Easter Eggs, Symbolism & Call Backs (Major Spoilers)

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  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    Excellent, haha .. thank you!
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    Thank you for spotting it. Some of these references to previous Bond films are tenuous, but I think this one has legs.

    By the way, the scientist they kidnap at the start clicks his pen not once but twice while he's at his computer. A Goldeneye reference? Or am I pulling it out my arse?
  • I posted this in another thread, but I see a parallel between Madeleine Swann and Octopussy - both being daughters of criminals that Bond had a history with and factored into their suicides.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    When I saw the procession in the cinema I just assumed it was a funeral but given how it's Italy I should've known it'd be some Catholic procession instead. There wasn't really enough time to properly see it in the film as the focus was obviously more on the car chase involving the DB5 that was going on instead.

    Nice hidden references there if that's what was intended. Well spotted and researched, @Feyador!
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    The procession's for a saint associated with orphans and Judgement Day? Outstanding - someone had obviously thought through all this imagery in quite some depth.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Good catch.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    I feel like some of these are definitely stretch, but I'll throw it up anyway.

  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited November 2021 Posts: 1,165
    I stopped watching when they claimed Bond was living *at* Goldeneye during the Jamaica scenes. A quick Google search would have told them that isn’t true. Clearly just a quickly churned out video that was poorly researched.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Minion wrote: »
    I stopped watching when they claimed Bond was living *at* Goldeneye during the Jamaica scenes. A quick Google search would have told them that isn’t true. Clearly just a quickly churned out video that was poorly researched.

    Right?
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited November 2021 Posts: 2,252
    jake24 wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Did anyone get strong "Surrender" (KD Lang) vibes when Bond meets Swann at her house?
    Which part? I’ll look out for it next time.

    @jake24
    First when Bond says "for what felt like 5 minutes of my life". It repeats twice.
    Then as Bond and Madeline kiss just before Matilde appears

    Sounds like the "...dies, surrender" part

    I doubt it's a reference but it's too similar for me to ignore
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    Ah, that's harsh, you guys ... I think it's pretty good overall, and nicely edited for comparative purposes.
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    Yeah but they need to fix the Goldeneye part saying the house is a nod to GE not the actual Fleming house.
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    "Bond and Felix having a drink at the bar is a nod to Quantum of Solace".

    Aw, come on!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I feel like some of these are definitely stretch, but I'll throw it up anyway.

    I feel like some of these are definitely stretch, but I'll throw it up anyway.


    Several I hadn t noticed here. Cool!
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    I feel like some of these are definitely stretch, but I'll throw it up anyway.

    I feel like some of these are definitely stretch, but I'll throw it up anyway.


    Several I hadn t noticed here. Cool!

    Me, too ...

    Apparently, the car used by Paloma in the Cuba sequence is a black '57 Chevy that is similar or identical to the one in Dr. No, in which Bond is picked-up by the enemy agent at the airport. Also, the hazmat suits used in the lab in London and the pink suits used by Safin workers towards the end all lend credence to the idea that, at some stage in the development of NTTD, Safin was meant to be Dr. No himself. Especially in relation to that point in the film where one of his henchmen actually addresses him as "doctor," while they stand in a corridor with Dr. No-style circular grating above them.

    I wonder if the filmmakers got cold feet about that late in the process and decided to excise all obvious references to Safin as Dr. No, but somehow forgot one? Seems unlikely, but ... it does kind of feel that way. And if so, it might help explain why some of Safin's motivation and relationship to Madeleine is all a bit hazy - it was cut from the film.

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    Safin was intended as Doctor No. The Kabuki mask in the intro is a dead giveaway.

    Google "kabuki masks art of noh". Funny eh? The. Art. Of. Noh.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2021 Posts: 3,152
    Stamper wrote: »
    Safin was intended as Doctor No. The Kabuki mask in the intro is a dead giveaway.

    Google "kabuki masks art of noh". Funny eh? The. Art. Of. Noh.

    Yes, indeed - there's so many allusions and references, but the mask's the clincher. This thread alone shows how much symbolism there is in NTTD - no way was that mask a coincidence. Oops, I said 'no' way...
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2021 Posts: 3,152
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  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 735
    Stamper wrote: »
    Safin was intended as Doctor No. The Kabuki mask in the intro is a dead giveaway.

    Google "kabuki masks art of noh". Funny eh? The. Art. Of. Noh.

    I guess this is what happens when you cross-pollinate the Dr. No character with the concluding setting of You Only Live Twice, the novel ...

    You know, it's interesting that the Noh theatrical mask is associated with traditional Japanese culture, as are other elements in Safin's lair. Maybe it doesn't matter but, at least in the novel, Dr. No is of a Chinese/German background (in the film, too, if I recall correctly), and he has none of these Japanese associations. But in NTTD Safin is (I think) Russian ...

    ... but whatever the case, evidently a man of the world is our Dr. Safin. And cultural identity is so fluid these days anyway ....

  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Safin was a throwback to Dr. No, but at no point was he literally going to be him.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited November 2021 Posts: 1,261
    00Heaven wrote: »
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    Seriously though I like the idea but probably an accident :D.

    I always thought, that Bob Ross might be a funny Q. Or a villain, who loves to beat the devil out of his brush.



    That's supposed to be a joke, not trolling. I am a big fan of Bob Ross.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Feyador wrote: »
    The religious procession in Matera is for Saint Vincenzo Ferrer. "S. Vincenzo Ferrer," is on the banner the crowd is holding. When I saw the name of "Vincenzo" I immediately thought of Teresa di Vincenzo, aka Tracy.

    Whether this is intended to invoke her name or not, I don't know ... but after a cursory search, the procession doesn't appear to be one native to Matera (though I wouldn't rule it out). The saint is better known as St. Vincent Ferrer, and is more associated with Spain than Italy.

    Also, his feast day is April 5th, perhaps coincidentally the day on which Albert R. Broccoli was born.

    That certainly sounds like it might be intentional, great spot.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2021 Posts: 12,480
    The festival in Matera is genuine. I'm not saying it was happening anyway when they filmed it; that I do not recall. But it is real.

    Safin has nods to Dr. No, sure; but I am glad they did not name the character Dr. No or take it any further than what we got.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    00Heaven wrote: »
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    Seriously though I like the idea but probably an accident :D.

    I always thought, that Bob Ross might be a funny Q. Or a villain, who loves to beat the devil out of his brush.



    That's supposed to be a joke, not trolling. I am a big fan of Bob Ross.

    That’s ok, Bob Ross is as important as a influence to me as a person and artist as the people who have taken part in the James Bond adventures.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited November 2021 Posts: 13,790
    In SP:
    After the plane crashes into the Land Rover, Bond cautions Madeleine.
    Bond: "You need to take a breath and calm down. You're in shock."
    In NTTD:
    Bond at Vesper's tomb receives the explosion full on.
    He's shown struggling to recover from its effects: physical and likely psychological shock.
    He doesn't have time to consider how it affects his judgment.

    But we know many times people who can't take advice always insist on giving it.

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited November 2021 Posts: 13,790
    More happenstance than anything maybe.

    Mentioned elsewhere: actress Mathilde Bourbin plays Madeleine's mother (and therefore Mathilde's grandmother.).

    Noticed: producer Kevin McClory reportedly served as a merchant seaman radio operator on the vessel Mathilda during WWII.

    Also: Roald Dahl's own Matilda.

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I’m unaware if others have noticed this but it caught my eye the very first viewing. The image of Vesper on her tomb is taken from the exact moment in CR where she says to Bond “I would if I knew what it was” when discussing the password to the account.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I’m unaware if others have noticed this but it caught my eye the very first viewing. The image of Vesper on her tomb is taken from the exact moment in CR where she says to Bond “I would if I knew what it was” when discussing the password to the account.

    Interesting, you seem to be more of an CR expert than I am (altough CR is my favourite).

    According to Vesper's tomb: Was Vesper really supposed to be only 23 years old in CR?
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 1,397
    jake24 wrote: »
    I’m unaware if others have noticed this but it caught my eye the very first viewing. The image of Vesper on her tomb is taken from the exact moment in CR where she says to Bond “I would if I knew what it was” when discussing the password to the account.

    Interesting, you seem to be more of an CR expert than I am (altough CR is my favourite).

    According to Vesper's tomb: Was Vesper really supposed to be only 23 years old in CR?

    Considering Eva Green was 26 IRL it didn't seem too much of a stretch to me!

    Also funny this reminds me of the posters Blofeld printed off at the end of SP, just the characters headshots and frames from the films :))
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    The modernist abstract painting prominently featured in the scenes set in M's office throughout NTTF is Paul Nash's 1944 "The Battle of Germany." It's owned by the Imperial War Museum and is especially noteworthy during the coda in which the MI6 crew toast Bond. The IWM, below, describes the painting as an "aerial view of a bombing raid on a city" and it may remind us of the preceding scene, which of course is the missile attack on Poison Island.

    The painting was probably chosen by NTTD set decorator Véronique Melery. Whether she borrowed the original for the film or had a reproduction made, I don't know ...

    https://iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/20104
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