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I don't get why people would want this but OK. Let's say even the craziest 'hypothetical' that people are debating actually does come to pass... Pie in the sky thinking and all that. Just the logistics of it would be a little odd Craig would be like, what, pushing 60? So we go from retired Bond to zimmerframe Bond. Now do they really want that in the next Bond film? I don't. The ending was fine and it capped the era off poetically.
But anyway just picture me forever amused at this thread in general and you get a fair idea of where I am with it while I'm reading all this right now.
One word: Moonraker. That gritty post-modern analysis of sociological hierarchies. Oh wait.
Yeah. Its pretty clear he just stood there and didn't move as it rained missiles. I guess some fans can't accept it. As much as I hate that ending, I have to accept Craig's Bond is dead because its so obvious. To quote from the movie, "Letting go is hard."
This is very well said, @jetsetwilly. And people who go around saying it's just another literary character, and that we can today change its race, its gender, its depiction, ..., simply don't understand the aetiology of it, and don't respect the author and creator of this fandom. It's not a question of being a true fan or less of a fan, no, it's a question of being informed and able to respect intelectual property.
But Fleming did marry and have kids, and he did die, didn't he? I really don't see the problem...
Because his fantasy was created to escape from it all. Simple as that.
And it serves as escapism to all of us too.
Like I said, simple as that.
Harder to imagine that in a day of DNA databases.
SP is by far the most psychoanalytic film of the bunch. It’s filled with so much symbolisms dealing with both Jung, Proust and Freud as well. Coincidentally, Bond falls in love with a psychiatrist and suffers brain surgery. This may be my favorite "symbolic shot" and it screams Carl Jung's “Shadow,” the archetype that represents the hidden side of every human psyche.
I'm really puzzled why so many Bond fans rate this one so poorly. By any chance would anyone be willing to offer a brief explanation for the dislike directed toward Spectre? Is it the length? The Blofeld plot? Something else?
Browse the categories for SPECTRE. You'll find several threads essentially discussing the same things. Some of us defend SP, some call it the worst film ever made (worse even than any output by Ed Wood, Al Adamson, ... go figure.) Anyway, there you will find what you seek.
I think the most common criticisms are the foster brother angle, the pacing, and the action.
The "Brofeld" thing in particular doesn't seem to sit well with most fans. The most nefarious Bond villain of all is the way he is because he was jealous of Bond's relationship with his father. Speaking of relationships, I know a lot of fans feel that Bond and Madeleine's relationship is underdeveloped. Fortunately this is rectified greatly in NTTD.
Regarding pacing, the constant cutting back to the M/C plot seems to slow things down. There really is no big finale. Just Blofeld hanging up some pictures he printed off at Walmart's photo desk to mess with Bond's head while Q and M deal with taking the Nine Eyes program offline.
The action set pieces themselves never really build the momentum needed either, but that much is subjective. I like Spectre myself, but I completely understand why it's not a favourite. Coming off of Skyfall was never going to be an easy feat.
Blofeld's grand scheme was to found a secret terrorist organization, somehow bring about the events of CR-SF (still don't buy it) to eventually lure Bond to his crater base so he can drill holes into his head, all to get back at Bond because daddy didn't love him enough. That's literally more retarded than the plot to Die Another Day.
Me too. I'm finding it difficult to compare with NTTD at the moment though. NTTD is clearly a better film in just about every department, except the ending, so I'm not sure which I would place higher.
Stick the happy end of SP onto the end of NTTD and I would have a completely different view of NTTD. It would shoot up drastically in my rankings.
If you want to be rude, I can be rude too
But instead I'll take the high road
Lol, since when was James Bond "reality"?
Because "more retarded" isn't strong enough, it's now "literally more retarded". I get it.
Except that nothing here is "retarded". But maybe I just prefer a classier vocabulary when discussing films as grown-ups. I try not to be... too retarded about things. @Ryan agrees with me, I'm sure. ;-)
Thank you, sir.
I've always liked SPECTRE and thought that, although it doesn't completely succeed as entertainment, there's a lot going on thematically and symbolically. In fact, I've argued on these forums that the story as presented is basically a nightmare, and Blofeld's character represents a part of Bond's psyche and is not meant to be taken literally.
You and me both. ;)
As you can see, some people don't like it because they think this is the plot of the film.
I only quoted him to show how some people don't understand the movie, and don't like it because of their misunderstanding!
100% agree with you, sorry, I just get tired of seeing that sort of thing in the community; I'd love for us to be better than that.
@MakeshiftPython @jetsetwilly love that we agree on Spectre! Although I imagine I'd put it a touch higher on my ranking than yours. I also agree with you @jetsetwilly that NTTD is probably objectively better film than SP in nearly every regard, but SP still holds a special place in my heart for some reason.
The reality of the plot. Bond died.
Yes. It was confirmed in the film, and confirmed several times after the fact by those creatively in charge of the film.
That is a common misinterpretation. The film never implies that the purpose of all Blofeld's crimes is centered around getting back at Bond.
Despite the fact that he mentions he's behind the deaths of Vesper and M?
Yes, he is. But that's not what we are discussing. The theory is that every single scheme Blofeld and Spectre is behind is designed to ruin Bond's life. Not true. The Nine Eyes scheme for example would have gone through anyway. It's only coincidence that Bond is involved in it.
He’s right. They literally say that Blofeld messing with Bond’s life was just a direct consequence of Bond messing with Blofeld’s business. That was Blofeld’s answer to Bond interfering with his dirty schemes. Blofeld never thought about Bond before he started jeopardizing SPECTRE stuff.