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TLD - 2
TLD has a great score, was well written, and its tone was a breath of fresh air at the time. Dalton has never really won me over, though I appreciate his performance in TLD a lot more than I used to.
OHMSS - 2
TLD - 2
Honestly, I don't know if I could rank any of the other Bond movies above it. Good plot, iconic villain, and BEST Bond girl.
I love Dalton as Bond though, and TLD also gets points for John Rhys-Davies and the Walther sniper rifle. I hated the "romance" between Bond and Kara, though. They built it up as this whole puppy-love thing, but it's Bond, so she's completely gone and replaced by the time of the next movie (which makes it silly in retrospect).
If we must break it down though: Better Barry score, better director, better supporting cast, much better villain, better Bond girl.
The Best Bond Girl of all Time
Better Villians
Tougher Bond who does not rely on any gadgets but his fists (Lazenby could fight)
More Epic Scope
Better climatic battle Royale
Best Musical Score
OHMSS - 5
TLD - 2
TLD - 2
Lazenby for his part did not too bad a job in his only outing, as with Daylights, took over when Bond seemed a bit jaded and weary and put some vigor back in to the part, I would of liked to have seen him in more appearances.
There weren't any issues between Lazenby and the story. TLD had awkward jokes that were poorly delivered by Dalton. LTK is a much better representation of Dalton.
OHMSS also shaped the character, a lot. Several other Bond movies referenced it. TLD could be taken out of the Bond timeline with no effect
(I love TLD, don't get me wrong, but OHMSS is my favourite Bond movie.)
I will waste no words on the competition in this thread simply because they are sheer waste like the movie is.
OHMSS is just dribble...the storyline is mediocre and padded out, Lazenby isnt the best bond and his dress sense is just above Colin Baker's Doctors coat...but i do think that the music is really good and the ending is the best bit
I agree with @FromCanadaWithLove that Dalton didn't do justice to the one liners (Bond jokes are never funny but raise a laugh if the actor gets the delivery right). Lazenby struggled with them a little as well, but OHMSS was directed with a certain amount of flair, Hunt used soft focus and flowers to suggest the romantic intent of the story.
His editing style didnt cut it with everyone but fist fights are never clean and precise, they are awkward, rough and confusing. He gave that impression very well indeed.
It was a beautifully made film.
TLD is probably Glen's best effort. The pacing is good, the romance is good and convincing - Dalton has the element of surprise as a first time Bond and gets by thanks in part to that and in part to Maryam d'Abo's performance (she proves a leading lady can be vulnerable without being an air head). The action is top notch, but so is OHMSS.
For style as well as content OHMSS takes it.
OHMSS - 11
TLD - 4
So my vote goes to TLD. Better Bond, better Bond Girl, better chemistry between Bond 7 Bond Girl (not that there was any chemistry between Lazenby & Rigg, but still), better Villain(s), Better Music, better Editing... better everything.
Thanks, Major.
There's a lot of validity to that argument.
I love both films and both leading ladies but can't a similar argument be made for OHMSS? Tracy is murdered at the end. Then Bond is back hunting for Blofeld in DAF but no mention is made of Tracy, Bond doesn't appear to be in mourning for her and is quite happy to spend his time with Tiffany Case and Plenty O'Toole.
I hate the middle of OHMSS- nothing happens at all. It's the most boring part of any Bond movie ever. There's nothing to hold your attention after the meeting with Draco. I mean, you might as well just pick it up from the cable car escape to the end, but skip the scene in the barn with Tracy and Bond- nothing there either. Also, I'd pick Dalton over Lazenby anyday, anytime!
As for this thing with TLD's villains, I know they're not the coolest, but Necros makes up for it. He's better than Bunt, you've got to admit that. As for action, they're about equal once OHMSS actually gets going, but TLD still beats OHMSS in my book.
Even Daylights gets a bit dull every now and again but componsates in the knowledge that Dalton is in the lead role and there are other action scenes such as the Blayden safe house and Air strip in Afghanistan that gets things moving along. I can't argue the point some have made before that D'Abo was one of the most forgettable and colorless Bond girls ever to grace the series, she seemed like a more intelligent variation of Sutton from AVTAK is maybe the best way you could put it
Yeah, you do have a point. It was even rather tasteless that Bond and Tiffany were sharing the honeymoon suite.
I always attributed that though due to the fact that Connery was back so they didn't want to make any direct references to what happened when Bond was Lazenby (like they were pretending it never happened). I figured they would have addressed it better if Lazenby had returned in DAF, but we'll never know. At least Tracy was mentioned in later films.
Good points, I'd never thought of those. I just recently watched DAF, and I was a little disappointed in the direction they took the pre-title sequence. It should have been a lot better, considering how OHMSS ended.
Glad to see love for TLD. I would recommend the next time you try watching OHMSS, start around the 0:57 mark when "Sir Hilary Bray" enters the Alpine Room and meets the "angels of death" to the end. You'll find it a very fast-moving experiencing and it might improve your opinion of it.
And Miss Moneypenny asking "Peter Franks" for a diamond ring. Ironically, Bond's far more monogamous in DAF and Tiffany's in the film for most of the story unlike Tracy's 1 hour disappearance from OHMSS's story mid-film.
Indeed. A casual fan could watch all the Connery EON Bonds in order and go directly from YOLT to DAF and think Connery's Bond was just still in Japan looking for Blofeld after he escaped from the Japanese volcano.
True. That's one reason I enjoy the much-hated PTS to FYEO.
To me Lazenby is very much a better Bond compare to Dalton, his fighting scene far more convincing, his approach to ladies much more better.
OHMSS also had many talented actors/actresses. Telly Savalas as Blowfeld was awesome. Diana Rigg was also awesome.
The Living Daylights was a very respectable and underated James Bond movie - and Timothy Dalton was a very respectable and underated James Bond 7.5/10
But On Her Majesty's Secret Service was an outstanding Bond movie - I have not one criticism 9/10; and From Russia With Love and Casino Royale (possibly Thunderball) are the only Bond productions that could honestly compete in comparison.
I'd say that Dalton as Bond is the one thing that TLD has over OHMSS. In every other department I rate OHMSS higher.