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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    vzok wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Die another day iceberg surfing! I remember squirming in the cinema.
    A very uncomfortable moment for sure!

    I had a similar one in 2015 during the 'hanging photos' sequence.

    The hanging photos may be lame and heavy handed, but the iceberg surfing was all that plus it was technically inept.
    No doubt the iceberg is the nadir of the series, but quite frankly there were several notable 'cringe' moments in the last film for me, starting with the CGI building collapse and continuing with the helicopter, octoporn, Smith and M/Bond briefing just to begin with. This was all in the first 15 minutes!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Considering they vetoed every decision Pierce proposed in his tenure, I wouldn’t be surprised he just wanted to get on with the production and move on.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Considering they vetoed every decision Pierce proposed in his tenure, I wouldn’t be surprised he just wanted to get on with the production and move on.

    Yeah based off interviews I've read, it wasn't so much "Pierce didn't do anything about it" as it is "Pierce wasn't listened to because BB wasn't as keen on him as she is Daniel". He's on record saying he always tried to push them in a certain direction, he wasn't listened to, and in the end just did his best to make his work. And personally I can't picture any other Bond holding DAD together as well as he does.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Considering they vetoed every decision Pierce proposed in his tenure, I wouldn’t be surprised he just wanted to get on with the production and move on.

    Yeah based off interviews I've read, it wasn't so much "Pierce didn't do anything about it" as it is "Pierce wasn't listened to because BB wasn't as keen on him as she is Daniel". He's on record saying he always tried to push them in a certain direction, he wasn't listened to, and in the end just did his best to make his work. And personally I can't picture any other Bond holding DAD together as well as he does.

    Sir Roger possibly.

    But I do feel sorry for Pierce,i think he could have been an excellent Bond (I like him anyway) if he got the backing,and was listened to.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Dolly & Jaws meeting. It's like something out of a 'Carry On' Film!

    Film: Carry On Moonraker

    Jaws sits amidst the rubble of the cable car. He finds a pear in his pocket and makes to eat it.
    Dolly approaches

    Dolly: Ooh I say, what a lovely looking pear.
    Jaws: Hehe, you took the words right out of my mouth.

    Camera zooms in on Dolly's cleavage.

    Dolly: Ooooo, saucy!

    She giggles and walks away, swinging her rear end.

    Jaws: Fwwooooooar!
  • barryt007barryt007
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    NicNac wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Dolly & Jaws meeting. It's like something out of a 'Carry On' Film!

    Film: Carry On Moonraker

    Jaws sits amidst the rubble of the cable car. He finds a pear in his pocket and makes to eat it.
    Dolly approaches

    Dolly: Ooh I say, what a lovely looking pear.
    Jaws: Hehe, you took the words right out of my mouth.

    Camera zooms in on Dolly's cleavage.

    Dolly: Ooooo, saucy!

    She giggles and walks away, swinging her rear end.

    Jaws: Fwwooooooar!

    Hahaha brilliant...

    Bond gets caught and thrown into an ambulance :

    Bond : "Oooh matron"...

  • shamanimalshamanimal
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    The Tarzan yell is the worse moment in the entire series for me. At least with the wave-surfing he was still 'in character'. In the jungle scene in Octopussy, he appears to want to share a joke with his enemies. "Look at me, I'm pretending to be Tarzan". Whoever thought that was a good idea should be slapped with a wet plimsoll.
    At least with the wave scene, you can imagine that the idea was to entertain, within the confines of the film. The Tarzan Yell was just an insult to the viewer.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    At least with the wave scene, you can imagine that the idea was to entertain, within the confines of the film.
    Oh it certainly did that alright, but perhaps not in the manner originally intended, at least based on the evidence of the audience's reaction in the theatre I viewed it in.

    The Tarzan yell is embarrassing but at least the actual intention was to get a laugh with that one.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Milovy wrote: »
    +1. Bloody awful. I still wince in horror whenever I have the misfortune to view this.

    The added music accentuates and personifies how it came across all those years ago in the theatre. A very demoralizing experience I must say.

    I really have to say I don't see anything there to hate.
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    In this case I'm afraid I'm not able to help you. Sorry, old chap.
    Your response to another poster sort of sums up all I can say in response to your comment to me. One either sees & feels it or one doesn't. The fact that someone made a youtube clip mocking it indicates those who don't like it aren't alone. I know there are members here who rate TWINE and Brosnan's performance in it quite highly. I'll never understand that, just like I'm certain there are some who just can't understand why SF is so lauded by many, including myself.
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Also, I really really wish the screenplay or script of the last two movies had displayed only third as much quality as the TWINE one.
    I agree that the script and screenplay were half decent, and as I've said elsewhere there were some interesting ideas in TWINE. I personally believe they failed in the execution. The cast, atmosphere, score, visuals, locations, action sequences, pacing, cinematography, tonal balance and most notably Bond actor performance did absolutely nothing for me.

    Since this is after all all about taste ( and I also feel that Apted did quite a few things wrong in the movie )I agree with every word you say. I am also aware that for us and then makes some funny faces in TWINE (which I actually fault the director for since this is what he is on the set. To tell the actors that they done wrong.) but not in this scene. Not to me. But again, it's all about taste.
    Regarding the stories - You see I am foremost a reader and to me a minimum of logic and also originality is absolutely essential. After all, if I read a book that's acceptable good written but features a plot I have read several times before, why should I care for the novel and not lay it to the side in favor of some book written by someone who has to offer me something new and creative. Call me a snob but if someone hasn't got anything new creative and original and him in my eyes he or she should have no business in the entertainment industry. Well maybe except as a bean counter, that is. When I see all the products on the market, be it movies ( including a zillion of reboots, remakes or whatever per year), novels or whatever I know I am a minority but still this is how I feel.
    Regarding the last two movies they feel like a permanent slap in my face to me ( and believe me I am not a nitpicker when it comes to James Bond storylines. After all it was TSWLM which brought me into the game.).
    TWINE at least was polite enough not to insult my intellect every minutes of the film.

    Denise Richards took me out of the film in every scene. And then there's that last line...the worst of any Bond film (although they rivaled it in DAD).
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Considering they vetoed every decision Pierce proposed in his tenure, I wouldn’t be surprised he just wanted to get on with the production and move on.

    Yeah based off interviews I've read, it wasn't so much "Pierce didn't do anything about it" as it is "Pierce wasn't listened to because BB wasn't as keen on him as she is Daniel". He's on record saying he always tried to push them in a certain direction, he wasn't listened to, and in the end just did his best to make his work. And personally I can't picture any other Bond holding DAD together as well as he does.

    Sir Roger possibly.

    But I do feel sorry for Pierce,i think he could have been an excellent Bond (I like him anyway) if he got the backing,and was listened to.

    I think Roger would come closest and I even think that based off his reaction to the bomb countdown at the end of OP, he'd nail the North Korea stuff. But I can't picture him in moments like the scene on the boat with M, I'm not sure if he could do angry/betrayed as well as Pierce. Craig and Dalton couldn't have sold the silly stuff and the crap one liners. Connery would have taken one look at the script and decided it wasn't worth the effort, he would have been on auto pilot. But Brosnan really gives it 100%, managing to do all these very tonally different scenes well and also make it feel natural, like it's the same movie/character through the whole thing. I think it's his best performance and really underrated. I think the film is so crap that people overlook how good he is in it.
  • STLCards3STLCards3
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    I do not find the Pat scene in TB that problematic - the one with Pussy Galore in the hay is the scene that I think feels inappropriate.

    But to me, Pat was flirting with Bond all the time and it did not at all appear as if he really blackmailed her but they teased each other in a flirting way whereas Bond really forces himself onto Pussy. I doubt it was not seen this way in 1964 ...

    On the other hand - Pussy was legitimately holding Bond hostage. Attempted rape of a kidnapper. That would be an interesting trial.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Direst moment?

    "You've just killed James Bond!" or "I knocked him out cold" or "James! JAMES! JAMES!"
  • WSD77WSD77
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    ...in Octopussy, he appears to want to share a joke with his enemies. "Look at me, I'm pretending to be Tarzan"...

    Bond himself isn't meant to be doing the Tarzan yell, it's just a sound effect to underscore the gag.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    WSD77 wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    ...in Octopussy, he appears to want to share a joke with his enemies. "Look at me, I'm pretending to be Tarzan"...

    Bond himself isn't meant to be doing the Tarzan yell, it's just a sound effect to underscore the gag.

    Exactly, like the flute whistle during the car stunt in TMWTGG. The car doesn t actually make that sound.
  • vzokvzok
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    Do people still find the Tarzan yell annoying if they accept it as underscore?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I always ignore the whistle as well as the Tarzan yell and pretend they never happened.
  • shamanimalshamanimal
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    I don't know if having the Tarzan yell as a 'comedic sound effect' makes it any more palatable. Is this the only instance of a none-musical instrument 'sound effect' applied to a Bond film then?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    I don't know if having the Tarzan yell as a 'comedic sound effect' makes it any more palatable. Is this the only instance of a none-musical instrument 'sound effect' applied to a Bond film then?
    Well only if you ignore Roger's patented "Hooah".
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    While not exactly a "moment", I consider the retcon in SP to be the most dire of the films. The surfing in DAD, the Tarzan yell, and the slide whistle are terrible but they don't tarnish any other films in the process unlike SP. I think if me and @Birdleson got together to talk about SP we'd get along famously. Lol.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Remington wrote: »
    While not exactly a "moment", I consider the retcon in SP to be the most dire of the films. The surfing in DAD, the Tarzan yell, and the slide whistle are terrible but they don't tarnish any other films in the process unlike SP. I think if me and @Birdleson got together to talk about SP we'd get along famously. Lol.

    I think you're correct.

    Things like the pigeon and the slide whistle whilst utter bollocks are brief moments that are over in a few seconds.

    SP not only tarnishes its own film and the series with stepbrothergate but also diminishes the films directly preceding it.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    In the scheme of things the brother story element is absolutely not a big deal. Especially compared to the other dire examples given.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    In the scheme of things the brother story element is absolutely not a big deal. Especially compared to the other dire examples given.

    ????

    Making a mockery of the whole character of Blofeld and his relationship with Bond is no worse than a fleeting, 2 second long, crap 'comedy' gag of a pigeon watching a gondola (twice)??

    We'll have to agree to disagree on this one even though, in the words of Mads himself, 'you are soooo wrong'.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    While not exactly a "moment", I consider the retcon in SP to be the most dire of the films. The surfing in DAD, the Tarzan yell, and the slide whistle are terrible but they don't tarnish any other films in the process unlike SP. I think if me and @Birdleson got together to talk about SP we'd get along famously. Lol.

    I think you're correct.

    Things like the pigeon and the slide whistle whilst utter bollocks are brief moments that are over in a few seconds.

    SP not only tarnishes its own film and the series with stepbrothergate but also diminishes the films directly preceding it.

    But doesn't DAF do that too, in its own way? Granted, it's only one film, but there's also only one Tracy.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    echo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    While not exactly a "moment", I consider the retcon in SP to be the most dire of the films. The surfing in DAD, the Tarzan yell, and the slide whistle are terrible but they don't tarnish any other films in the process unlike SP. I think if me and @Birdleson got together to talk about SP we'd get along famously. Lol.

    I think you're correct.

    Things like the pigeon and the slide whistle whilst utter bollocks are brief moments that are over in a few seconds.

    SP not only tarnishes its own film and the series with stepbrothergate but also diminishes the films directly preceding it.

    But doesn't DAF do that too, in its own way? Granted, it's only one film, but there's also only one Tracy.

    I'm not going to argue with you that DAF is poor. But that doesn't make SP good does it?
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    echo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    While not exactly a "moment", I consider the retcon in SP to be the most dire of the films. The surfing in DAD, the Tarzan yell, and the slide whistle are terrible but they don't tarnish any other films in the process unlike SP. I think if me and @Birdleson got together to talk about SP we'd get along famously. Lol.

    I think you're correct.

    Things like the pigeon and the slide whistle whilst utter bollocks are brief moments that are over in a few seconds.

    SP not only tarnishes its own film and the series with stepbrothergate but also diminishes the films directly preceding it.

    But doesn't DAF do that too, in its own way? Granted, it's only one film, but there's also only one Tracy.

    I'm a fan of SP but I think there is a difference. DAF is disappointing coming after OHMSS but it also has nothing to do with it. They're basically two stand alone Bond movies that have nothing to do with eachother, which is disappointing in itself that we didn't get a sequel, but at least it doesn't tarnish OHMSS. SP on the other hand directly retcons the other Craig films, so I can see why it'd be annoying for those who didn't enjoy it.
  • RC7RC7
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    I recognise the hatred for SP, but as the question is termed, ‘moment’, it’s the CGI tsunami surfing for me and it’s not even close. If the question was ‘direst concept’, then fill your boots with SP.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yeah if I wasn't clear enough I disagree the brother plot item even registers on the scale alongside the CGI tsunami parasailing making it on screen.

    Surprised by the dramatic reactions to it. And business moves on just as surely in either case.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    RC7 wrote: »
    I recognise the hatred for SP, but as the question is termed, ‘moment’, it’s the CGI tsunami surfing for me and it’s not even close. If the question was ‘direst concept’, then fill your boots with SP.

    Impossible to really argue with that.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    After watching AVTAK last night, for me it's the French taxi driver.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    After watching AVTAK last night, for me it's the French taxi driver.

    But he was played by Lucien Jérôme, maybe that’s what his English really sounded like ;)
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