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That whole series is hilarious. I'm looking forward to the review of Craig's films next year.
Really? You honestly see those awful lines as one of the best parts of the series? Thankfully they're not in most of the films but still, I can't believe anyone finds those lines, something anyone could right, good.
Only the CGI has really aged.
I never said you did, just that you think a lot of the 'bad line' element. As for the camp in Bond, if done right at the correct time it can work, now just isn't that time.
What was that, Tamahori?- future action scenes could be 50% CGI? Get out of here! Go! Now! Nice review, by the way. I look forward to hearing some of that classic dialogue in SF.
Yes, Brosnan was the Bond I grew up with, so I find it hard to say bad things about him. I blame the writers.
Same here, I don't like being too critical of him but he wasn't always the greatest of actors either. As Haphazard says though "as Brosnan got better the films he was in just got worse and worse". So yeah, a combination of lazy writing and directing didn't help.
At this moment it is only rankt higher then GF, Moonraker, CR and Thunderball.
Mabey some day i going to be re-rank again.
.... it's no secret that I feel From Russia With Love is the best Bond movie to date, and my personal favorite.. to me, thats the epitome of what a Bond film should strive to be, every time out of the gate..
when the over the top camp goes to far - i really feel like a part of who Bond is supposed to be gets lost in the mix... not saying those films aren't and can't be fun - but i feel like it comes at a sacrifice of the character itself.
The reviewer gets DAD right in the first sentence.
"it seems more important to the producers to celebrate the anniversaries then come up with a decent film.."
Spot on.
(could be said of all Brosnan 007 films by the way: their endings - Cuba, Vietnam, Submarine, CGI - were lousy.) ;)
I just wonder there, could DAD have been a great film if it hadn't been for the anniversary? W/o all that in-joke trash, tribute and fawning to its own heritage?
The little touches I often found fun in DAD.
-Bond squeezing Zao's drip ("goood
But after Iceland, things just start to get weird. The thing about this film for me is that I enjoy it while watching it, then when it is over, I think of all the flaws about it. It's a good "popcorn" Bond film like MR or YOLT.
It's ok though I watched CR after that so I was fine :)
And what was truly unforgivable, Frost was so underused and had the potential to be the best baddie vamp ever.
I think brosnan is closer to flemming than craig. I love craig as bond, but flemmings bond wouldn't do half the stuff craig did. Dalton is still closest to flemming though.
As for DAD, yeah I think in afew years people will be defending it and praising it on sites like these. To me, TWINE is brosnans best outing, and goldenye is pretty good too. DAD has its moments, the PTS is good, I love the bit with the wheelchair when bond knocks out the guy, the idea of bond being captured is good, miranda frost is a great villianess, but over the top CGI and crappy theme spoils it for me, so its 22 on my ranking.
But lets face it, in the future there will probably be a bond film worse than DAD, for all we know skyfall could be worse (good director and good cast could still mean bad film), we just have to wait and see.
Agreed. Brosnan's DAD performance is closer to Fleming than Craig. Moore in TMWTGG is also closer to Fleming than Craig.
Fleming's Bond would not have done half the stuff he was shown doing on the screen since TMWTGG. The movies have become ever more focused on the action and stunt stuff. In the book LALD Bond thinks he and Solitaire are reasonably safe in their train compartment, only a daring circus artist would try and climb the roof and insert some kind of gas or weapon. Would that be filmed today we'd likely get that attack via roof, Bond would defend it and climb up ther himself and ther'd be a fight right on top of the compartment, with Solitaire trying to watch it and help Bond out. Such is the world of movie Bond. The books are much more low key affairs, the closest they come to the films is Bond's escape from Piz Gloria and in YOLT by the helium balloon across the sea.
Btw, Fleming can do with a single 'm', wasn't that generous a chap with those IIRC.
In some ways, yes indeed. Then again in some ways he wasn't. Dalton would have been great for OHMSS and YOLT and TMWTGG. But I missed the lighter tone he would need for GF, TB, LALD and the odd scenes of other books.
Judging by a number of comments so far, I'd say yes...surprisingly. Just a year ago when I joined this site, DAD was almost universally panned as the black sheep of the Bond series from what I could tell. It seemed like there was nothing this film could do right. Then people started to compliment Brosnan's performance. Now one member is calling it one of the best of the series! @-) Never thought I would see the day...
The style and tone of the Bond series seems to come and go in cycles. The same could be said for cinema as a whole. It's quite possible that audiences will eventually tire of the gritty, realistic, down to earth style of film-making and long for more escapist, pulp entertainment. This could mean a revival of appreciation for DAD...The problem it faces now, is that the beloved CR is considered the answer to DAD; it's the anti-DAD--the Bond series getting back to it's senses. So at the current moment it's not viewed positively (relatively speaking)....but I sense that maybe slowly changing.
I wonder if 20 years from now, new audiences will look back at the early days of CG with a bit of nostalgia? I mean there's a bit of campy charm in the rear projection shots of the Bond in a car in DN or GF, or in the sped-up shots of the speedboat in TB, or the space shuttle effects in YOLT or MR.
OK, it was the 40th anniversary, a significant milestone for the franchise, but I think someone got a bit carried away during production, Brosnan, like Moore before him, went out with a whimper and both their Bond swansongs will always be an attraction to ridicule and overall condemnation
It's a shame really, because if they had thrown by the wayside, Madonna, Berry, the asinine Invisible Car idea, surfing waves and Brosnan been a few years younger it may well have worked, and been one of the better Bonds, but for all it's negatives, it weighs it down considerably and the end product is just an embarrassment to the series
But, even though I disliked the film when it came out, I've now grown to like it. It's big, partially cheesy over the top big four-o adventure. It's still better than the so called Bond killers "xXx" and "xXx-2".
edit: I've grown to like it after Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Not because I hate Craig's films (I love them both and think Craig is an excellent Bond). But Die Another Day, between both TWINE (call it melodramatic or what ever) and the more hard edged Craig movies, Die Another Day has it's place as this fun, "throw in all your gizmos, lasers etc" fun fest. I don't even mind the Iceland surfing scene.
but do you think this is honest opinion?... or people who are jumping on a bandwagon?
Could be...but hating on DAD could also be seen as bandwagoning too, and a few brave souls have come out of the woodwork to defend it. I think in time, people maybe are seeing some positive qualities in context that might have been overlooked before.
I think the member who called it one of the better ones of the series has a very unique opinion, that's for sure! :-)
Die Another Day's windsurfing always looked horrible. It was never cutting edge, it was always garbage.
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Exactly. I remember sitting in the cinema in 2002 at the age of 17 thinking "this plane stuff looks silly". What suprises me is that none of the filmakers questioned it. Surely one would have said: "that looks fake".
All Bond movies have SOME good qualities about them - DAD is no exception.
made it through Part 1 of his review of DAD... and i gotta say - he's spot on on just about everything.... especially how they had the great chance to explore something more psychological with Bond, with 14 months of being tortured, and then subsequently burned by Mi6 and now forced to go rogue..... but nope, they toss that out the window fairly quickly and it's business as usual.
bits so far that i liked the most:
- hiding behind an invisible car (lolz)
- everything with Jinx
- and Jiffy Pop satellite (because when i first saw it in theaters, thats exactly what i thought as well)
Also you'll never watch Chitty Chitty Bang Bang in quite the same way again.