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Then you’re doing a pretty terrible job at trying to make your point across, because you never even brought up a TV series in this conversation.
Besides, they did make a TV series between LTK and GE.
Yeah it would of been easier for them to win negotiations with Amazon
So is Dalton a liar then we he has said he walked away because he didnt want to commit to more than 1 movie?
Ultimately none of us know, but I don’t see any evidence for it at the current time. As humans we like to seek narratives, but often situations like this in history and film are much less simple than we like to see in hindsight.
No, I’m sure even if he did end up doing GE he wouldn’t have wanted to do more beyond that. But the whole thing of Dalton “deciding” to leave the part was part of the publicity machine in order to make it not look like MGM fired him, even though his contract was expired. It was all about optics and Dalton was playing to that as well.
They had JAMES BOND 007!!
It would be a weird thing to shoot without planning to :D
Are you saying they lost negotiations? That they were somehow forced to give it up?
There's no reason to think that anything other than what the Broccolis wanted happened here. They haven't been forced out: there's nothing to say this was anything other than an offer they relented to, because Amazon had no power to force them out- they both had equal hands in 007.
The only power I can see Amazon possibly had was that they would prevent Eon from making any more Bond films in the future because they both had to agree on it. A power which Eon also had over them.
It's an example, nothing more. They didn't make a female James Bond movie with Sharon Stone either.
They made the movie, they didn't have to sell the rights or anything like that. They won the war.
;)
Deke, just disagreeing with every statement isn't the same thing as a coherent argument. I have no idea what your point is.
I am 100%* hetero, married for 20 years. I am also secure enough in my masculinity to admit when someone else's masculinity (manners, style, gestures) is totally alluring. It's not necessarily a sexual thing. But that's why I can see why Barbara was so taken by him. (BTW: Isn't that the appeal to Bond, in general? I never went for the big action hero--Rambo or Superman or Batman. They're fine. But Bond was different--more suave, sophisticated, interesting, about the Martini and the tux as much as the guns.)
* ok, maybe 99.99% LOL
I can see he's attractive and a sexy guy, but I'm asking if, because you can see those things too, your objective side is out of the window and you follow him everywhere because he's so dishy and you love him so? Can he ever do anything you'd criticise or a film you'd not bother watching him in?
Because all this stuff about Broccoli 'loving' him basically comes with the implicit suggestion that she was never thinking with her head and just did whatever he wanted because of his beautiful baby blues, and that's quite insulting.
Read again. 3 years without a Bond....you are asking for the sharks to eat you.
You know what doesn't make sense? Not knowing who the new Bond is yet.
This is why Babs and Michael need to write a tell all book about what happened. We’re just guessing at this point.
With Dalton they carried a bad hand according to MGM because the last film underperformed and came out five years ago, which back then, was an eternity in Bond world. And I'm not going to stop saying that Barbara Broccoli had an attraction to Daniel Craig. It wasn't the same with Pierce.
You don't need an actor to negotiate a movie. If anything, it might have made Amazon less interested in making a movie with an actor chosen by someone else.
Well, now they're so interested that they have control of the franchise.
Also the idea that they were definitely fighting to stay in creative control: we don't know whether they still wanted that by the end.
To be fair, it was perfectly understandable to let go of Brosnan.
Not really. All four of his movies were financially successful, the fans wanted a 5th Brosnan movie, and Pierce would’ve been younger during his fifth movie then Daniel Craig was in No Time To Die
Well, for what it’s worth these things aren’t purely financial but practical, and to be perfectly honest there was even room for financial improvement by the end of Brosnan’s tenure which was linked to the creative direction (it was successful, no doubt, but Bond had been in better positions and was subsequently/even adjusted for inflation).
Aye, decisions like the one recently taken by EON aren’t planned to the letter 8-10 years in advance. They’re subject to many things - change in circumstance, how they feel at any given time etc.
Personally, my gut instinct is I think everyone initially thought EON in some form would take Bond into the new era, even if in the short term. I do not believe BB was committed to selling the creative rights to Bond 8 years before this deal was made, and 4+ years before the circumstances were right for her to do so.
That...is not untrue. And a crying shame. And even years later, the man self criticizes himself too often for things that were not is fault (lousy scripts, ethos, directors, ...). Even Dalton says he liked what he did with what he was given. Pierce can't even say that. He really was kicked to the curb, anyone who lived through those days knows that. It was an ugly affair, undeserved.
It's as if they knew it was coming to an end
It makes more sense why they spent so much time covering Hans Zimmer's excellent Final Ascent track on NTTD
That's not what I am saying at all. But she wanted him for the role and almost wouldn't take no for an answer ("We only wanted him"). Her reasoning made sense: she knew Bond needed charisma. And DC had that, in her estimation. She noted something interesting in Everything or Nothing: Cubby asked her mother about Connery, at the time he was being considered for the part, wanting to know if she found him sexy. "Yes, he's very sexy," her mother said. One can tell, from Barbara's recollection of this, that it was an important aspect of the actor playing the role and it stayed with her. She had the same tone when talking about DC in Being James Bond. No doubt her relationship to/with Craig was important. She did not hide it. She was very open about it. She publicly expressed the difficulty in seeing Craig leave the role.
2006: "He's such a superb actor. He's incredibly sexy, he's very charismatic, he has enormous screen presence and when he takes on a role he completely inhabits the character, and in this case he did everything. He's phenomenal. I think audiences will really embrace him."
2013: "He's the most gorgeous man in the world...Brilliant actor, and he is the greatest Bond ever - I’m not letting him go, not for a long time."
2020: “I’m in total denial. I’ve accepted what Daniel has said, but I’m still in denial. It’s too traumatic for me.”
2020: Broccoli also recently told Empire how she would have cried if Craig has turned down No Time To Die.
2021: "I would love for Daniel to continue forever.”
So, am I suggesting something here that is insulting? Or am I merely reading the things Barbara says and drawing a proper conclusion? You tell me.
While I feel for Brosnan, none of that’s fair from what I can see. Like it or not his contract was over. It was crunch time for either an older (potentially lame duck) Bond for one film or going a different direction with a new actor.
It’s a shame they were working stuff out later in his tenure (although I don’t personally think he was good enough a dramatic actor to do TWINE justice or parts of DAD) but nonetheless he was the face of Bond for those years, a major factor in the franchises’ success post ‘89, and a damn good Bond too. But his time had finished. EON did the right thing as far as I can see. It’s nothing against Brosnan, and I sympathise with him.
Yeah, I tend to agree. My guess is that they expected a way through would appear (which creatively is how the Bond films have always worked: plan for a FYEO and make a MR when the wind blows that way) and it just didn't, and having Amazon take over MGM just added more friction and time and wasted energy and wore them down.
She thinks he's great (she's right), they both know he's sexy, which is the job he's hired for, and talk up how perfect the man they chose for the role is (yes MGW doesn't really go at it with as much vigour as she does, but that's his character). But I don't like to draw the conclusion that she's in love with him or anything like that from it.