parrot , I had books and box for kids with materials for spying and also tried to fix a hair on my furniture door. I mean there were a lot of spies who were interested in my underwear etc... Maybe it is for nostalgic reasons but I relly love these hotel scenes, perfectly played by Connery and combined tith the Bond theme.
Trainstation wins. This Scene is completely different: We don't hear what they talk, we don't see the murder...But we realise that Grant is a smart and cold-blooded killing machine and he will be a real threat for the rest of the movie. Perfect movie moment.
You think of the Bond theme when he does something Bond-like, as David Arnold once put it, not checking for bugs and listening devices. They then made up scenarios for mundane situations when the Bond theme would be played.
Hehe I remember doing the same on my chest of drawers, just in case some unknown SPECTRE against tried to sneak in and steal my comics or toy Matchbox cars! Can’t be too careful! ☺️
@BT3366 I absolutely see your point. After watching FRWL last weekend I can at least say that I really loved it that way. It would be a bit weird to have such an energetic version of the theme in a similar scene with Brosnan or Craig. But it is alright for me because it was only the second movie and we haven't seen huge stunts so far. Checking for bugs was bondisn enough in 1963. There is at least one scene where I don't like the Bond theme: the action with Little Nellie isn't exciting at all with the standard Bond theme! You know from the first second of the the zheme that Bond isn't in real danger... (I tried to use it once for a poll question but couldn't think of a fitting second scene and maybe it is only me feeling that way).
On the question, maybe when Bond seems to have it too easy and as a viewer you really don't think he's in any real danger; I think of when Bond and Madilyn are escaping Blofeld's HQ in SP that he just shoots a couple of guards from a mile away and gets into a helicopter with little to no reistance. I recall one writer saying of the YOLT scene that Bond uses the devices in almost the same order that Q explains them.
I'll also vote for the PTS. What an incredible introduction to Grant and then to find out he was being tested by SPECTRE! The shock of Bond's death and the lights coming on. I can still remember my surprise from a very young age. The train station bit is good (and I must say I'm somewhat surprised by how many voted for it) but it's just not as captivating to me as the PTS.
Old school spying in DN/FRWL: Hotel room scenes win against airport Scenes: 5 : 4
Grant scenes: Trainstation (killing and replacing Nash) wins against PTS: 7 : 2
Great comments of you all as usual. But the number of votes decreased dramatically...
For the 25th round I thought it would be a welcomed variation to use questions of other members. If you have one or two good ideas for poll questions, I would like to read your suggestions in my mailbox.
Round 24: White and red
A) Which character from QoS should have got more screen time? Mr. White vs. Strawberry Fields
Connery wearing the white dinner jacket with the red flower is stylish in the PTS of GF (checking the time/explosion). But has it more style as another Connery scene with the red flower: the scene in DAF with Bond on the elevator in Las Vegas.
B) Which scene do you prefer: The part with the white dinner jacket in GF PTS vs. on the elevator in Las Vegas
GF - lean and mean, whereas Sean had put on a little too much weight by the time DAF came around, and it showed! 😉
DAF. DAF DAF DAF all the way to the top of the Whyte House
It has to be Goldfinger as Connery provides easily one of the most iconic moments in Bond history. Although, I do like the interaction between Connery and the goons in Diamonds are Forever.
GF
However Mr. White is an established character who is still shrouded in mystery. As @Octopussy mentioned, even though White and Greene are both members of Quantum, they have no scenes together. Aside from the Tosca gathering.
More Mr. White please.
The second pairing is a no brainer for me. GF, hands down.
Fair point.
She's also a sacrificial lamb, unnecessary in that Mathis's death is so much more impactful, and to do an homage to Jill in GF. So I guess by default I'll go with White.
The second is one I have to curse goldenswissroyale for as both are iconic scenes which are why I take so much pleasure in Bond. Given how much credit GF already gets, I am going with - sacrilege! - DAF.
The film gets endless flack from fans, not without good reason, but it was the first Bond I saw in the cinema when it was new and I was a preschooler and it's always had a sentimental place as such and for years was my personal favorite and that scene is one that stands out.
There's that beautiful Ken Adam bridal suite set, Bond in tux, pulling out the flower, casually opening the window and saying "Just popping upstairs for a moment." He walks to the ledge and casually gets on, sniffs the flower and the wind blows his hair as he coolly rides the elevator up is just iconic, especially the pull-away shot. The follow-up where he nearly gets flattened was repeated in other films showing characters hanging onto elevators and gives some genuine suspense as he's left hanging and a few cables to support him.
Trivia bit: I've read the DAF script and when he's suspended in the air, Bond had a line "So help me, Q, if I fall I'll kill you." I don't know if that was shot and cut or just wasn't used but it would've fit in.
So you guys can revel in your GF worship, I'll go with the underdog in this case.
GF PTS
Fields looks stunning and her chemistry with Bond is good. Her appearance is too short! More of Fields, please.
I'm a fan of this DAF scene. Easily one of the best parts of DAF. @BMT216A described it beautifully.
Fields should have got more screen time in QoS compared to Mr. White: 5:4
Style with red Flower: GF PTS wins against Bond on Elevator in DAF: 6:3
Round 25:
A) Which scene do you prefer? Bond drives the digger and jumps from the digger in the train (SF) vs. Bond drives the car on the rails and jumps on the train before the car is crushed (OP)
B) @Max_The_Parrot would like to know:
A) Which of Roger Moore's train fights do you prefer? Bond vs. Tee Hee or Bond vs. Jaws
The first match up is easy. Part of my love of OP is because of impressive train sequence.
So Bond in the Mercedes on the train tracks then jumping onto the Octopussy circus train is clearly the winner for me.
The second match is a little harder. I think they're both great. I like Bond's inventiveness in the fight with Tee Hee. Using the playing cards to try and distract him.
Though the fight with Jaws is similar in some ways, and due to Jaws immense size he's a very threatening enemy in a small space. As a kid I remember jumping more for the Jaws fight, and because of that, I'll give it the win.
OP
and
Jaws fight for me.
B) TSWLM
A) The OP car train sequence
B) Bond vs. Jaws in TSWLM
First off, I do enjoy the SF scene. Bond's determination and toughness are on full display here, especially after he gets shot. However, M barking orders and Moneypenny being along for the ride are huge detriments to the overall experience, unfortunately. Minus points for VW Beetles. OP, on the other hand, has Bond on the run in an exciting and adventurous chase, with a little humor thrown in. It is the more entertaining package for me.
The second match up is tough, but I have to go with Bond vs. Tee Hee. I think Hamilton directed Moore's action scenes better than Gilbert. I also enjoy that Tee Hee is coming back for revenge and Bond's smirk before he throws the cards in his face. The Jaws fight plays out in a similar fashion and perhaps is a little too familiar with what came before. It's still entertaining in it's own right though.
Not a big fan of SF to start with and the teaser in particular. Again, I agree with pachazo above about the M and Moneypenny combo being more distracting than contributing to the scene. A lot of fans loved it, but the whole cuff straightening as Bond boards the train seemed a rip-off of Brosnan's signature tie-straightening action sequence habit.
I rewatched both train fights and both were good. Moore was tougher in LALD than I remembered. My choice is TSWLM.
At that point of the film. Jaws is still a frightening presence. When Anya opens the closet and sees him it's one of the better jump scares of the series. Kiel's sheer physical size in the small train compartment also adds to the odds Bond faces. Moore's Bond is always more about his resourcefulness than sheer physicality and this scene showcases that. My thing is what if that lamp had become unplugged during the struggle?
My big minus in the Tee Hee fight is I'm guessing the overnight bag is Solitaire's and I can see why there'd be nail clipper scissors, but who carries a wire-cutter or whatever that is among grooming accessories? It's a too-handy accessory when Bond needs it for a very remote situation.
I wouldn't go that far and say that the hole part from here up until the bomb disarmig is a highlight but the train action in OP definitely is a huge pleasure to watch.
I choose the fight against Tee Hee:
The jumpscare with Jaws in the closet is good and his huge presence feels even more impressive here (look how big his hands are compared to Bond's head!!!) but what I miss here is a real fight…
The interaction with Tee Hee feels more like a fight (at least the first part) and I like it that some walls, a ladder and a window are destroyed. Your point of critique about the scissors almost changed my decision @BT3366 (fair point!) but there is also the fact that I love it to have this kind of "revenge" action scene at the end of the movie.