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  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Well, I had an idea, might sound crazy but I think it makes some sense.
    We've been talking about Moriarty's brother but now I think we might have been looking at the wrong brother.
    I think Mycroft might be the one behind the Moriarty video that caused Sherlock to come back. Please follow me:
    1. Despite everything he might say to others, Mycroft would do anything for his little brother, we've had plenty of proof of that.
    2. Earlier he told Sherlock not to accept the job he was going to be offered because he wouldn't last six months. This was the same job Sherlock was going to take in the end.
    3. When Sherlock shot Magnussen, Mycroft showed dispair on his face and said something like "Oh Sherlock, what have you done" and then we see Sherlock as a child again, this is the way Mycroft sees him! (By the way, the boy is Louis Moffat, Sue Vertue and Steven Moffat's son. They do like keeping things in the family don't they?)
    4. Mycroft would do anything to keep his brother from harm and he had the power to pull a stunt like that video to bring him back, since all else had failed.

    Well, what do you think?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Hey, Sandy! I
    thought about it being perhaps Mycroft's doing this morning! Oh great minds think ... well, anyway we think. That is a real possibility, but I simply have not thought it through. Whatever Moffat and Gatiss thought up, it will be a twist. But ... thinking about it ... then it gets tricky: how would Mycroft pull it off long term? Hire an actor, be the "man behind the curtain" himself just having the Moriarty image pop up time to time. Hmmm!
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    If there is someone who could pull it off is him @4EverBonded!
    I mean, he IS the British government.
    Anyway, he wouldn't need to keep this going for long, just long enough for Sherlock to be needed (really) again. At that moment he couldn't let his brother go, he had to do something. At least that's what I think.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Actually I think
    that is as plausible as anything I can come up with. And we could see Mycroft truly thinks of protecting Sherlock and still thinks of him as when he was a young boy. He is brilliant enough, and is the govt so to speak, yeah. He could do it. Hmmm again! :)
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited January 2014 Posts: 5,767
    Sandy wrote:
    Well, I had an idea, might sound crazy but I think it makes some sense.
    We've been talking about Moriarty's brother but now I think we might have been looking at the wrong brother.
    I think Mycroft might be the one behind the Moriarty video that caused Sherlock to come back. Please follow me:
    1. Despite everything he might say to others, Mycroft would do anything for his little brother, we've had plenty of proof of that.
    4. Mycroft would do anything to keep his brother from harm and he had the power to pull a stunt like that video to bring him back, since all else had failed.
    That still stands on the razor´s edge. Mycroft sat watching when
    Sherlock was "beaten to pulp". And it´s unlikely Mycroft informed Sherlock of everything he planned regarding Moriarty. So he allegedly used Sherlock, and despite Mycroft being sure Sherlock would see through it all he put him in extremely dangerous situations nevertheless.
    Sandy wrote:
    2. Earlier he told Sherlock not to accept the job he was going to be offered because he wouldn't last six months. This was the same job Sherlock was going to take in the end.
    At the time I watched it I got the impression
    Mycroft was sending Sherlock to his death,
    but I´m missing some details, I have to wait a week ´till the dvds arrive ;-).
    Sandy wrote:
    3. When Sherlock shot Magnussen, Mycroft showed dispair on his face and said something like "Oh Sherlock, what have you done" and then we see Sherlock as a child again, this is the way Mycroft sees him!
    Was that the way Mycroft sees him, or does he himself see himself as a child in that moment?
    I have to see it again. Anyhow I have to see it again, like ten times. I understand it´s floating somewhere on the net, but I want to enjoy it in good dvd quality, so I´ll wait one more week :-).
    Sandy wrote:
    Well, what do you think?
    I think I´m dizzy now from trying to answer in paragraphs and not mess up the spoiler tags ;-).
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Well, the love between the Holmes brother is what we might call tough love, but it doesn't mean it's not love!
    I'm also waiting for the blurays to arrive to rewatch it. Perhaps they will show it again this week like they did with The Sign of Three, then I'll be able to rewatch it sooner.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    A little more clarity...
    http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s129/sherlock/news/a544190/steven-moffat-on-sherlock-finale-twist-it-is-not-a-last-minute-whim.html
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Empire's podcast is out.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Sandy wrote:
    Empire's podcast is out.

    Thankyou Sandy for posting this link.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    You're welcome @Mrcoggins.

    Around the middle there's a question about the Bond influence. They didn't say if it was one of the twitted questions but I did tweet them that question :D
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    That is cool, Sandy! It probably was your question. :)
    Is there any way to read the text of a podcast? Just asking; I cannot watch a podcast or any video this early in the day.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    4EverBonded wrote:
    That is cool, Sandy! It probably was your question. :)
    Is there any way to read the text of a podcast? Just asking; I cannot watch a podcast or any video this early in the day.

    It's just audio, but they said that they will release the text as well. Just check the link.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2014 Posts: 12,480
    I checked the link, but I do not know what would be the text. RSS? It is very hard to read, but would that be it?

    Good to know the ending was not a whim. I didn't think so; they seem to plot well ahead, those two clever men.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Just caught this episode. It was fantastic! The villain was superb, perfect Bond-villain material. He was just incredibly menacing without needing to be physically imposing. Very entertaining episode and probably the best in the series.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Here it is! Very interesting! With SPOILERS!!

    http://www.empireonline.com/features/sherlock-series-3-secrets/p10
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    This is a post on Watson Blog. No spoilers and a Bond feeling on it... ;)

    http://www.johnwatsonblog.co.uk/blog/23march
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Thanks for posting that Empire interview, @ggl007. That'll be a nice treat to relax and listen to after I get some school work done today.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    His Last Vow repeats today on BBC3 at 21:00 GMT
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited January 2014 Posts: 45,489
    I finally got to see this series that everyone has been raving about. I will not see any more, sorry. That is not Sherlock Holmes in my opinion. I get it. The writers envisioned him as an unlovable autist of sorts and that is an interesting take on the character, but it was not to my liking. So flag me.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    I finally got to see this series that everyone has been raving about. I will not see any more, sorry. That is not Sherlock Holmes in my opinion. I get it. The writers envisioned him as an unlovable autist of sorts and that is an interesting take on the character, but it was not to my liking. So flag me.

    What do you mean when you say this is not Sherlock Holmes @Thunderfinger? And why do you think people will flag you?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    A traditional Sherlock would be the Jeremy Brett series from the 1980's and '90s. I still enjoy that one a lot. This is a new take, and I personally love it. But if you do not care for it, that's fine. No one would flag you for voicing your opinion in a noninflammatory way.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    I finally got to see this series that everyone has been raving about. I will not see any more, sorry. That is not Sherlock Holmes in my opinion. I get it. The writers envisioned him as an unlovable autist of sorts and that is an interesting take on the character, but it was not to my liking. So flag me.
    Moffat, Gatiss and Thompson have written a Sherlock Holmes that is not only unbelievably lovable, but even more loving to those in his world, so I'm not quite sure where you got that idea. I've barely ever seen a better adaption of Holmes in my life. This show is lightning in a bottle and a brilliant tribute to Doyle's characters.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sandy wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    I finally got to see this series that everyone has been raving about. I will not see any more, sorry. That is not Sherlock Holmes in my opinion. I get it. The writers envisioned him as an unlovable autist of sorts and that is an interesting take on the character, but it was not to my liking. So flag me.

    What do you mean when you say this is not Sherlock Holmes @Thunderfinger? And why do you think people will flag you?

    I am not fully immersed in the Holmes character as I have only read a couple of the books, and seen a few of the older films, not seen the Downey films yet. I like Cumberbatch, dont get me wrong but it is just not my kind of Holmes. I do not mind the update and all, but to me it was just embarrassing. The flag me quip was just that, a quip. :)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    The thing is that most people had a completely wrong idea of Sherlock Holmes. Anyone who read the stories knows Sherlock Holmes is a seriously strange person. He's able to drive Watson insane at times. He's not the polite, tidy, lovable, middle-aged man that is usually shown in most adaptations. Of course this series takes his personality to new heights but it's exactly the same character as in the books, there can be no doubt about that. It is said in academic circles that Doyle did the first description of a patient with bipolar disease when he wrote the stories fyi.
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
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    Sandy wrote:
    The thing is that most people had a completely wrong idea of Sherlock Holmes. Anyone who read the stories knows Sherlock Holmes is a seriously strange person. He's able to drive Watson insane at times. He's not the polite, tidy, lovable, middle-aged man that is usually shown in most adaptations. Of course this series takes his personality to new heights but it's exactly the same character as in the books, there can be no doubt about that. It is said in academic circles that Doyle did the first description of a patient with bipolar disease when he wrote the stories fyi.

    Well, this is a perfect adaption.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    As I have only seen a couple of episodes, I might give it another go perhaps. Does he play the violin and abuse morphine as well? And is there any other connection to the Doyle stories other than in name? Some series require repeated viewings to get you aquainted with the characters, I realize that. I was just initially disappointed, maybe I expected more. Like with Agents Of SHIELD. That was another letdown for me so far.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    He plays the violin beautifully. It's not morphine, it's cocaine, 7% solution in the stories. The issue is dealt with in the series. Any other connection to the stories other than the name. Ha! That's the thing! The canon is absolutely everywhere you look! It's a treat for Holmesians.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    There's an east wind coming ... ;)
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    4EverBonded wrote:
    There's an east wind coming ... ;)

    I think not, it's very warm.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sandy wrote:
    He plays the violin beautifully. It's not morphine, it's cocaine, 7% solution in the stories. The issue is dealt with in the series. Any other connection to the stories other than the name. Ha! That's the thing! The canon is absolutely everywhere you look! It's a treat for Holmesians.

    Never cared to try cocaine, myself. Always preferred morphine cough syrup, but maybe that is not for autists? :))
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