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Forgive me please for having as much fun with Indy 4 as I have with Octopussy here. :))
lol, agreed! :)
I've got no big problems with the first 40 odd minutes (although I have to say I find all the exposition about the conquistadors in the cell with Mutt an incredibly dull sequence) but as others have said its like DAD and Iceland. Once it moves to the Amazon it seriously drops off a cliff. The jungle chase starts off OK and then gets worse and worse (Mutt straddling two jeeps) before the monkey swing, the car jumping into the river and the waterfall shambles (and if you're telling me all that was done for real I'm afraid I'll have to call you a liar).
By the end you have Indy trudging along with a cast of thousands (all of whom are annoying to a greater or lesser degree - Ray Winstone serves absolutely no purpose and should've been killed off during the jungle chase, Marion is a parody of her former self and John Hurt must've made some shocking investments if he had to sign up to play this horrendous part to fund his pension. I actually find Mutt the best of them) with no real reason to put themselves in peril except to take the skull back. Once there they all just seem to stand around doing nothing in particular until the building collapses and then they run away again.
Afraid I can't forgive someone preferring this shambles to Rog on top form against a scenery chewing Steven Berkoff.
For the record let me just clarify that Indy 4 and DAD aren't truly shocking like Transformers or anything with Vin Diesel but by they are an abomination when measured by the yardstick set by the other films in their respective series.
I haven't seen it but it sounds like we'll have to add Die Hard V to that list now.
There have been so much worse movies than these two I find that these two will be watched at my house. Are we talking the recent works of mr Adam Sandler or Eddie Murphy we are talking really poor movies.
It may be one of the worst Bonds but Indy IV just didn't work imo.
Indy is too old and the inclusion of his son ruined any enjoyment for me.
DAD wins, I haven't said that very often!!
Also wasn't the Miami airport sequence in CR inspired by the land rover chase in Raiders or am I mistaken?
There are bits of Indy 4 I quite like I admit. I thought the shot of him next to the mushroom cloud was good and some of the opening stuff in Area 51 was enjoyable
I haven't seen it but it sounds a bit like SF.Death defying CGI 'stunts' and implausible physics-denying escapes. Come to think of it, SF is probably the Bond film Spielberg would make were he given the job today.Actually, that's a bit unfair to Spielberg. On the evidence of Munich and Minority Report he'd probably still do something pretty good.
I've just had a thought. Ray Winston in a Bond film?????
He's English after all ;)
What are you drivelling on about? What is physics defying about SF? The fall off the bridge may be a long shot to survive but it's not repeated 3 times in succession and with 5 people all walking away.
You may not be an SF fan but don't take the piss. Indy 4 not fit to lace it's boots.
Does your dislike for Skyfall have to leak into every thread?
Die Hard 5, Rocky V, Alien Ressurection, Jason X, Rambo 4, Batman and Robin, Bourne Legacy, etc.
Out of that lot above I'd say Die Hard 5 takes it because Willis gave a good performance and the car chase was destructive fun. It was the terrible script, bad directing and the f***ing awful finale that ruined it.
I actually like Rocky 5, Rambo and Batman & Robin, not to mention (but I will) Escape From LA, Superman III (but not IV; I may be twisted, but I'm not, err... TERRIBLY twisted), Star Trek V, Robocop 3, Diamonds Are Forever, Indy 4, The Day After Tomorrow, X-3, Spider-man 3, Daredevil (Director's Cut only), Elektra, Flash Gordon, Cuthroat Island, The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Supergirl, ahhh, I'm finally running dry here....
:))
The way I figure it you're either an over-developed masochist or simply have low standards. Or maybe both.
@chrisisall When you say Rambo, do you mean in general or do you mean the 4th film? Because I think the first one is a fantastic movie all round and the next two were good popcorn action flicks (I really didn't like the 4th one).
Who am I to judge that?
Well, you judged me once, can you not do it twice?
Or do you Dredd redressing an issue?
;)
Colour me mocked. :D
Temple of Doom - The Spy Who Loved Me
Last Crusade - For Your Eyes Only
Crystal Skull - Quantum of Solace
I only saw the last Jones releases once but it was enough. Ford is simply too old to play the part now but it's how I feel about a lot of actors with still ongoing franchises (Willis - Die Hard) for example. Is it better than Die Another Day ? Although Brosnan's last hurrah was poor, it was still a Bond release, so I did take a certain amount of pleasure from it - albeit not much
Don't agree with any of that. I'd say more like this -
Raiders - GF (blueprint perfection)
Temple of Doom - QoS (much darker in tone)
Last Crusade - TSWLM (following the original blueprint with more outlandish stunts and gags)
Crystall Skull - DAD (what else)!
I'm guessing from your reply that you know precisely what I'm drivelling on about.
Haven't seen Indy4 but your description of the silly escape immediately made me think of SF. You might not have had a problem with it but plenty of others had to do a Roger-esque double take at that point to take in what had just happened. Apparently Mendes says on his DVD commentary the film has a major narrative leap that he was worried about. I'm not sure whether he means the fall or the move to Scotland, but both are clunky bits of story-telling - you can hear P+W grinding through the screenplay gears to move the story along.
Even @BAIN's mum apparently found Bond's survival after the fall inexplicable.
Well yeah...but then again she's not a big Bond fan. She just watched it because of a bit of "persuasion" from her son :p
She did like GE when she saw it with me when I was young though and she preferrs Pierce over Dan who she thinks looks too much like Jeremy Kyle :))
That's my point @BAIN. Your mum didn't have an axe to grind, she watched the film and found that part unbelievable or poorly explained. Some people are so desperate to defend SF that they are blind to its basic flaws.
I will agree that parts of the film do maybe require us to suspend our disbelief a little too much, BUT looking at the film as a whole again the other day, there are so many good scenes featuring heavy-weight actors giving good, engaging performances that I can forgive it.
-First meeting with M and Malorie
-Bond and M in underground Mi6
-Bond and M on Scottish Moore's
-M reading Tennyson
-Bond and Q
-Silvia and Bond
-Silvia's "target practice"
-Bond and Servine
-M's death
-Bond with Moneypenny on the roof at the end
You get my point
What's most depressing is the number of fans who are saying, 'oh, but it's only a Bond film' as if bad writing and direction is what you should expect when you watch a Bond movie. That's an insult to Maibaum and great scripts he crafted.
In the Dr No book an reason is given how Bond survives a poisoned tipped blade at the end of FRWL. Its completely proposterous as, in real life, there is NO cure to that kind of poison but Fleming did at least try and give a proper explination.