Would you rather watch CR 67 OR NSNA?

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Straight adventure for me please. I don't need to see Bond's origins again and don't need much in regards to his backstory.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I went from taping on blank VHS tapes on the TBS 15 days of 007 to owning the VHS collection. Then they came out with the 4 set color DVD in which they took 5 films and put it in a color coded set to the Blu Ray collection.

    That would be a good would you rather category of choosing 1 set from the 4 set DVD collection before CR was even released. From what I remember it was...

    Set 1: GF-DAF-TMWTGG-TLD-TWINE
    Set 2: TB-TSWLM-AVTAK-LTK-DAD
    Set 3: FRWL-OHMSS-LALD-FYEO-GE
    Set 4: DN-YOLT-MR-OP-TND

    Is it me or they have their own categories for each set:

    Set 1: The campy outlandish
    Set 2: The semi-grounded (half grounded, half camp)
    Set 3: The grounded ones (although LALD may have break it)
    Set 4: The formulaic ones

    I think the only category was: "Which lower-selling ones can we pair with higher-selling ones?"
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    Straight adventure.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2023 Posts: 6,306
    I'd like a "Bond begins," with a few encounters with villains and Bond girls who will become important in future films, like the proto-Goldfinger in CR.
  • We only had the, or a, re-boot as recently as 2006 in Casino Royale. Kind of guessing we don't need another so soon after the last. That only leaves a straight adventure.

    Bond was killed off in NTTD was he not. Not sure where they go from here but there has to be another Bond release somewhere in the future. Should be something of a puzzle trying to fit the pieces back together but there's no way I'm giving up on the character just yet.
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    I'd accept a soft Bond begins story. Something tying into his military career but nothing more than that. No CR copy.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I want a reboot where God sends Bond back to Earth in a younger body to fight the forces of evil that Satan likes to nickname Spectre or Quantum or whatever...
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited August 2023 Posts: 688
    Ten-part miniseries detailing Bond's origins in extreme and unnecessary detail please. I don't like my characters to have any mystery or mystique.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Straight adventure, we had Bond begins with CR, and getting an origin story, that doesn’t have the help of Fleming this time would likely be disastrous.
    Isn’t the old expression less is more?
    Maybe we don’t need to know to much about what makes Bond, Bond. We know he’s the guy that saves the world. Just let him get on with it.
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    As Bond died in the last film, it will be a reboot of sorts, but I don't want a retreat of CR. It's been done masterfully, no need to do it again, especially so soon. But I do think the next film will be a "year 2" Bond, in the early years of his 00 career.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2023 Posts: 16,431
    Yeah a repeat of CR isn't what I'm after either, but I think an early adventure in a different style, perhaps meeting people who will become important etc. would be good. I think there's different ways it could work too- I've been saying I wouldn't mind seeing M perhaps setting up the Double 0 section and recruiting Bond as part of that; I think there are different ways to do a 'first' adventure which wouldn't be a re-run of CR.
    I guess Forever and a Day showed that, in fact. Fleming himself increasingly believed in a plot arc which wound through the books, so I guess it doesn't make sense to argue with the master.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    peter wrote: »
    Straight adventure, early in his career, but not a puppy/rookie. Three, four, five years into his double-O status...

    I couldn't agree more, this is exactly what I want too mate.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    An actor in the early to mid 30s could definitely have a few years of 00 status under him. We don't need an origin story and we definitely don't need a Bond story set in the Navy and/or while being section chief.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 4,174
    Well, just by virtue of NTTD's ending Bond 26 will be a reboot. But I understand what was meant by a 'Bond begins' premise.

    I actually don't consider CR an origins story. At most it shows his first official mission as 007 (although even this might be debatable), and obviously it shows us one of the most important events of Bond's life - namely Vesper's death. But otherwise we don't learn anything about Bond's past and the fundamental traits of the character are all there (ie. this isn't a version of Bond so young he has never worn a tuxedo, as early drafts included).

    I've said this in the past, but I don't think a film about a young Bond in the navy would work. I'd even be hesitant about a film structured around him trying to attain his 00 license. I think Bond being 007 (or indeed having been) is one of the things that makes a Bond adventure work as much of the character is so intertwined with his profession. That said a film about the character early in his 00 career and still not quite in his prime could work (or the 'year 2' premise that The Batman ran with and as @Ludovico mentioned). Dependent on how heavily they want to lean into it I think this will give them the best creative options in terms of establishing the new Bond and this new 'universe'.

    So I guess my answer is a straight adventure by default, but I think it's more complicated. Bond 26 will be a reboot regardless and at least a small portion of the film will set up what this new 'universe' looks like.
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    Yeah it's not an either/or answer. I also think it's very possible that elements from the Craig era will be kept/reintroduced, the way the Aston Martin was kept in his era. Not to mention the old MI6 buildings. An allusion to Vesper perhaps? And I think we will see Blofeld and Spectre again, although maybe not for the next film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2023 Posts: 16,431
    I can imagine all of that going. Well, a new model of Aston and the exterior of the MI6 building maybe (actually it'll be interesting to see whether they decide to keep that or not), but I feel like it's time for a relatively fresh start and to not bring any more baggage than needed. I can imagine Spectre not being used for a while.
    And I think a reintroduction would be a good way to do it, a new Bond with an updated backstory... I will want to see where he's starting from.
  • Depends what we mean by Bond Begins. I wouldn’t mind a film set earlier in his career, maybe even earlier than we’ve seen before. Could be cool seeing a bit of his military background and how he got recruited.

    But I definitely don’t want to see any trite Forever and a Day sort of stuff, and I don’t want them to retread any ground that CR already covered (the two kills, learning not to trust people, learning to be less of a reckless blunt instrument).
    007HallY wrote: »
    I've said this in the past, but I don't think a film about a young Bond in the navy would work. I'd even be hesitant about a film structured around him trying to attain his 00 license. I think Bond being 007 (or indeed having been) is one of the things that makes a Bond adventure work as much of the character is so intertwined with his profession. That said a film about the character early in his 00 career and still not quite in his prime could work (or the 'year 2' premise that The Batman ran with and as @Ludovico mentioned). Dependent on how heavily they want to lean into it I think this will give them the best creative options in terms of establishing the new Bond and this new 'universe'.

    I don’t think Bond would be in the navy anymore. He was always a chocolate sailor and original backstory that Fleming laid out in his obituary is quite dated now.

    Nowadays I think he’d be SAS or SBS. And I think a film showing how he’s recruited could work. Maybe you could do a PTS with him on some special forces mission that comes wrong, during which he gets the attention of MI6, and they come knocking because they need someone off the books with no link to them for whatever reason. He does such a good job that he gets recruited at the end, fast forward to him as 007 in the next one.

    It does run the risk of feeling a bit pointless, because at the end of the day he’s going to be doing 007 stuff no matter what, so he may as well just be 007 from the off. But if they wanted to cast a younger actor than they had before, then I think a story like that could work.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited August 2023 Posts: 693
    Straight adventure. I don't want any hint of Craig-era issues in Bond 26. No continuity, origin story, revenge story, "exploring Bond's inner world," subversion of tropes, or meta-commentary on Bond's relevancy. I'd be perfectly happy with a modern version of The Spy Who Loved Me or Tomorrow Never Dies.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Depends what we mean by Bond Begins. I wouldn’t mind a film set earlier in his career, maybe even earlier than we’ve seen before. Could be cool seeing a bit of his military background and how he got recruited.

    But I definitely don’t want to see any trite Forever and a Day sort of stuff, and I don’t want them to retread any ground that CR already covered (the two kills, learning not to trust people, learning to be less of a reckless blunt instrument).
    007HallY wrote: »
    I've said this in the past, but I don't think a film about a young Bond in the navy would work. I'd even be hesitant about a film structured around him trying to attain his 00 license. I think Bond being 007 (or indeed having been) is one of the things that makes a Bond adventure work as much of the character is so intertwined with his profession. That said a film about the character early in his 00 career and still not quite in his prime could work (or the 'year 2' premise that The Batman ran with and as @Ludovico mentioned). Dependent on how heavily they want to lean into it I think this will give them the best creative options in terms of establishing the new Bond and this new 'universe'.

    I don’t think Bond would be in the navy anymore. He was always a chocolate sailor and original backstory that Fleming laid out in his obituary is quite dated now.

    Nowadays I think he’d be SAS or SBS. And I think a film showing how he’s recruited could work. Maybe you could do a PTS with him on some special forces mission that comes wrong, during which he gets the attention of MI6, and they come knocking because they need someone off the books with no link to them for whatever reason. He does such a good job that he gets recruited at the end, fast forward to him as 007 in the next one.

    It does run the risk of feeling a bit pointless, because at the end of the day he’s going to be doing 007 stuff no matter what, so he may as well just be 007 from the off. But if they wanted to cast a younger actor than they had before, then I think a story like that could work.

    Yeah that's the sort of thing I'd be up for seeing. Something a bit new.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited August 2023 Posts: 17,804
    Unfortunately, I think they'll attempt something clever. The best thing they could do is just to give us a straight up adventure sans the 22nd Century science (fiction). But I think we'll see Bond in the Navy or Bond in space (again), or Bond battling fembots.... /:)
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 4,174
    007HallY wrote: »
    I've said this in the past, but I don't think a film about a young Bond in the navy would work. I'd even be hesitant about a film structured around him trying to attain his 00 license. I think Bond being 007 (or indeed having been) is one of the things that makes a Bond adventure work as much of the character is so intertwined with his profession. That said a film about the character early in his 00 career and still not quite in his prime could work (or the 'year 2' premise that The Batman ran with and as @Ludovico mentioned). Dependent on how heavily they want to lean into it I think this will give them the best creative options in terms of establishing the new Bond and this new 'universe'.

    I don’t think Bond would be in the navy anymore. He was always a chocolate sailor and original backstory that Fleming laid out in his obituary is quite dated now.

    Nowadays I think he’d be SAS or SBS. And I think a film showing how he’s recruited could work. Maybe you could do a PTS with him on some special forces mission that comes wrong, during which he gets the attention of MI6, and they come knocking because they need someone off the books with no link to them for whatever reason. He does such a good job that he gets recruited at the end, fast forward to him as 007 in the next one.

    It does run the risk of feeling a bit pointless, because at the end of the day he’s going to be doing 007 stuff no matter what, so he may as well just be 007 from the off. But if they wanted to cast a younger actor than they had before, then I think a story like that could work.

    I actually reckon Bond's naval background will be maintained for a few reasons. Firstly, the producers seem keen on keeping aspects of the Fleming character alive, and I suspect his naval background will be one of those things. Secondly it's not something that crops up often in the films anyway, and I don't think the average viewer would find it weird that Bond is a former naval Commander (or indeed care). It's just not something that most people think about. I mean, it's telling that CR's later drafts completely removed all mentions of Bond being a former SAS soldier.

    Other than that I actually like the idea that Bond didn't start out in one of the elite forces. I dunno, certainly the Bond of the Craig era seemed willing to disobey MI6 orders in order to get the job done, which to me doesn't seem consistent with someone from a purely SAS background (it might just be me, and obviously this is fictional, but I think one of those elite forces would have a much more stringent authoritative hierarchy, even compared to the navy, which someone like Bond wouldn't necessarily thrive in if he started out there). I also get the sense that Bond is a man who has learnt most of his skills not by virtue of being in one single unit, but by impressing his superiors, being offered training that fit with his experience and interests, and as a result 'worked his way up' through this system to the 00 section. No doubt he would have had training with a force like the SAS - again, if a film wanted to explore this in any detail - but I just don't see him as a former SAS soldier.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I hadn't thought of the rebel aspect of his character @007HallY you are correct anyone in the elite forces would know and respect the command structure. They carry out missions with little to no questions asked. Maybe it's best to keep the background but not to dwell on it.

    I really don't wish to see a Bond begins re-boot. I think CR was enough and really how much different would it be to re-boot? I don't wish for every new actor to get the Bond begins treatment. To me the next fella should just be Bond with all his faults and foibles. I would like to see some aspects of the character played up in this version. His weakness for women. In the series it has been used as a way for villains to gain the upper hand. Craig had no female enemy agent use her wiles on him. Connery, Moore and Brosnan all had this and I think it would be refreshing to see it's return.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I hadn't thought of the rebel aspect of his character @007HallY you are correct anyone in the elite forces would know and respect the command structure. They carry out missions with little to no questions asked. Maybe it's best to keep the background but not to dwell on it.

    I really don't wish to see a Bond begins re-boot. I think CR was enough and really how much different would it be to re-boot? I don't wish for every new actor to get the Bond begins treatment. To me the next fella should just be Bond with all his faults and foibles. I would like to see some aspects of the character played up in this version. His weakness for women. In the series it has been used as a way for villains to gain the upper hand. Craig had no female enemy agent use her wiles on him. Connery, Moore and Brosnan all had this and I think it would be refreshing to see it's return.

    After Vesper's betrayal, I think any "female enemy agent" would have come off as watered down and derivative. Craig had better than a femme fatale: he had a tragic and doomed love interest. One of the reasons why I think Vesper's memory might be carried on in future Bonds, like Tracy used to be.
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    How about a post-Vesper, pre-Tracy and pre-Madeleine Bond. But set in whatever year the new film eventually comes out. Ever since OHMSS the timeline hasn't made a bit of sense so no need concern ourselves about that or whether the new Bond is an old Bond or some alternate universe nonsense. Arguably the new adventures could have been one's Craig had prior to Skyfall. Another reboot would seem to eliminate Fleming altogether.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    How about they adapt Horowitz novels & go all period piece? That would be both clever AND not trite IMO.
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    Dr No / Goldfinger styled adventure for me. An introduction to a seasoned agent already comfortable and confident in his skin.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great discussion and back and forth for both points. Not sure where the producers are taking things the only hint was the nugget that they are looking for a younger Bond which may hint at rebooting things again.

    Lets die into the director chair and have a fantasy question. At one time or another both of these gentlemen have been rumored to have interest in directing a Bond movie. Whether they had done it with any success is a matter of debate. But lets ask the question and see what you would have rather have had happen.

    Would you have rather had a Steven Spielberg directed Bond film OR a Quentin Tarantino directed Bond film?

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    I wouldn't want either personally, but if it had to be between the two I'd go with Spielberg.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Spielberg from the late 70s/80s? Or Spielberg now?

    If it was the young Beard, I’d take him over Tarantino (his action beats would be unbeatable)…. If it’s present day The Beard, I’d take Tarantino (whether it be the young, or present Tarantino. He’d be much more interesting than present day Spielberg. I may not like the end result of the Tarantino film, but I know I wouldn’t be bored, and I know he’d make daring choices that no one else would have the balls to consider)….
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    I agree with @007HallY ...neither are suitable. At a push, Spielberg, I enjoy Tarintinos movies, to see what he's up to, but the Brosnan/Tarantino CR sounded an awful idea!
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