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Numbers keep doubling ... I think we (U.S.) is only a week or so behind Italy; is that correct?
2 weeks at most. France and Spain are a bit closer to reaching Italy’s situation than the US. The UK are more or less mirroring the US, so both will likely have their death-toll explode at the same time. And then we have Iran who are letting the virus run rampant in their country because the government believes the virus will disappear naturally at some point.
Spain, Iran, Italy and China are the only countries above 1,000 deaths. China and Italy are the only countries above 3,000 deaths, and Italy the only one above 4,000 deaths.
That's good. It could be hard to accept, lot of people still haven't understand it even here in Milan, but the only way to stop the virus spreading is staying home. On the other hand, speaking about myself, the idea of not seeing anyone for at least another 6 weeks (it's not official yet but it will be) is devastating but I must accept it... ah and tomorrow the army will be officially in the streets of Milan making sure everyone stays home.
It's such a sad state that army have to intervene for people to stay at home.
I love how clean the streets are, and how fresh the air is. It s wonderful.
Our football season is going ahead in empty stadiums for the time being.
The boost too moral for everyone in Australia has been great. For those of us that like footy, it's given us a little ray of sunshine, in an other bleak outlook.
Maybe not for all Australians, but for many that I've spoken too, it's been very positive that AFL has proceeded.
This. Quarantine is the only surefire way to terminate the spread of a virus. We’ve known this since at least the Middle Ages, probably longer.
A virus particle only lives a few days. If the human that is carrying the virus is isolated for a few weeks, then all the virus particles they could have passed on to others are dead. It’s pure Darwinism, really. We talk about masks and goggles and biohazard suits and stuff but the best way is simply not to come into contact with any other human being anyway.
What we can do in the 21st century, which earlier centuries could not do so easily, is trace people’s movements. This means we know who to quarantine. We test, quarantine, track where they’ve been and who they’ve met, then we test those other people, quarantine again, track again, test, quarantine, track, test, quarantine, track. An absolute onslaught on the virus.
Some governments have surrendered the fight before it’s even beginning. So they are not testing or tracking on anything like the scale that’s required.
This seems to me like giving up all the advantages which living in the 21st century has given us. Instead we are behaving like medieval people (“do you have symptoms? Go into quarantine. No symptoms? Walk around!”).
Technically, a virus cannot die since it's not really alive either; it's merely a wee bit of genetic material wrapped up in proteins. Most viruses are tough to destroy too; many can survive for a long time well below the freezing point of water or even in pretty nasty chemicals. Heating them above 70 °C (158 °F) causes denaturation of the proteins and will render the virus "dead", whatever that means. Also, once activated, viruses have a limited amount of time to "survive" without a host. Their evolution is, however, not exactly Darwinian in the usual sense of the word, though it's fair to state things that way.
I don't quite agree with that. We are not giving up the advantages of the 21st century; we're using them at full force. The most sophisticated labs in the world, using the fastest computers in the world, are working day and night to develop chemicals that might prove effective in the battle against COVID-19. Direct communications between labs worldwide, and the constant exchange of information, enabled by all that we have in the IT department, will prove very beneficial. The Internet, meanwhile, is giving many people across the globe constant access to updates. On the psychological side of things, the perks of modern technology include digitalized social interaction, the ability to still visit shops (online), and more.
If, however, you are making a statement about how our LEADERS are dealing with the matter, then, @IGotABrudder, I very much agree with you. Suddenly, "let's build a wall" and "Brexit now!" seem like a waste of time, money and possibly more. A little bugger, smaller than what a traditional light microscope can detect, is giving all of these things the finger.
There seems to be a lot of doomsaying on this thread. I suppose it's understandable given the grim nature of the virus and how it's spread across the globe. However, I hope those people that are giving future predictions will have the good grace to admit they're wrong if they turn out to be. Predicting x number of deaths within a short space of time is somewhat foolish because no-one truly knows. For example, I doubt anyone would have said "given the source of the outbreak is in China it's very likely Italy will be hit just as bad." No-one could have predicted that so I think it's potentially foolish to make predictions about the mid-to long term impact of coronavirus in the UK.
I'm fine to say I will apologise for this post if it turns to be ignorant optimism or foolish downplaying of the virus. The actual death rate in the UK is astonishingly small (less than 200 people have died of coronavirus out of population of 66 million) and yes, perhaps that's a naive way to look at coronavirus but I'm going on the current stats, not what will happen in two weeks time, or a month or several months. If the death toll is still low in two weeks - four weeks I hope people on this thread will have the good grace to admit they were wrong in scare mongering. If I am wrong and the stats are way higher, approaching the 700 - 1000 mark I'll apologise.
I think we are experiencing mass worldwide hysteria and overreaction. Again, I could be completely wrong and ignorant but it's just my gut feeling. Regardless of my or anyone else's gut feeling, the one fact 99 percent of all people are choosing to ignore is the recovery rate massively outweighs the death rate. As of today 21/03/2020:
Coronavirus cases worldwide: 286,664
Deaths:11,888
Recovered: 93,598
I am prepared to say I believe we may be experiencing the biggest overreaction in world history. I could be outrageously, woefully wrong. I do not regard 11,000 deaths out of seven billion people enough of a reason to lockdown many countries in the world, potentially causing massive economic hardship on millions of people. I think the giveaway is the recovery rate. Far higher than the death rate. Meaning most people won't die from cr meaning there is no reason to impose such draconian measures on millions of people.
I've also noted not one person on this thread has mentioned the much higher recovery rate! The doomsayers will say "Italy is terrible, 4000 dead, it's going to get much worse for everyone" but someone could easily argue the opposite - "more people worldwide are recovering from cr than dying from it." So which is the truth, the objective reality?
You can pick your narrative to suit your perception of reality. That is true of almost everything in life. Brexit is terrible vs Brexit is amazing. Coronavirus threatens the world vs flu kills more people. Lockdown is essential vs lockdown will ruin the economy and people's standard of living. You can pick and choose what to believe.
Or you can pick your narrative based on which thread you post in.
This post seems like the doomsaying you complained about in your first post.
I'll tell you one thing, I was all for going down the pub and having a 'last pint' last night, but some of the well-considered responses on this thread made me stay in.
The reason for lockdown is to keep the numbers as low as possible. Just because the numbers are comparatively low, in ratio to the number of people in the word, doesn't mean we're over-reacting by being careful.
Comparing the past 4 weeks:
Feb 22nd to Feb 29th: +517 deaths.
Feb 29th to March 7th: +622 deaths.
March 7th to March 14th: +2,234 deaths.
March 14th to March 21st: +6,056 deaths.
As more and more countries are in virtual lockdown, it's possible to see a flattening of the curve in some countries next week.
https://time.com/5806312/coronavirus-treatment-cost/
EDIT: A record breaking 793 deaths in the overall country in the past 24 hours. Shocking.
It took China 3 months of total lockdown to stop the virus. Partial lockdowns in Europe started a week ago, in countries where the death-toll is already bigger than the total death count in China from November to March. Things will not get better before next year at the earliest.
Wow. Just wow!
You think the critical hospital crisis now facing Italy is just a massive overreaction?
If you also look at the trajectory of where Italy was 14 days ago, and where we are now in comparison, you can see every reason for us to go into lockdown.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=639962006077&set=a.580028862577&type=3&theater
This is now 2 days out of date. For the record, we are on the exact same number today as Italy's was for the equivalent day (7th March).
If we hit Italy's numbers in 10 days, I wonder what your response on here will be then? I hope you hang your head in shame. You've no idea how angry your post has made me feel.
Without mentioning that Lombardy has the 2nd best healthcare within the #2 NHS in the world. He will change his mind within the next couple of weeks...
Shocking that the 68% of today’s deaths in Italy are from Lombardy. This is why is capital to protect Milan.
Forget him changing his mind. This person should be banned on here for such outrageously disgusting comments. I'm tempted to use much stronger language on what I think of this person, but I won't as I'll be banned.
Please stay home.
I've already flagged this post to the moderators here. Hopefully they will do something about this absolute cretin.