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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    I have only seen Rogue Nation a couple of times to be fair, because I found it disappointing after Ghost Protocol, and I don’t really go out of my way to rewatch these films (it’s more a “might stick it on if I’m channel surfing” sort of series for me), so you’re right, I don’t remember those examples. Fallout is the only one that’s fresh in my memory, and that one was intentionally more serious in tone (not a criticism, I liked it because I felt it had more of its own identity than RN), so maybe he is better at the slapstick stuff than I remember, might be being unfair there.

    I think Craig’s Bond gets poked fun at him plenty though. I can’t really imagine the leading lady in an MI film laughing at Hunt in the way Vesper does at Bond checking himself out in his tux, and I definitely can’t imagine anything like the scene with Nomi at Bond’s house in NTTD, where she rejects him and makes a few digs at his age (another good example of what I’m on about, the geezer is 60 but I doubt we’ll see the films address that). But like I said, I don’t know these films as well as you do, so again I could be forgetting some examples.

    I don’t think those are hugely strong examples to be honest, and they don’t make him look silly or go full comedy as Hunt does at times. Ghost Protocol even ends with the other characters laughing at the cheesiness of Hunt’s heroic line in the climax; these films know they can be silly sometimes.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited December 2021 Posts: 12,837
    @CraigMooreOHMSS Yeah you could definitely say the same about Bourne (although for me that worked a little better, because his whole thing was not knowing who he was). And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing or that the films don’t work really well for what they are, I think Hunt in the last few films has done exactly what he needs to. I’d just be reluctant to call him or Bourne a really great character like I would Bond. But that’s just my personal preference to be fair, they’re not really going for that sort of thing, and as a member on a Bond fansite I guess I am obviously very biased.
    mtm wrote: »
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    I have only seen Rogue Nation a couple of times to be fair, because I found it disappointing after Ghost Protocol, and I don’t really go out of my way to rewatch these films (it’s more a “might stick it on if I’m channel surfing” sort of series for me), so you’re right, I don’t remember those examples. Fallout is the only one that’s fresh in my memory, and that one was intentionally more serious in tone (not a criticism, I liked it because I felt it had more of its own identity than RN), so maybe he is better at the slapstick stuff than I remember, might be being unfair there.

    I think Craig’s Bond gets poked fun at him plenty though. I can’t really imagine the leading lady in an MI film laughing at Hunt in the way Vesper does at Bond checking himself out in his tux, and I definitely can’t imagine anything like the scene with Nomi at Bond’s house in NTTD, where she rejects him and makes a few digs at his age (another good example of what I’m on about, the geezer is 60 but I doubt we’ll see the films address that). But like I said, I don’t know these films as well as you do, so again I could be forgetting some examples.

    I don’t think those are hugely strong examples to be honest, and they don’t make him look silly or go full comedy as Hunt does at times. Ghost Protocol even ends with the other characters laughing at the cheesiness of Hunt’s heroic line in the climax; these films know they can be silly sometimes.

    I think it’s self depricating in the sense that the film is mocking the whole super suave top shagger shtick, and making its hero look a bit tragic. Bond himself is never self depricating, because he’s meant to be a brash and sure of himself. But I think the newer films have done a good job of balancing that with other characters and the world around him taking him down a peg or two. I guess it’s an unfair comparison though, because Bond is a more flawed character, Hunt doesn’t really need taking down a peg in the same way. But that’s why I struggle to warm to him personally.

    I had forgotten that bit in Ghost Protocol though, where Luther takes the piss out of him at the end. Again, I think I just had Fallout fresh in my mind (bits like Luther and Alec Baldwin talking about how great a hero Hunt is) and I’m probably unfairly applying what I remember of that to the whole series.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think they clearly are slightly different in the way they treat their main character: the Bond films very much celebrate James Bond and have always been about him, his likes and dislikes, his cars, suits, coolness etc. The MI films meanwhile are very much about the plots and excitement foremost, and although Hunt is the main character, the films aren't really a celebration of him; MI has always, right back to the TV show, been about the heist rather than convincing you that you should love the central characters. They'd even swap the main characters from episode-to-episode.
    Just look at their two different theme tunes: the James Bond theme is a swaggering brassy number which gets played whenever Bond does something incredibly cool and underlines the hero worship the films treat him with; where the MI theme is a driving, exciting number which isn't about swagger, just getting down to business. There's even a secondary theme, which isn't named after a character: it's just all about The Plan.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    edited December 2021 Posts: 654
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MOD EDIT: NTTD spoilers have been spoiler tagged.
    It’s amazing how strong Ethan Hunt is going as an action hero while Bond gets scraped by some piece of glass by the villain and infected and as a result has to “suicide” himself. Lol!!! Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    The M:I series just gets stronger while Bond continues to flounder. It’s telling that the Craig films (with the exception of CR and SF) are at the very bottom of the series, below the likes of DAF, AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR and the Brosnan films. Even below NSNA.

    WOAH not by all bond fans

    even Craig's worst film Spectre I would put above Daf Diaminds etc
    DAF trumps QOS and SP on Tom Mankiewicz’s witty dialogue alone! Those Craig films have some of the clunkiest and boring lines in the entire series. I could come up with wittier dialogue myself. I almost fell out of my chair when Fiennes said “C” is for “careless”. Like, really????? Who wrote this? An 8 year old?

    I also struggle with the praise for the dialogue in NTTD. I don’t know what Waller Bridge contributed but nothing jumps out at me as being memorable or humorous. Even the “thirsty” line from Bond to M pales in comparison to the stuff that Mankiewicz was able to write for his 3 Bond films. Say what you will about those 3 Guy Hamilton films (LALD is a stone cold classic for me and TMWTGG is criminally underrated) but their dialogue is razor-sharp!!!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,134
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MOD EDIT: NTTD spoilers have been spoiler tagged.
    It’s amazing how strong Ethan Hunt is going as an action hero while Bond gets scraped by some piece of glass by the villain and infected and as a result has to “suicide” himself. Lol!!! Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    The M:I series just gets stronger while Bond continues to flounder. It’s telling that the Craig films (with the exception of CR and SF) are at the very bottom of the series, below the likes of DAF, AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR and the Brosnan films. Even below NSNA.

    WOAH not by all bond fans

    even Craig's worst film Spectre I would put above Daf Diaminds etc
    DAF trumps QOS and SP on Tom Mankiewicz’s witty dialogue alone! Those Craig films have some of the clunkiest and boring lines in the entire series. I could come up with wittier dialogue myself. I almost fell out of my chair when Fiennes said “C” is for “careless”. Like, really????? Who wrote this? An 8 year old?

    I also struggle with the praise for the dialogue in NTTD. I don’t know what Waller Bridge contributed but nothing jumps out at me as being memorable or humorous. Even the “thirsty” line from Bond to M pales in comparison to the stuff that Mankiewicz was able to write for his 3 Bond films. Say what you will about those 3 Guy Hamilton films (LALD is a stone cold classic for me and TMWTGG is criminally underrated) but their dialogue is razor-sharp!!!

    Well it's always based on our own opinion. However this is a Mission Impossible thread @ringfire211 so let's leave the Craig bashing out of it. Thanks.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,369
    The careless line is pretty decent, I'd say. Got a good laugh in the cinema I was in, anyway.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 2021 Posts: 4,619
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MOD EDIT: NTTD spoilers have been spoiler tagged.
    It’s amazing how strong Ethan Hunt is going as an action hero while Bond gets scraped by some piece of glass by the villain and infected and as a result has to “suicide” himself. Lol!!! Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    The M:I series just gets stronger while Bond continues to flounder. It’s telling that the Craig films (with the exception of CR and SF) are at the very bottom of the series, below the likes of DAF, AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR and the Brosnan films. Even below NSNA.

    WOAH not by all bond fans

    even Craig's worst film Spectre I would put above Daf Diaminds etc
    DAF trumps QOS and SP on Tom Mankiewicz’s witty dialogue alone! Those Craig films have some of the clunkiest and boring lines in the entire series. I could come up with wittier dialogue myself. I almost fell out of my chair when Fiennes said “C” is for “careless”. Like, really????? Who wrote this? An 8 year old?

    I also struggle with the praise for the dialogue in NTTD. I don’t know what Waller Bridge contributed but nothing jumps out at me as being memorable or humorous. Even the “thirsty” line from Bond to M pales in comparison to the stuff that Mankiewicz was able to write for his 3 Bond films. Say what you will about those 3 Guy Hamilton films (LALD is a stone cold classic for me and TMWTGG is criminally underrated) but their dialogue is razor-sharp!!!

    While this is the MI thread, I would like to say that Tom Mankiewicz was a bit of a hypocrite. He criticized Superman 3 for being a Richard Pryor comedy, and Mario Puzo’s original 500 page script for being campy, which they were, compared to his 2 Superman films. However, he shouldn’t be off the hook for his 3 Bond films, which were so campy that they almost killed the series. Guy Hamilton can be blamed a bit as well. Sometimes I think he was more focused on looking for women, rather than writing decent material. He says so in his autobiography.

    As for MI, I am looking forward to seeing what they have to offer, as this is one rare series that seems to get better with each entry, minus 2 over 1. It’s nice to see Hayley Atwell get more notice, as I think she’s underrated.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    mtm wrote: »
    The careless line is pretty decent, I'd say. Got a good laugh in the cinema I was in, anyway.

    I would have preferred if they had left the "Careless" bit out. But I suppose that would probably be pushing it a bit considering the implications of the line previous.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 654
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MOD EDIT: NTTD spoilers have been spoiler tagged.
    It’s amazing how strong Ethan Hunt is going as an action hero while Bond gets scraped by some piece of glass by the villain and infected and as a result has to “suicide” himself. Lol!!! Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    The M:I series just gets stronger while Bond continues to flounder. It’s telling that the Craig films (with the exception of CR and SF) are at the very bottom of the series, below the likes of DAF, AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR and the Brosnan films. Even below NSNA.

    WOAH not by all bond fans

    even Craig's worst film Spectre I would put above Daf Diaminds etc
    DAF trumps QOS and SP on Tom Mankiewicz’s witty dialogue alone! Those Craig films have some of the clunkiest and boring lines in the entire series. I could come up with wittier dialogue myself. I almost fell out of my chair when Fiennes said “C” is for “careless”. Like, really????? Who wrote this? An 8 year old?

    I also struggle with the praise for the dialogue in NTTD. I don’t know what Waller Bridge contributed but nothing jumps out at me as being memorable or humorous. Even the “thirsty” line from Bond to M pales in comparison to the stuff that Mankiewicz was able to write for his 3 Bond films. Say what you will about those 3 Guy Hamilton films (LALD is a stone cold classic for me and TMWTGG is criminally underrated) but their dialogue is razor-sharp!!!

    However, he shouldn’t be off the hook for his 3 Bond films, which were so campy that they almost killed the series.
    Haha, killed the series my foot. LALD and TMWTGG are better than pretty much any Bond film of the post-Cubby period. GE is the only serious competition and even that one I don’t rank higher than LALD which is my all-time #2.

    Mankiewicz has nothing to apologize for. As for camp, I think some of the films that followed were far campier. MR for one (written by Christopher Wood). There’s good camp and there’s bad camp. Mankiewicz was definitely good camp!

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,619
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MOD EDIT: NTTD spoilers have been spoiler tagged.
    It’s amazing how strong Ethan Hunt is going as an action hero while Bond gets scraped by some piece of glass by the villain and infected and as a result has to “suicide” himself. Lol!!! Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    The M:I series just gets stronger while Bond continues to flounder. It’s telling that the Craig films (with the exception of CR and SF) are at the very bottom of the series, below the likes of DAF, AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR and the Brosnan films. Even below NSNA.

    WOAH not by all bond fans

    even Craig's worst film Spectre I would put above Daf Diaminds etc
    DAF trumps QOS and SP on Tom Mankiewicz’s witty dialogue alone! Those Craig films have some of the clunkiest and boring lines in the entire series. I could come up with wittier dialogue myself. I almost fell out of my chair when Fiennes said “C” is for “careless”. Like, really????? Who wrote this? An 8 year old?

    I also struggle with the praise for the dialogue in NTTD. I don’t know what Waller Bridge contributed but nothing jumps out at me as being memorable or humorous. Even the “thirsty” line from Bond to M pales in comparison to the stuff that Mankiewicz was able to write for his 3 Bond films. Say what you will about those 3 Guy Hamilton films (LALD is a stone cold classic for me and TMWTGG is criminally underrated) but their dialogue is razor-sharp!!!

    However, he shouldn’t be off the hook for his 3 Bond films, which were so campy that they almost killed the series.
    Haha, killed the series my foot. LALD and TMWTGG are better than pretty much any Bond film of the post-Cubby period. GE is the only serious competition and even that one I don’t rank higher than LALD which is my all-time #2.

    Mankiewicz has nothing to apologize for. As for camp, I think some of the films that followed were far campier. MR for one (written by Christopher Wood). There’s good camp and there’s bad camp. Mankiewicz was definitely good camp!

    I never said that I didn’t like him or his films, quite the opposite! I’m just saying that he should have looked at history a bit differently.

    I take it back- MI 1 and 3 are tied, but they are better than 2.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 654
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    MOD EDIT: NTTD spoilers have been spoiler tagged.
    It’s amazing how strong Ethan Hunt is going as an action hero while Bond gets scraped by some piece of glass by the villain and infected and as a result has to “suicide” himself. Lol!!! Oh how the mighty have fallen.

    The M:I series just gets stronger while Bond continues to flounder. It’s telling that the Craig films (with the exception of CR and SF) are at the very bottom of the series, below the likes of DAF, AVTAK, TMWTGG, MR and the Brosnan films. Even below NSNA.

    WOAH not by all bond fans

    even Craig's worst film Spectre I would put above Daf Diaminds etc
    DAF trumps QOS and SP on Tom Mankiewicz’s witty dialogue alone! Those Craig films have some of the clunkiest and boring lines in the entire series. I could come up with wittier dialogue myself. I almost fell out of my chair when Fiennes said “C” is for “careless”. Like, really????? Who wrote this? An 8 year old?

    I also struggle with the praise for the dialogue in NTTD. I don’t know what Waller Bridge contributed but nothing jumps out at me as being memorable or humorous. Even the “thirsty” line from Bond to M pales in comparison to the stuff that Mankiewicz was able to write for his 3 Bond films. Say what you will about those 3 Guy Hamilton films (LALD is a stone cold classic for me and TMWTGG is criminally underrated) but their dialogue is razor-sharp!!!

    However, he shouldn’t be off the hook for his 3 Bond films, which were so campy that they almost killed the series.
    Haha, killed the series my foot. LALD and TMWTGG are better than pretty much any Bond film of the post-Cubby period. GE is the only serious competition and even that one I don’t rank higher than LALD which is my all-time #2.

    Mankiewicz has nothing to apologize for. As for camp, I think some of the films that followed were far campier. MR for one (written by Christopher Wood). There’s good camp and there’s bad camp. Mankiewicz was definitely good camp!

    I never said that I didn’t like him or his films, quite the opposite! I’m just saying that he should have looked at history a bit differently.
    Yes, but what did Mankiewicz say about Superman 3 that was so off? He was spot on. It’s a terrible film! It’s a bad Superman film and a bad Richard Pryor film. To compare it to his 3 penned Bond films is nonsense. The Bond films are leagues ahead of that jive turkey of a movie.

  • AKillToAViewAKillToAView
    edited December 2021 Posts: 440
    New issue of Film/TV crewing periodical Production Weekly reveals a little bit more information about Mission: Impossible 8's production.

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    I feel M:I-8 will be the last one.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,541
    Libra? Scorpio?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Yep those are the working titles.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    Mission Impossible Scorpio.... i kind of like it and I still am shocked we might have MI8's title before 7LMAO
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,369
    Will the baddie be Hank Scorpio?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    mtm wrote: »
    Will the baddie be Hank Scorpio?

    That would be great, and why not? Or just name him Frank Scorpio. They already had Solomon Lane as a villain, which rhymes with Solomon Kane, the Robert E. Howard character.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    Posts: 692
    Rewatched Ghost Protocol recently and it was better than I remembered. 1 and 2 are the best due to their style. 3 is artless garbage. JJ Abrams is a plague on cinema.

    Looking forward to 7 and 8. Nice to have Czerny's character back.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Mission Impossible Scorpio.... i kind of like it and I still am shocked we might have MI8's title before 7LMAO

    That’s just a working title. We’ve known MI7’s to be “Libra” for a long time now.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,369
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Rewatched Ghost Protocol recently and it was better than I remembered. 1 and 2 are the best due to their style. 3 is artless garbage. JJ Abrams is a plague on cinema.

    I think he improved a lot, Star Trek is a tremendous blockbuster if you ask me. But I agree that MI3 is way too bland. If you ask me it's also the only one which doesn't get that idea that Mission Impossible has to at some point contain a clever heist or bit of misdirection: even MI2 gets that. The closest it comes is the bit where they snatch Davian, but there's not really anything very clever or surprising in there. It's a key part of the format.
  • AKillToAViewAKillToAView
    Posts: 440
    Here we go again.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2022 Posts: 16,369
    Oh that’s a big ol’ shame. I could do with a MishImp.

    Is Top Gun ever coming out?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    Oh, you've got to be kidding me. No John Wick or Ethan Hunt this year is insanely disappointing.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    How about finishing films before releasing release dates?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    M:I-7 was filmed in 2020. That’s ridiculous. Perhaps 7 and 8 are extremely tied and they feel the two films must come out close to each other.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,182
    This is karma for all those Bond fans who couldn’t stop making cracks about the delays NTTD endured. :))
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    well to be fair I am glad it was delayed hell I love when films are delayed


    I am trying reverse psychology here.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,515
    Mabey soon Top Gun 2 wil be delayd then to that 30 September 2022 and Sonic 2 wil get that May 2022 now. And Transformers 7 release in June 2023 is earlier then MI7 now, mabey that one wil later delayd till half or end September 2023 if not till May 2024.

    Big quistion wil this bring a possible 2024 (July, September, November 2024) of Bond 26 in danger.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Oh man, with this rate Top Gun 3 will come out before Top Gun 2.
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