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  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    Nice catch! I think she’s talking to her tamagotchi or whatever though, isn’t she? Could be wrong.

    Yup. It was one of the few little tells that show you “this is the nineties”. Much more subtle than having a a date and place written on the screen. Same with her Walkman.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Yes, I think you're right.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Still puzzling how Madeline and Saffin have a large age disparity and yet in the second and third act they appear to be close in age. How is this possible? As far as I can remember there is no explanation for this age gap disappearing.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 4 Posts: 7,546
    thedove wrote: »
    Still puzzling how Madeline and Saffin have a large age disparity and yet in the second and third act they appear to be close in age. How is this possible? As far as I can remember there is no explanation for this age gap disappearing.

    It's a fair point, but I think with aging there is diminishing returns (a huge difference between 10 and 20, a smaller difference between 30 and 40, etc). Also we don't get a good look at Safin at all in the prologue. I have no problem believing Safin is "several years older" than Madeleine in all three acts.

    I don't know, it never bothered me but I can see why it would provoke some thought. People just look all kinds of different I suppose. Maybe they should have cast Paul Rudd as Safin.

  • edited November 5 Posts: 4,108
    thedove wrote: »
    Still puzzling how Madeline and Saffin have a large age disparity and yet in the second and third act they appear to be close in age. How is this possible? As far as I can remember there is no explanation for this age gap disappearing.

    I don't think they have a huge age gap. In the PTS Madeline's meant to be, what, 12 or so? Safin's a young man by that point (let's say 18 or possibly a bit older - that's the sense I always got). In the main story Madeline's about 34/35 and Safin's presumably around 40 or so.

    That's actually not far off the age of the actual actors at the time (I think there's a smaller gap between Malek and Seydoux, but it's not far off). I don't think there's any issue with aging. I think that impression is being created because we don't see Safin's face in the PTS and some people immediately fill it in with a 40 year old Rami Malek as opposed to an 18 year old Safin (which there's not really much you can do about one way or the other).
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Add to it that Bond looks older than Saffin which indicates a larger age gap with Madeline. Not sure how I feel about that.

    As for Saffin and the age question. Why have his picture in the home in Norway? I think that was got me noticing the age gap. I agree that a 35 year old and a 40 year old don't look as obvious as a 5 year old and a 10 year old.

    The age gap was problematic in the film for me. I was left to wonder why did they look to be similar age? IRL there are 4 years age difference between the Lea and Rami. There is a 17 year age gap between Daniel and Lea!
  • edited November 4 Posts: 4,108
    thedove wrote: »
    Add to it that Bond looks older than Saffin which indicates a larger age gap with Madeline. Not sure how I feel about that.

    As for Saffin and the age question. Why have his picture in the home in Norway? I think that was got me noticing the age gap. I agree that a 35 year old and a 40 year old don't look as obvious as a 5 year old and a 10 year old.

    The age gap was problematic in the film for me. I was left to wonder why did they look to be similar age? IRL there are 4 years age difference between the Lea and Rami. There is a 17 year age gap between Daniel and Lea!

    Yeah, Bond and Madeline have a much more significant age gap than Safin and her (pretty much the same as the actors themselves have. In SP she's about 30 I'd assume, and let's go with Bond in his mid 40s. Bond's meant to be in his early 50s by the main story of NTTD as he's meant to be slightly older than we've typically seen him being, and again Madeline's about 35).

    I don't think the file picture means much. It looks like it could be a snap and newspaper clipping from the 80s, and the PTS takes place in the late 90s. Again, there's probably 6-ish year age gap between Madeline and Safin (at the very most it'll be under 10 years), or at least you could easily argue there is.

    Unless there's anything I'm missing such as dates from the story not adding up, I'm pretty sure that's the idea. And to be fair NTTD has other age related discrepancies with its characters, but only if you're looking hard enough (I think Vesper's date of birth on her tombstone puts her at 23 when she died, which is a bit odd as Eva Green was 26 or something when she played the part, and it seems too young for someone with her job... I think Blofeld gets a very odd date of birth on a file as well which puts him in his 70s, but I could be wrong about that. Neither really matter or make any difference to the film incidentally).
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Damn you Malek for looking so problematically youthful!
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    How about the script address the age factor instead of ignoring it and creating an unnecessary issue.

    Why not have it be Saffin's father that killed the mom. Or cast an older actor as Saffin.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    It may bother some, but I really don't think it was material enough to need space in the script. They can't take the time to explain every little thing; I think there's more than enough explanation even on this page of the thread. 007HallY explains it perfectly.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 5 Posts: 16,344
    Agreed, I don't see an issue, unnecessary or otherwise. As HallY says: PTS- Madeline is 12 or so, Safin 17/18; main part of the film Madeline is 35ish, Safin is 40/41 maybe. Where's the problem?
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    Yeah, for a Bond film I thought the age/time jump was surprisingly well thought out. It’s definitely not as head scratching as working out Alec Travelyan’s age!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    Agreed, I don't see an issue, unnecessary or otherwise. As HallY says: PTS- Madeline is 12 or so, Safin 17/18; main part of the film Madeline is 35ish, Safin is 40/41 maybe. Where's the problem?

    Agreed. It kind of adds to Safin's creepiness that he's been lusting (?) after her all this time, or feels like their destinies are linked or that she owes him for sparing her. I think they could have leaned into Safin's obsession with her a bit more, TBH.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I agree, it was only kind of slightly touched on. It was there enough to work I think, and make the toxin vial make sense, but it was a nicely creepy element and could have played a bigger part.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Yeah, for a Bond film I thought the age/time jump was surprisingly well thought out. It’s definitely not as head scratching as working out Alec Travelyan’s age!

    Dear Alec had discovered the fountain of youth but didn't want anyone else to benefit from it. To the victor go the spoils.
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