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My thoughts exactly.
I keep getting surprised every time I return to Spectre, after increasingly longer gaps between viewings, how little I enjoy it. I didn't use to mind the movie too much, but it seems to really get worse for me every time I see it unfortunately. In fact, while I found myself rather enjoying DAD, and save for a few moments, finding really only the last 20 minutes or so unwatchable, it took me two sittings to get through Spectre. It's just become so offensive to me and quite a slog to get through.
Apologies for the dour take, but I can only be honest. I genuinely find Spectre to be now firmly at the bottom of the barrel. I can't think of a Bond movie I'd watch Spectre instead of at the moment, but hopefully that's just because I recently watched it. I was very pleasantly surprised by DAD, however.
Anyway, I still really enjoy and vigorously defend SP. I recognize it’s problems but to me it’s overall a good entry. I’m frankly flabbergasted when people say they enjoy DAD more than SP. I can feel my IQ tumble when I watch DAD. At worst I feel slightly annoyed at parts of the latter.
Its really sad when you take into account McClory was, in a way, screwed out of his legacy. I dislike his attempts to derail the franchise as much as anyone, but still, I can't help but feel somewhat bad for the guy.
Afraid I have the same opinion. I enjoy the PTS to an extent though, thought it had a great ending too.
Completely agree. Furthermore, DAD, for all its flaws, at least was a clear effort by all involved to make an exciting and great film, as misguided as it may have been. SP is so lazy in its writing, music, even setpieces, which I cannot say for DAD. Even Craig looks a bit bored in it.
Agreed. DAD is stupid, but fun. I can’t say that about SPECTRE.
But personally I’d hate to keep bashing SPECTRE in a thread that’s about singing it’s praises; so for anyone who loves SPECTRE, good on you, I’m happy you get something out of the film!
To ME, DAD is stupidly exciting, whilst SP is comfortably reminiscent.
Ya know, sometimes it’s fun to watch Travesties unravel themselves ;)
Agreed. Although isn't there an appreciation thread? I just gave my reassessment after not having seen it for a while. I thought this was the appropriate place, positive or negative.
Fair enough, I’m just talking about myself in that scenario. Please don’t be discouraged, and I apologize if you have been! I keep forgetting this isn’t “A SPECTRE Appreciation thread”, but an “SPECTRE Reassessment thread”
They're both rubbish, just for different reasons
DAD is utterly obnoxious.
The more I read about McClory, the more I dislike him. He put Fleming through the wringer when he wanted to release his TB novel (suffering a stroke during the court case I believe). Fleming was more at fault in how he dealt with the release of TB, but it felt like McClory got lucky once with his legal battle, and from then on for the rest of his life he would hang on the coat tails of Bond, pursuing legal battles wherever he could.
Remember, McClory rejected all the Fleming novels and focused on his own script, which shows how much vision he lacked as a filmmaker. He didn't see the potential in the likes of FRWL or GF until they were released by EON, and from then on he wanted to hang on to the franchise for dear life, and have a piece of the action.
Both TB and NSNA are not very strong scripts, and this is the only claim he had to Bond. I also think TB is the weakest of all the Bond novels, which again is quite telling of what a filmmaking genius McClory was. Fleming made the best of a crappy plot.
Oh no worries at all. I'm not discouraged, just wanted to make sure I understood properly the purpose of the thread.
The problem is I was 12 when I first saw DAD...
That’s a good point. Also don’t forget how he screwed Jack Wittingham as well! Would you think it’s fair to say that McClory and all his original legal wrangling arguably brought about the death of Fleming himself? Fleming did have a heart attack shortly after all that nonsense started.
McClory was probably directly responsible for the death of not only Fleming, but everyone involved with Bond, up to and including Peter Lamont. I am afraid it isn t over yet, but may escalate. Who will be his next victim?
That bastard! His reign of terror must come to an end! We have to protect Daniel Craig at all costs!
I hear he was also responsible for Sean Connery's death.
I think the legal case didn't help his condition, but the 60 fags and a bottle of gin a day may have also gone some way to contributing to his death.... ;)
Wait, you mean I you can’t treat your body like total garbage and expect to live? Darn it I’ve been deceived [-( [-(
Completely disagree about the TB script. It features some of the best one-liners and makes up for some of the novel's problems. The film's problems are more technical than anything in the script, although the Derval double thing is a stretch, I'll give you that.
How is the hijacking of bombs by a terrorist organization not a strong plot, particularly back then? The theft of all the gold in Fort Knox in the GF novel is so much more of a stretch.
The hijacking of the bombs is not really the issue. To me its lost by too much focus on SPECTRE and how it carries out the threat, Bond aimlessly on holiday in the Bahamas, and way too much underwater sequences.
I hope Lea Seydoux has more to do in NTTD, a great actress with a very thinly written character here,
Agree with everything you just said.
I don’t find Lea Seydoux that great, she just uninteresting as a presence, but that’s my opinion. The “love” story between Bond and Madeline is poorly done as well.