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Anyway, if Mathilde finds her doudou in the water, it might not be a good idea to get some rag doll that was in contact with some problematic nanobots.
Excellent point. Now that would make the plot even darker. Poor old Bond thinking he's freed them from harm only to have them pick up the doll he's been in contact with after he's gone.
And had taken at least three bullets, by which time he was barely able to climb that ladder that lead him to the rooftop. It wasn't suicide.
Exactly. It's actually called in storytelling Chekov's doll, the finest narrative incarnation of Chekov's gun.
Bond's "my God your thirsty today" line, M dropping the F bomb, and then M telling Q to shut up. Bond's "another child" quip got a good reaction as well.
I really liked how the humour was played in this film. I'm assuming that's PWB's touch (not too familiar with her work overall).
Like someone said above regarding Halloween. Same Michael Myers, just alternative timeline ignoring all the old sequels. Easy, easy concept, and a popular trend in cinema nowadays.
The story was too bloated and too many characters. Safin had no reason for his plan. The emotions were at an all time high and it was tedious.
Say Craig Bond is in a different timeline but there were so many references to the past films.
The locales, action, cinematography were excellent. The first hour was some of the best stuff. It all fell apart after and the story arc dating back to CR made no sense.
They have ran out of ideas. Went as far to reference Foxdie from MGS and nanobits from Everything or Nothing. The title is even from a villains mouth telling Bond he is just in time to die.
It's a big deal because Bond is dead at the end of Bond 25 but magically alive at the start of Bond 26 and the sheeple film goers are supposed to just accept it and pay 20 quid to see it. That's why you need to respect continuity not (rude word!) about with it!!!
And there is no such narrative device as an alternative timeline. Barbara Broccoli never said the Craig era was alternative reality Bond. There is only one cinematic James Bond. Never Say Never Again and the spoof Casino Royale don't count.
We're gonna have endless Bond realities? Lol
Oh boy. Crazeeeeeeee.🤪 Unless Bond escapes death at the start of Bond 26, the timeline and continuity is messed up. And it's so silly to have Bond die and then he's alive with a new face in the next film.
Eon have lost the plot. Gone radio gaga. 😂
A better equivalent would be superheroes and comic books. As I've said in another thread, there have been several versions of Batman onscreen, we're now in the middle of a third continuity for Spider-Man in less than twenty years, with a fourth parallel one if we think of Miles Morales in Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse (which also introduces a lot of other alternate timelines for comedic purposes).
For Bond, we've had the novels (with or without the post-Fleming works), a long stretch of films that went from Dr. No to Die Another Day with five different actors that maintained some semblance of continuity, then the reboot starring Craig that turned out to be a five-entry miniseries, with a proper beginning and end, and now we're reaching some uncharted territories, except that it will a third filmic continuity.
What happens in one continuity doesn't really affect what takes place in another one. Book Bond ultimately avenged Tracy's death. For the first timeline of film Bond, it was some unfinished business. Then, in the Craig timeline, he met instead Madeleine, and he was the one who died. Maybe in the next continuity, the main story will be with a character from the novels, one from the classic films, one from the Craig years, or be something original.
Kind of like the dog named Dog appearing in Big Jake. Later, Mad Max 2 The Road Warrior.
French Wikipedia entry for doudou
It links to "Stuffed toy" as the English version.
I once had a cat who basically had his own doudou. He kept for months around him a stuffed article in the shape of an heart, a piece that must have come from some gift shop, and would carry it between his jaws without trying to tear it apart.
But he definitely had no name for it.
Why does the next film have to be a clean slate to begin with? Was anyone confused when Moore took over after Connery? Dalton after Moore? Brosnan after Dalton? Has there ever been a clean slate to begin with? Brosnan had Llewellyn's Q. Even Craig had Dench's M. NTTD's ending doesn't tidy anything up, it only further confuses everything. The Bond franchise only works across multiple eras because Bond doesn't ever die onscreen.
And if my memory is incorrect someone can redirect.
Years afterwards, it was fixed in the subtitles, but for years, when I watched the film, the monologue was about a man-eating counter, which made it even more surreal. And which is still part of the film as far as my first impressions and memories go.
But I really digress now.
I agree, there's some great humour. At our local cinema tonight, there were a lot of chuckles (including mine), when Bond and Moneypenny turn up at Q's home and Bond looks at the cat and says "You know they come with fur these days". I love it.
I’m enjoying these; good facts! :)
I liked nearly everything else about it. It's a really good enseble. Craig of course, Seydoux, Fiennes, Waltz, Lynch, and AdA (who would have been a really good main Bond Girl) were all good. The action scenes were good. Despite the dull, mumbly Billie Eilish song it's one of the best title sequences they've ever had. Zimmer's score is fantastic and deserves a nod.
Loved that they played the old Louis Armstrong song over the end credits, one of many OHMSS callbacks. I waited to the end and yes, it said "James Bond will return".
I did have fun with it seeing it in the theater for the first time, but I rewatch my tenish or so favorite Bond films every few years (planning on doing a bunch over Christmas this year) an this isn't going to be one of them going forward, it's more middle of the pack. Since I was one of the only people on the planet who liked it I would have been fine with him going out with Spectre.
That might be the one thing we *can* all agree on now. ;)
:))
I had a thought for a cool backstory for Safin:
Perhaps he and his family lived in an impoverished, overpopulated part of the world and were struggling to make ends meet. Enter Mr. White, an agent of Spectre, who comes to them and promises that his organization will give them a new place to live, money, food, everything they could have dreamed of. Safin's family can't imagine what Spectre's motivation to help them would be, but they're in no position to say no.
Mr. White then brings them to their island where they live and have all the things that were promised to them. But the cost is that Spectre was using the family to test their biological weapons on, a horrific cost indeed. The family suffers at the hands of Spectre, but a scarred Lyutsifer survives and escapes.
It could have gone a bit of the way to defining his motivation to rid the world of a large percentage of the population (more resources to go around, same old dream), and his motivation against Spectre.
Why would Spectre send White to obtain this family in particular? I hadn't gotten that far yet, but maybe they weren't picky and just picked them at random. Maybe Father Safin had some connection to Mr. White / Spectre (tried to make a deal with them before, or something). Anyways, just a thought.
halcyon days :))
Haha I randomly got it immediately after mi6.co.uk moved here (before the Bond 24 title was unveiled). Haven't commented much since then though.
Lucky duck (or cuckoo)!
I agree. To me it's akin to naming a doll "Dolly" or that sort of thing. Even if it's a case of mistaken translation, I think it works perfectly fine.
Agreed @MakeshiftPython. This was the second video of this type that I have watched, and in both cases, they insist that the only reason NTTD wasn’t totally “woke” was because they reshot part of the movie after complaints.
In the middle of a worldwide pandemic, EON was able to refilm major scenes and redub dialogue without the whole world knowing about it! Of course…….
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I viewed this as another Craig era subversion of a Bond trope. If Bond had been racing back to close the doors, been shot three times, killed Safin, opened doors, and made it out with ten seconds to spare while still managing to survive his wounds, the public would have mostly widely accepted it as okay because Bond can't die. He always survives. He always finds a way. He is immortal. He makes it out of every impossible life-threatening situation and saves the world. (Just see many arguments on this thread that make this very point in order to offer critique of this movie.) But he didn't. Because of the nanobots. The insertion of that plot point changed everything. This Bond was never going to fulfill the Bond trope of surviving the impossible because he didn't want to live without his family. So I viewed it as the writers' way of presenting the audience with the familiar while showing that this Bond is very much not familiar. He wanted a life with his family not just any life at all.
All this to say, if we would be willing to accept him surviving those clearly fatal wounds to service a "Bond always survives" plot, then I'm not sure we can use the same wounds to discredit his choice in the plot we were given.
Earlier in the film Felix mentioned returning to his family with another tale of saving the world. It wasn't meant to be, and played up his loss.
Still another connection in the dialog is the proposal by Felix and others it's a good life and similar sentiment. Bond DID live an exceptionally good life on many sides, surely that's true for most all of us even if we don't stop to assess it that way.