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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Reboot. That's the thing to do. ;)

    Hollywood's magical answer for everything.
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    My question is who could be the new Jim Phelps? my hope would be Mark Harmon to be bluntly honest.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    My question is who could be the new Jim Phelps? my hope would be Mark Harmon to be bluntly honest.
    Clooney.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    My question is who could be the new Jim Phelps? my hope would be Mark Harmon to be bluntly honest.
    Clooney.

    The charming Ryan Reynolds. Love the man. Very charismatic and funny Canadian actor. Loved him in "Deadpool" and "The Hitman's Bodyguard".

    I think it would be a good idea to kill off Ethan Hunt and let a new character lead the "M:I"- team. Similar how Tom Cruise took over from Jon Voight in the first film. Also, killing off a lead character should be a bit easier for the "Mission: Impossible"-franchise than it is for Her Majesty's Secret Agent James Bond 007.
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    If done properly Hunt's death could be wonderful drama. We all know that Bond wont die and (to some extent) this will allways reduce the tension. But for Cruise, seeing him die would be something very very dramatic and we know he has the acting skills to carry it off.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2017 Posts: 15,423
    It appears good old madman is back on track as he's been spotted on set for M:I-VI.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4945854/Tom-Cruise-set-time-breaking-ankle.html

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I wonder how much Tom is doing. It could just be the way he's posed, but in that last picture he looks like he's being delicate with his left foot and is holding on to the camera rig to balance, so he may still be sensitive/hurting.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    "After all, the show must go on!"
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    Hmm, these pictures aren't very flattering of Cruise. He looks pretty.....old on there.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Well, obviously. He's still on the process of recovery at this point.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    He has started to show a little age of late. Still very youthful, but the inevitable cracks are beginning to show, as should be expected given where he's at.
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    Great to see Tom back on set! Take care buddy!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2017 Posts: 28,694
    Looks like regular Tom to me. I don't want this to turn into another situation like that time when a picture of Dan laughing was constantly micro-analyzed as him being too old for the role because the way he was laughing made him look like he had more than one chin or something.

    By the way, I like the turtleneck and jacket look in all black Tom has going on. Maybe Dan's look in SP has started a trend?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    We all look at things differently. No harm done and no need to make a big deal out of it. One can't hold off the passage of time forever (not even Tom). It's one of the only certainties in life.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Tom's only a couple years younger than I... how DARE he look a full DECADE younger!!!!!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    By the way, I like the turtleneck and jacket look in all black Tom has going on. Maybe Dan's look in SP has started a trend?
    Napoleon Solo (Henry Cavill) did it first. ;)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2017 Posts: 28,694
    bondjames wrote: »
    We all look at things differently. No harm done and no need to make a big deal out of it. One can't hold off the passage of time forever (not even Tom). It's one of the only certainties in life.

    I don't think the people making light of it are those making it a big deal. They are treating the issue with the relative importance it holds. ;) (Which is little)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    We all look at things differently. No harm done and no need to make a big deal out of it. One can't hold off the passage of time forever (not even Tom). It's one of the only certainties in life.

    I don't think the people making light of it are those making it a big deal. They are treating the issue with the relative importance it holds. ;) (Which is little)
    As is the case with much that is discussed on this forum, even if some of us choose to think otherwise. Such is life.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The climbing scene at Prekestolen shooting these days
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  • The climbing scene at Prekestolen shooting these days
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    Wonderful. I still recall the climbing scene from "For Your Eyes Only". Would be great if it's something like that!
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    patb wrote: »
    If done properly Hunt's death could be wonderful drama. We all know that Bond wont die and (to some extent) this will allways reduce the tension. But for Cruise, seeing him die would be something very very dramatic and we know he has the acting skills to carry it off.
    If the film would focus from the start on Hunt adressing that he kind of replaced Phelps and that he is only a tool for a bigger purpose and won´t be able to be around forever, that could make for a fantastic drama that wouldn´t at all be possible in the James Bond franchise, thus giving M:I a huge advantage in the competition.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Hunt doesn't have to die. I don't know why some people think character deaths really create great drama when it's the laziest thing to do in the first place. They [the producers] could be given alternatives where they can orchestrate helluva of a drama without resorting to any of these cliches. Hunt could find a different purpose in life and go be with his wife, realizing what has he been missing, etc, hence he paves way in for a worthy successor to come over and take up the mantle. I'd be satisfied if the replacement is either Henry Cavill or Jeremy Renner as I love both as leading men.

    However, this "replacement" thing isn't happening with this film. Cruise still has one or two more films in him. One leg injury isn't going to stop him.
  • Hunt doesn't have to die. I don't know why some people think character deaths really create great drama when it's the laziest thing to do in the first place. They [the producers] could be given alternatives where they can orchestrate helluva of a drama without resorting to any of these cliches. Hunt could find a different purpose in life and go be with his wife, realizing what has he been missing, etc, hence he paves way in for a worthy successor to come over and take up the mantle. I'd be satisfied if the replacement is either Henry Cavill or Jeremy Renner as I love both as leading men.

    However, this "replacement" thing isn't happening with this film. Cruise still has one or two more films in him. One leg injury isn't going to stop him.

    I think it's not immediately a lazy thing to do. I agree it's happening a lot yes, even in the Marvel Universe. But as long as a character's death makes sense, is part of a good plot or story, then I don't see any problem with that.

    But I do agree that it would be better to see Ethan Hunt becoming some kind of "M" within CIA's undercover IMF operations.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Hunt doesn't have to die. I don't know why some people think character deaths really create great drama when it's the laziest thing to do in the first place. They [the producers] could be given alternatives where they can orchestrate helluva of a drama without resorting to any of these cliches. Hunt could find a different purpose in life and go be with his wife, realizing what has he been missing, etc, hence he paves way in for a worthy successor to come over and take up the mantle. I'd be satisfied if the replacement is either Henry Cavill or Jeremy Renner as I love both as leading men.

    However, this "replacement" thing isn't happening with this film. Cruise still has one or two more films in him. One leg injury isn't going to stop him.

    I think it's not immediately a lazy thing to do. I agree it's happening a lot yes, even in the Marvel Universe. But as long as a character's death makes sense, is part of a good plot or story, then I don't see any problem with that.

    But I do agree that it would be better to see Ethan Hunt becoming some kind of "M" within CIA's undercover IMF operations.
    That, I can do with, @Gustav_Graves. I just hope they don't a "death of Ethan Hunt" scene just for the sake of it.
  • Hunt doesn't have to die. I don't know why some people think character deaths really create great drama when it's the laziest thing to do in the first place. They [the producers] could be given alternatives where they can orchestrate helluva of a drama without resorting to any of these cliches. Hunt could find a different purpose in life and go be with his wife, realizing what has he been missing, etc, hence he paves way in for a worthy successor to come over and take up the mantle. I'd be satisfied if the replacement is either Henry Cavill or Jeremy Renner as I love both as leading men.

    However, this "replacement" thing isn't happening with this film. Cruise still has one or two more films in him. One leg injury isn't going to stop him.

    I think it's not immediately a lazy thing to do. I agree it's happening a lot yes, even in the Marvel Universe. But as long as a character's death makes sense, is part of a good plot or story, then I don't see any problem with that.

    But I do agree that it would be better to see Ethan Hunt becoming some kind of "M" within CIA's undercover IMF operations.
    That, I can do with, @Gustav_Graves. I just hope they don't a "death of Ethan Hunt" scene just for the sake of it.

    Actually, in "Casino Royale" the death of Vesper made sense. But thee way Mathis was killed in "Quantum Of Solace" felt rushed and was executed way too bluntly....as not being part of the story.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Hunt doesn't have to die. I don't know why some people think character deaths really create great drama when it's the laziest thing to do in the first place. They [the producers] could be given alternatives where they can orchestrate helluva of a drama without resorting to any of these cliches. Hunt could find a different purpose in life and go be with his wife, realizing what has he been missing, etc, hence he paves way in for a worthy successor to come over and take up the mantle. I'd be satisfied if the replacement is either Henry Cavill or Jeremy Renner as I love both as leading men.

    However, this "replacement" thing isn't happening with this film. Cruise still has one or two more films in him. One leg injury isn't going to stop him.

    I think it's not immediately a lazy thing to do. I agree it's happening a lot yes, even in the Marvel Universe. But as long as a character's death makes sense, is part of a good plot or story, then I don't see any problem with that.

    But I do agree that it would be better to see Ethan Hunt becoming some kind of "M" within CIA's undercover IMF operations.
    That, I can do with, @Gustav_Graves. I just hope they don't a "death of Ethan Hunt" scene just for the sake of it.

    Actually, in "Casino Royale" the death of Vesper made sense. But thee way Mathis was killed in "Quantum Of Solace" felt rushed and was executed way too bluntly....as not being part of the story.
    Exactly. Vesper's death made sense (that was what Fleming had in mind before penning the novel to begin with, so...), she was marked for fatality right after the moment she was revealed to be working for Quantum.

    Mathis' death on the other hand was pointless. One of the most pointless deaths in the series. He doesn't even die in the books. Then again, neither did Dikko Henderson.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Hunt doesn't have to die. I don't know why some people think character deaths really create great drama when it's the laziest thing to do in the first place. They [the producers] could be given alternatives where they can orchestrate helluva of a drama without resorting to any of these cliches. Hunt could find a different purpose in life and go be with his wife, realizing what has he been missing, etc, hence he paves way in for a worthy successor to come over and take up the mantle. I'd be satisfied if the replacement is either Henry Cavill or Jeremy Renner as I love both as leading men.

    However, this "replacement" thing isn't happening with this film. Cruise still has one or two more films in him. One leg injury isn't going to stop him.

    I agree, @ClarkDevlin. I get sick of the deaths for easy emotion in stories, and I don't think MI really works in that way. The first film is the only one with a tone that felt more earnest, but everything after, especially 2, 4 and 5, have been more light-hearted and basically like a 70s or 80s Bond film. Movies that could still have drama and danger, but also have a lightness to offset it. Just as I wouldn't want to see a "death of James Bond" story, even in the Craig era, I don't think a death of Hunt works for MI either. It just wouldn't feel right, and I think the best ending, if there must be one, would be to see him and Jules go off together to call back to what was already presented in the final moments of #4. If given the choice, I think Ethan would pick to live his own life.

    I personally don't subscribe to the idea that Ethan would be a new Phelps or an "M" type overseer, either. That's just not a job for someone like him. As with Bond, he's meant for the field and sitting behind a desk and off to the side would be a bore for him. Just as Bond would sooner take cyanide than swap places with M and his bureaucratic babysitting, I think Ethan would get out and live his own life and do his own thing with actual freedom instead of being restrained by a government job that doesn't suit him. He could never be like Phelps, or Hopkins' character in 2 or that of Fishburne or Baldwin in the newer films; he's a soldier and would chafe in a suit.

    As with killing Ethan off, I think putting him into a "suit" role in the IMF as an out of the field boss would be just as ill-served to his character as anything else, and wouldn't logically service who he actually has been built up to be. Imagine Bond taking over for Mallory at the end of Bond 25 after retiring from the field, for example. It would seem so off and fake, because it essentially is and wouldn't be in tune with the character of the films. The same consistency must be kept with Hunt, and I don't want to see them hang on to Tom for the $$$ by putting him into a role that doesn't make sense for the character. I personally think MI dies with Tom's last movie anyway, so I only make that last statement in the event that they have the balls to try and make more films where he isn't the lead. That worked out so well for the Bourne franchise, as we know.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Actually, in "Casino Royale" the death of Vesper made sense. But thee way Mathis was killed in "Quantum Of Solace" felt rushed and was executed way too bluntly....as not being part of the story.
    Exactly. Vesper's death made sense (that was what Fleming had in mind before penning the novel to begin with, so...), she was marked for fatality right after the moment she was revealed to be working for Quantum.

    Mathis' death on the other hand was pointless. One of the most pointless deaths in the series. He doesn't even die in the books. Then again, neither did Dikko Henderson.
    Mathis' death makes sense on a couple levels.

    He's a sacrificial lamb, standard part of the established Bond film formula.
    Mathis here also represents a passing of the torch, from old to new. Bond starting his career as a survivor, Mathis as having survived in the business a little too long. Therefore he's wrongly suspected of being with Le Chiffre, is tortured during questioning. And he has the bad judgment to return to his old stomping grounds in South America using his own name. (Is Mathis your cover name? Yes. Not a very good one, is it.) It's the death of him.

    Mathis in the books is one of my favorites, a great character and friend to Bond. This Mathis from the films I like just as much, he's so full of life but also takes a tragic turn. I relish the unexpected attention this great character got, appearing for the first time in franchise. His death scene is a rarity in action films, a rare focus and respect applied in his dying moments. And once passed, Bond continues the mission as he knows Mathis would understand. And I love OO7's retribution on the colonel, perfectly Bond.

    So for me the light that burns half as long burns twice a brightly. Mathis stands as an example of the bold choices by the producers with reboot that build up Bond in the 21st Century.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I personally love the Mathis death scene, and in many ways it's the most crucial/salient part of the film. It's Mathis' words of forgiveness that finally set Bond off on the right direction to moving on from Vesper healthily, and push him to see the true victim of circumstance that she was, not unlike herself. He really solidifies his mentor role in his final moments, and I love the special touch Bond does of using Mathis' body to make the scene appear to be something it wasn't as the man did with Obanno and his servant in CR. Bond was learning from his mentor in many ways, tactically and emotionally.

    I think QoS was perhaps the right time for Mathis to go, as I really can't see a way for him to be involved in SF or SP credibly. I think he served a fine purpose, and a powerful one, someone to teach Bond important lessons about being a spy and being a man. It's his influence on Bond that really comes through in CR and QoS, even more so than M's (in relation to Bond's pain over Vesper, I mean), and his death means all the more for it. Without Mathis being who he was and saying what he did, who knows when Bond would've finally allowed himself to see the truth about Vesper and see that vengeance was hollow. His decision to spare Yusef and respect Vesper's memory was partially down to Mathis and the impact he's had to make him see the light.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 4,615
    Nothing more dramatic than death so , if it's done well, then why not? If they dont kill him off, every new MI will have rumours of Hunt's return and it will detract from the new cast.
    Killing Hunt is the only way of telling the audience "it's over, Cruise is not coming back"

    PS If you are the script writer, what would you rather thave to grab the audience and create a little bit of cinema history? Hunt's death scene or a scene where he tells the team he has had enough and is retiring to spend more time with his wife? (the kettles always on so feel free to pop by for a cuppa if you're in the area)

    PPS I had this idea that, Hunt knew/suspected this would be his last mission so records a message for the team. So, at the end of the movie, we see a montage, each one of the team receives his audio message out of the blue in some ingenious way whilst they are doing what ever they do. And so Hunt urges the team (and, by implication, the audience) to carry on without him and then gets to say the immortal words "This tape will self distruct in five seconds".
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