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London, but both are cringeworthy.
Oil Rig in DAF. Neither really moves the needle for me, but DAF will get my vote. Barry’s score, the witty dialogue and Jill St. John’s bikini being the deciding factors 😊!
Last votes would be accepted until I start the next round in some hours. Otherwise we have a lucky winner and the first tie:
OHMSS Blofeld wins against Faceless one: 12 : 10
Oil rig vs. London finale in SP: 11 : 11
A) With which Bondgirl would you jump in the pool after the successful mission? Pam Bouvier vs. Lupe Lamora
B) Which revengeful killing do you prefer? Bond kills Locque vs. Bond kills Killifer
The killing of Locque (definitely more iconic than the other).
I like 'em both, don't get me wrong. But Lupe brings some exotic qualities that I find hard to resist.
Locque
I'm never truly invested in Luigi, but the poor fella didn't do any harm. Neither did Della, I get that, so it's another tough choice, this. But still, the way Moore does it feels more earned versus pushing the button at Krest's.
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Killifer. Suits Dalton Bond better than Moore Bond IMHO.
Locque - great moment for Roger, and a really well shot scene. Although Roger wasn’t keen on the kick it’s totally believable and has real impact.
Most definitely the death of Locque.
I slightly prefer the killing of Locque.
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A) With which Bondgirl would you jump in the pool after the successful mission? Pam Bouvier
(But real anser is Ana de Armas or Rosamund Pike of course, but i should watch out those dominated girls use water gun on me. ... 8-} )
B) Which revengeful killing do you prefer? Bond kills Locque
Bond kills Killifer. The Locque revenge is very satisfying and badass, but nowhere near as personal as the revenge on Killifer.
Locque over Killifer. Whilst Killifer is a true nasty piece of work, selling out Leiter for $2million. Locque is that silent and refined villain, who I love to see in movies. Rarely getting his hands dirty, as his associates do his bidding. His comeuppance with Bond kicking his car off the cliff is truly satisfying.
And Locque, easily. Killifer is a nice scenery chewing henchman, but damn, if Locque's stoic, silent personality isn't great and his death scene (and that entire action sequence as a whole) is one of my favorite moments in the series.
While the Killifer scene is good (and on paper, I'd say i'ts better), there's just something more satisfying about the Locque scene. There's just more tension in the scene. (Perhaps as Locque gets more screentime leading up to the event?)
And Locque's death.
The Locque death is so iconic among Bond fans for a reason. It's one moment when Conti's score comes to the party. Really escalates the tension. It is Roger's most lethal moment in the series and fits with the character of Bond because I could imagine every actor who has performed the role do this scene. While the kilifer death is well done and Dalton is in great form I think it doesn't have the impact of Locque's death. He's been a fly in the ointment for bond for a long time. Has killed two of Bond's allies (Even though think the Countess meant more to Bond than Luigi ever did!) and the preceding build up to the death is substantial - a warehouse raid and the run up the stairs.
As if I should have said so myself
And I would join Lupe in the pool.
What? I meant Pam. Pam!
The killing of Locque is one of Roger's finest moments and one of the best in the series, if I may be so bold. Killifer's death scene is good and Dalton plays it perfectly, but it just couldn't have the same impact. We have been through a lot with Locque at that point in the film and he has tried to kill Bond multiple times. It's just so damn satisfying to see Bond kick that SOB off the cliff!
Pam is a pretty well-defined character except for the jealousy aspects that just don't add anything. Maybe they should've had her turn to another man to get to Bond. This is one area where Maibaum's touch could've helped round the film out more.
So I go with Pam.
I will easily go with the Loque death. He's a much more interesting silent Red Grant variation than Kreigler's Oddjob (FYEO borrows a ton from previous films). He's much more complicit in the deaths of others and is a professional killer rather than a turncoat, which makes his death more satisfying
Add in that Moore's Bond having such a vendetta against an enemy is different and more effective as we get much more of his lighter side, it always was. Dalton was always seen as a cold type, so this was hardly out of character. For me, it's always much more interesting to see Moore play tougher than, say, watch Dalton try to do humor.
I'll add in "He had no head for heights" as understated and effective rather than a cheap joke and really brings it home vs. Sharkey's "What a waste" line, which was unnecessary.
Lastly, I am really enjoying these poll questions. I usually don't contribute to these types of threads when they ask the usual questions, but some of these really make me think and it's a fun way to celebrate the series.
Lupe over Pam. Though this one is based on the looks dept. mostly ;)
Killifer over Loque. His death was much more satisfying after his betrayal of Leiter. I liked Roger's disposal of Loque, but it didn't quite suit his Bond.
What did he promise you? His finger? Give her his thunderfinger!
Locque. Iconic because its not what you expect Roger’s Bond to do…and Moore handles it superbly. A great and memorable moment in one of my favorite movies.
For two seconds I wasn't sure for which girl your vote is intended to be @Thunderfinger , then I realized that Thunder is a funny finger.
I'll admit I did have to stop and think who Killifer was, but it is such a cold death and Dalton plays the rage so well (Locque's death is similar and I like it a lot, but getting eaten by sharks is a lot more brutal death).
Killifer
Sorry for the rather late reply, @royale65! Yes, I do indeed think that Bond's aversion to shooting pheasants in the film version of Moonraker could well be a reference to Fleming's own aversion to blood sports, including fox-hunting and shooting game. I've held that view since I got to know more about Fleming's own background and his presumably rather atypical views (for a man of his time and class anyhow) on blood sports.
I was actually very interested in this subject matter around 2009-2010 and had planned an article at that time that sadly never came to fruition. There is an article I still intend to write on that subject however, focusing on a particular reading of one of the Fleming Bond short stories.
This would be FYEO, I guess?
Yes, it would get a mention, also 'Risico' but I was mainly thinking of the fox-hunting subtext I detect at work in FAVTAK. I should probably dust that idea off and take it out of my bottom drawer at some stage.