Big Mi6 James Bond henchperson ranking game - NUMBER 28

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited February 18 Posts: 7,341
    Elvis came in 28th for me. I am a QOS defender, but he's a pretty useless and isn't eccentric enough. Noticed that he's at least trilingual, maybe he's just an interpreter caught in the wrong circumstances :))

    I must say this though, while QOS's villains are not supermemorable (except for Beam), they are scary because it's that typical bunch of morally bankrupt opportunists who you can easily find in the real world.
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    I think the issue with Elvis is he’s depicted a bit too much as the film’s ’punching bag’, constantly getting hurt or undermined, and often in vaguely comical ways. I mean, the guy wears a bad toupee! He’s not a naturally threatening henchman in that way. He’s made to be laughed at to some extent.

    I do like how slimy he comes across. But I think he needed a bit more menace to him. We needed to see what he could do. I think he’s a bit of a misfire as a character in this way.
  • Rather rough on poor Elvis I think, though my own ranking him as number 17 of the lot probably wasn’t terribly helpful. I have something of a soft spot for the henchpersons of questionable usefulness and find Elvis quirky enough to be an interesting subversion of the usual standards.

    But I do agree with 007HallY, showing Elvis at least on occasion in a more menacing light would probably make for a more well-rounded and memorable character. Still, since I don’t find the henchpersons a particular hallmark of the Craig era I think he holds up quite well.

    Thanks for hosting this, GoldenGun, it will be interesting to follow.
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    Elvis is rather creepy, but yes, though I adore QOS, he's a weak point in it and probably deserves last place! He's just THERE, for no apparent reason, except to be moved by Opera, and stir his coffee weirdly! He does get a spectacular death scene though, love that explosive moment!
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I'm amazed how many things you guys registered about Elvis. My impression is limited to thinking he was more like an extra with a ridiculous haircut, to make up for the lack of other serious deformities one might expect from a Bond villain/henchman.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Dead last for me and by some distance.
    The following GIF sums him up perfectly, not just as a villain but as a character on the whole.
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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Dead last for me and by some distance.
    The following GIF sums him up perfectly, not just as a villain but as a character on the whole.
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    That being said, I would not subscribe to the notion that an asshole is in any way useless... But the character is nonetheless. Apologies to Anatole Taubman, it's not his fault in any way. He was just wasted.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Elvis placed 29th in my ranking. He's a kind of memorable character for not really doing anything at all.
    If you mentioned Elvis to a Bond fan, they'd know who he was. But he has no redeeming features or qualities. He's just...Elvis!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Elvis actually didn't do too bad for being the flagbearer of useless henchmen :p I feel a bit bad for Anatole Taubman, doesn't seem he got much to work with...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Now, onwards with our penultimate place, at #29:

    VALENKA
    by Ivana Miličević
    in Casino Royale

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    Hardly better off is Valenka from Craig's first entry as she also collected five last places. But with only two more bottom 3's, both of them penultimate places, she received two bottom 3's less than Elvis, which saves her from ending last.

    Which also saves CR from being the first entry to win one of these games while also ending last in one. (CR won our title sequence game)

    She did receive, however, the lowest highest ranking with one 18th place. Comparing our two bottom finishes here too, Elvis did manage to collect one 17th spot.

    In total Valenka also ended up with 38 points, but got saved from last place by a bottom 3 tiebreaker.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    29th is where I had her in my rankings.
    Perhaps not as useless as the previous one, but equally as unmemorable.
  • edited February 19 Posts: 7,795
    Yep, Valenka is in the 'Elvis camp. She has an advantage though, that she is drop dead gorgeous ( and has a stunning intro shot climbing on to the boat!)
    But doesn't get to do anything, except poison Bond ( and I never really liked that sequence, with the defibrillator and all that!)
    This was my issue compiling this list, a lot of useless unmemorable henchpeople until we get to the Oddjobs/TeeHee crowd!
    Benny wrote: »
    Elvis placed 29th in my ranking. He's a kind of memorable character for not really doing anything at all.
    If you mentioned Elvis to a Bond fan, they'd know who he was. But he has no redeeming features or qualities. He's just...Elvis!

    I reckon that would have been on a t-shirt in the 70s
    'HE'S JUST..... ELVIS!'
  • The only name I had to look up while doing the ranking, and I certainly like Casino Royale. Not quite Bottom 5 material to me but no ringing endorsement either.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited February 19 Posts: 7,341
    23rd for me. I must say I don't think she's all that bad.
    She almost kills Bond really, and I don't think she's a bad actress or anything, thought she handled that scene in the hotel room with Obanno very well actually.
    She's also stunning, which, if I'm completely honest, is never a disadvantage.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited February 19 Posts: 4,507
    Thanks @GoldenGun for this great thread/game.

    I ranked Elvis at 29 and Valenka at 30.

    Elvis is more memorable for me, since he speaks swiss german in one scene. And his reaction at Tosca is funny. Is he a good henchman? Definitely not...maybe this was the plan? At least, they tried something different but they didn't think it through...

    He definitely doesn't have enough to do to be interesting enough. I remember an Interview at the Swiss Premiere where he stated that he expected to have more scenes (he sounded a bit disappointed)...if scenes were cut or never filmed or even only ideas that they had talked about, I don't know...

    Valenka (always forget her name) is surprisingly forgettable despite being a blonde beauty. (I love the blondes...) She has a tense scene in the hotelroom where she is almost hurt by Obanno. But this isn't a scene, that makes her "a good" henchwomen. Yes, she almost kills Bond (which is much more than Elvis manages to do), but she is only seen for seconds there and is only seen briefly later.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    #30 for me. Not that I have anything against her, she's just not very interesting.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I have her at 29, just as I had Elvis at 30. To tell you the truth, in spite of the one scene where she shows some activity I never even thought of her as a henchwoman until she was on GoldenGun's list.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Thinking back about Elvis, I wonder what role he was supposed to play opposite Dominic Greene? His qualifications as bodyguard are non-existent, so was he meant to be Greene's goofy cousin who is in on Greene's job because he is reliable as "family"?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited February 19 Posts: 7,341
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I have her at 29, just as I had Elvis at 30. To tell you the truth, in spite of the one scene where she shows some activity I never even thought of her as a henchwoman until she was on GoldenGun's list.

    To be fair, there wasn't much to go on. Since Le Chiffre is considered the main villain and I needed an accomplice of his rather than White's, I ruled out Gettler. So the only other option was Krat (is that his name?), compared to whom I think Valenka has a stronger case since she actually at least has a few scenes where she isn't just in the background. Considering she also poisons Bond on Le Chiffre's orders, I went for her. In hindsight I perhaps could have considered Dimitrios or Carlos, but they're not really part of Le Chiffre's crew so they fell off too.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I had Valenka at number 30.
    Her role in Bond 21 isn't anything of a standout. Other villains within the film have just as memorable parts. Aside from administering the poison for Bond's martini and looking fantastic, what does Valenka really do?
    We don't even see her demise.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I have her at 29, just as I had Elvis at 30. To tell you the truth, in spite of the one scene where she shows some activity I never even thought of her as a henchwoman until she was on GoldenGun's list.

    To be fair, there wasn't much to go on. Since Le Chiffre is considered the main villain and I needed an accomplice of his rather than White's, I ruled out Gettler. So the only other option was Krat (is that his name?), compared to whom I think Valenka has a stronger case since she actually at least has a few scenes where she isn't just in the background. Considering she also poisons Bond on Le Chiffre's orders, I went for her. In hindsight I perhaps could have considered Dimitrios or Carlos, but they're not really part of Le Chiffre's crew so they fell off too.

    I'm not criticizing you here. But there's a lack of dedicated henchpersons in the movie (not to the detriment of it). And I never really could distinguish Kratt from Gettler either, and who is Carlos?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    I have her at 29, just as I had Elvis at 30. To tell you the truth, in spite of the one scene where she shows some activity I never even thought of her as a henchwoman until she was on GoldenGun's list.

    To be fair, there wasn't much to go on. Since Le Chiffre is considered the main villain and I needed an accomplice of his rather than White's, I ruled out Gettler. So the only other option was Krat (is that his name?), compared to whom I think Valenka has a stronger case since she actually at least has a few scenes where she isn't just in the background. Considering she also poisons Bond on Le Chiffre's orders, I went for her. In hindsight I perhaps could have considered Dimitrios or Carlos, but they're not really part of Le Chiffre's crew so they fell off too.

    I'm not criticizing you here. But there's a lack of dedicated henchpersons in the movie (not to the detriment of it). And I never really could distinguish Kratt from Gettler either, and who is Carlos?

    No offence taken, no worries :)

    So Carlos is the guy who tried to blow up the prototype plane...
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    See? For me he was just "the guy who tried to blow up the prototype plane"... :D

    What's missing (not necessarily in the sense of deploring the absence, except if one thinks the movies need that) - from most of the more recent Bond films - is a clearly defined, individual henchperson. Like Oddjob. Like Red Grant. Like Jaws - though I don't like him. Everyone else is pretty forgettable, which is why I forgot about most of them.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    A clearly defined henchman is coming up now though, rounding out the bottom 3 with, at #28:

    ZAO
    by Rick Yune
    in Die Another Day

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    Valenka and Elvis are the only participants with more than 1 bottom finish, and indeed, Zao turned out to be only one participant's least favourite.

    He did however appear in three more bottom 3's and in four more bottom 5's. That's eight bottom 5 rankings on a total of fifteen, which explains Zao's overall placement.

    Zao did crack one top 15 with a single 15th spot, while two other members placed him 16th.

    Neither close to a lower placement or a higher one, Zao collected a total of 52 points.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    "You're late."
    Ah well, I had the man with the sparkling personality at 16. I know DAD is a big no no for many, but Yune is at least dedicated and doing stuff. He does give Bond a hard time on a few occasions. I think he's one of the better elements in DAD.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    26th for me. Serviceable, but nothing to write home about.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    26th for me. Serviceable, but nothing to write home about.

    Same here, 27th on my list.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Hey, this is getting interesting! Just like Nos. 29 and 30 were the same on my list, so Zao is also my No. 28. Wonder how far this goes.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I had Zao at 22.
    He has some redeeming qualities for a henchmen, but there are plenty I rank higher.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Zao was 29 on my list, Elvis was 30.
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