Quick Big Mi6 Pre-title sequence ranking game

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  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    I wasn't aware that some members dislike the PTS in SF.
    Is this PTS the most divisive around fans?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,257
    It's a pretty good PTS, but I think it belongs in this spot.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,208
    We remain in the Craig era for our next reveal, at number 13:

    QUANTUM OF SOLACE (2008)
    featuring an Aston Martin 'grigio' (as if you need to specify the colour of the only Aston Martin you'll probably see that day).

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    Following straight from CR this Aston v Alfa chase obtained one gold medal, making it the lowest ranked entry that won someone's individual ranking.

    It also received a silver and a bronze medal too, while three more participants rated it between 6th and 10th.

    Not everyone is on board though, three members rated it outside the top 20. One member even put it dead last, making it one of only four entries with a last place on its tally.

    QOS did however hit the 100-point mark, as that was also its rating in total.

  • edited November 2023 Posts: 4,303
    I’m not a huge fan of this PTS. It’s a decent enough car chase (although not well edited like the majority of the film, and a little bit hard to follow in terms of camerawork, which I guess you can argue contributes to the disorientating feel of everything) but as a Bond opening it lacks something. It doesn’t really have that touch of humour or anything distinctive about it in terms of the action. It is, however, a relatively functional opening and has a degree of tension. Very odd freeze frame on the final shot though…

    The score and sound effects are pretty solid. It’s just a bit forgettable I suppose.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    My 7th.

    It’s grown on me.

    I love its aggressiveness. The growls from the cars might as well have come from Bond and his opponents.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited November 2023 Posts: 2,161
    Dead last for me and the only PTS I truly dislike. I find car chases very boring in general, except for a select few that manage to stand out (the one featured in The Batman as an example).
    This one is just a generic, spasm inducing, seen-it-a-thousand-times car chase that could have been lifted from any run-of-the-mill action flick.
    There’s absolutely nothing about this sequence that feels like Bond to me and sadly the stinker of a theme that follows (and the rest of the movie for that matter) doesn’t make things any better.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    This go around, it's my #1, edging out GE slightly. I just don't think I'll ever forget the feelings and emotions I felt as the music slowly set in, we get that gorgeous shot of Strada della Forra, the zooming in, the prepping of weapons, Bond looking around, all for the engines to roar to life and kickstart one of the most action-packed and exciting installments I've ever seen. The film as a whole is very special to me and it starts out so damn strong. I love it.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 7,616
    My #2 , absolutely love it. So well put together and Craig is so cool in it! Despite the quarry setting, it looks fantastic, the editing doesn't bother me as it did in my first viewing, and I wouldn't have it any other way now! Great finish too, a real "Yess!" moment when Bond manages to get the gun and fires back. And then that glorious swooping shot of Siena, and the twist that Mr. White is in the boot! Brilliant!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    My #2 , absolutely love it. So well put together and Craig is so cool in it! Despite the quarry setting, it looks fantastic, the editing doesn't bother me as it did in my first viewing, and I wouldn't have it any other way now! Great finish too, a real "Yess!" moment when Bond manages to get the gun and fires back. And then that glorious swooping shot of Siena, and the twist that Mr. White is in the boot! Brilliant!

    That's more like it! And yes, I even love the quarry setting, it feels both natural yet unique to the series all at once. The whole PTS is very pulse-pounding and so rewarding, as you said, when he finally fires back and takes out the pursuing car. It's too cool.
  • Posts: 2,161
    I think it is very good, but I only have it at #20.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    Some of you love it, some totally dislike it. I can see both sides and ranked it exactly at #13.
    I dislike the editing: I needed around ten viewings to understand everything happening in this PTS.
    However, the tension and the mentioned "aggressiveness" are a plus. The score is great. Listen to this while driving and you feel like Bond in the most intense chase...crazy!
    The location is also nice looking and the opening 30 seconds with the camera flying over the water, the close-ups of the car, Bonds eyes etc. is very cool.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    Some of you love it, some totally dislike it. I can see both sides and ranked it exactly at #13.
    I dislike the editing: I needed around ten viewings to understand everything happening in this PTS.
    However, the tension and the mentioned "aggressiveness" are a plus. The score is great. Listen to this while driving and you feel like Bond in the most intense chase...crazy!
    The location is also nice looking and the opening 30 seconds with the camera flying over the water, the close-ups of the car, Bonds eyes etc. is very cool.

    It's one of the only times that editing has actually grown on me. Now, I love it, and see it as part of Bond's frantic state of mind, along with just how rapidly paced and short the runtime is in general.

    But yes, there were lots of things that I needed all five of those viewings in theaters to make out due to the editing. I have no problems with it now though.
  • Posts: 7,616
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Some of you love it, some totally dislike it. I can see both sides and ranked it exactly at #13.
    I dislike the editing: I needed around ten viewings to understand everything happening in this PTS.
    However, the tension and the mentioned "aggressiveness" are a plus. The score is great. Listen to this while driving and you feel like Bond in the most intense chase...crazy!
    The location is also nice looking and the opening 30 seconds with the camera flying over the water, the close-ups of the car, Bonds eyes etc. is very cool.

    It's one of the only times that editing has actually grown on me. Now, I love it, and see it as part of Bond's frantic state of mind, along with just how rapidly paced and short the runtime is in general.

    But yes, there were lots of things that I needed all five of those viewings in theaters to make out due to the editing. I have no problems with it now though.

    Me either, and the great thing about not catching every detail first time meant you discovered extra shots in subsequent viewings!
    Should have mentioned the score too which enhances it greatly!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 41,011
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Some of you love it, some totally dislike it. I can see both sides and ranked it exactly at #13.
    I dislike the editing: I needed around ten viewings to understand everything happening in this PTS.
    However, the tension and the mentioned "aggressiveness" are a plus. The score is great. Listen to this while driving and you feel like Bond in the most intense chase...crazy!
    The location is also nice looking and the opening 30 seconds with the camera flying over the water, the close-ups of the car, Bonds eyes etc. is very cool.

    It's one of the only times that editing has actually grown on me. Now, I love it, and see it as part of Bond's frantic state of mind, along with just how rapidly paced and short the runtime is in general.

    But yes, there were lots of things that I needed all five of those viewings in theaters to make out due to the editing. I have no problems with it now though.

    Me either, and the great thing about not catching every detail first time meant you discovered extra shots in subsequent viewings!
    Should have mentioned the score too which enhances it greatly!

    That you do!

    I remember being so convinced after the first viewing or two that Jack White and Alicia Keys were present at Tosca, but the shot was fairly quick that it took me until the third watch to realize it wasn't them. It definitely has a lot more to uncover and discover the more you watch it though, that's for sure.

    And yes, the score enhances all of it. Arnold presents my favorite musical work in the series after Barry.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,606
    I'd put SF way above QOS. SF opens and builds perfectly, then it builds and builds action-wise, and really gets the blood pumping. The bikes over the Grand Bazaar is where it gets epic and just incredibly exciting, and then it has that amazing payoff that hits you like a bullet.

    Whereas QOS opens way too harshly, you're not even engaged before you're right in the middle of an action scene and it just throws you off. It feels like they're trying to do something clever but literally cutting to the chase without the usual way that an audience is drawn into that sort of thing, but it just doesn't work. The action is indistinct and hard to follow, it makes little sense (why is he having such trouble getting away from saloon cars in his hugely powerful supercar?), an innocent bystander appears to be heavily injured or killed, which is a general no-no in Bond films. And although the chase does become quite exciting once you've adjusted to it and got into the flow, it's suddenly over. There's little hint that the climax is coming and Bond hasn't done anything particularly clever- he just used a big gun. It's massively underwhelming.
    It ends with quite a nice gag, but it's directed in such a way which seems to be challenging you not to laugh at it - that reveal could have been actually funny and/or swaggery in a 007 way.

    Give me SF over that every day: it's a bit of a masterclass in how you direct one of these things, and QOS is a mess in my opinion.
  • Posts: 2,161
    Aside from SF my Top Ten are all still in the running.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,257
    I like the QOS opening. It used to rub me the wrong way, what with all the chaotic editing and all that, but it's one of the better ones for me now. It really has grown on me.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    I also warmed to the editing and the editing is part of the DNA of this film. While I enjoy the short runtime of the movie, I wished that we would have at least a bit more time to breathe. The faster editing improves the action in some way but it is a bit too much sometimes.

    You say that QOS is fascinating because you can explore something new with every viewing. I get that. But it is also a problem for people who wants to fully enjoy / understand it the first time.
    I totally understand all comments here for both sides.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,208
    I ranked it 9th.

    Absolutely love the opening shots of that gorgeous lake with the closeups of Craig and the car.

    The action is superb, the cars are stunning (Alfa Romeo and Aston Martin, I mean does it get any better?), and it's all set in Italy.

    In short, I'm on board for this one.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 4,303
    mtm wrote: »
    I'd put SF way above QOS. SF opens and builds perfectly, then it builds and builds action-wise, and really gets the blood pumping. The bikes over the Grand Bazaar is where it gets epic and just incredibly exciting, and then it has that amazing payoff that hits you like a bullet.

    Whereas QOS opens way too harshly, you're not even engaged before you're right in the middle of an action scene and it just throws you off. It feels like they're trying to do something clever but literally cutting to the chase without the usual way that an audience is drawn into that sort of thing, but it just doesn't work. The action is indistinct and hard to follow, it makes little sense (why is he having such trouble getting away from saloon cars in his hugely powerful supercar?), an innocent bystander appears to be heavily injured or killed, which is a general no-no in Bond films. And although the chase does become quite exciting once you've adjusted to it and got into the flow, it's suddenly over. There's little hint that the climax is coming and Bond hasn't done anything particularly clever- he just used a big gun. It's massively underwhelming.
    It ends with quite a nice gag, but it's directed in such a way which seems to be challenging you not to laugh at it - that reveal could have been actually funny and/or swaggery in a 007 way.

    Give me SF over that every day: it's a bit of a masterclass in how you direct one of these things, and QOS is a mess in my opinion.

    I’d agree with all of that. The editing and pacing between this opening and SF’s really are night and day.

    I’d also say as a video editor if you have to ‘get used’ to the editing on subsequent rewatches then something’s not right. Editing should feel organic to the film regardless of whether it’s meant to be smooth or put us into a frantic state of mind. The camerawork and lack of coverage don’t help matters though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,606
    I’ve always suspected that the payoff to that scene was going to be: Bond can’t reach the gun, his abd the baddies’ car have to dodge either side of the digger, Bond drives two wheels up a little ramp at the side putting his car at an angle, which throws the gun loose and into his hand, he turns and shoots. There’s just something about it which feels like something is missing but I feel like something went wrong along the way.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 4,490
    mtm wrote: »
    I’ve always suspected that the payoff to that scene was going to be: Bond can’t reach the gun, his abd the baddies’ car have to dodge either side of the digger, Bond drives two wheels up a little ramp at the side putting his car at an angle, which throws the gun loose and into his hand, he turns and shoots. There’s just something about it which feels like something is missing but I feel like something went wrong along the way.

    Give me this scene. It sounds like the perfect mix between style and slightly-over the top -fun.
  • Posts: 7,616
    QOS is fine as it is!
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 1,448
    Benny wrote: »
    As has been mentioned, Tracy is mentioned in TSWLM, it's not a blink and you miss it scene or line.
    When Anya mentions that Bond was married, but his wife was killed, Bond goes from being amused at Anya's knowledge of him, to a man who still grieves his wifes death. It's a subtle yet good scene, that doesn't hide the story of OHMSS, but reminds us of Bonds past. OHMSS was never seen be EON as a black sheep. That story likely comes from urban legend and possibly the press around OHMSS.
    The reason to keep Blofeld in neck brace and bald, is in keeping to the Blofeld of OHMSS, and also the most memorable of all on screen Blofelds, Donald Pleasance. Whilst Charles Gray was the last incarnation of Blofeld, he wasn't that memorable.
    Your question @SIS_HQ as to why FYEO uses a scene to remind audiences of Tracy or OHMSS and not one from the Connery films, is valid. But none of the Roger Moore films evoke memories of the Connery Bond films. No cigarettes, no vodka martini's shaken not stirred (ordered by Moore's Bond) no DB5.

    No SPECTRE

    ;)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    I have QOS at 15th spot.
    It's a good action scene to start the film, but the short shots and quick edits make it a pts I cannot rank any higher.
    The run time is perfect though.
  • Posts: 2,161
    I'm guessing TSWLM, TLD, GE and CR fill out the Top Four in some order. I would think that only GF and MR might also have a chance of cracking that group.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,169
    I’d be very surprised if GF doesn’t make top four or higher.
    I also hope GE makes a strong finish, and obviously OP. 😉
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 2,161
    Hate to say, I had OP at the bottom. It never worked for me. And I am surprised that SF didn't end up in that elite group.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,800
    I guess Moonraker's next? Even though I liked the skydiving scene and felt it's ahead of its time.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,208
    Actually, the next one, at number 12, is:

    FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE (1963)
    featuring not James Bond.

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    The very first pre-title sequence ends just inside the top half of our ranking game.

    Its highest ranking was 4th, which happened twice, making it the highest-ranked entry with no top 3 finishes.

    It did have seven more members ranking it in the lower top 10's.

    No-one really seems to hate it, though it did end up 21st and 22nd, both on one occasion.

    In total FRWL managed to obtain 103 points.

    (it took me forever to find a PTS-relevant poster for this one, btw :p)
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