Sherlock (2010) BBC Series Discussion Thread

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  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Sandy wrote:
    ggl007 wrote:
    Well, talking of "non-canonical" behaviour,
    I can´t imagine Doyle´s characters drunk, getting in fights in a pub or with their hangovers!
    :-O

    Well, then you are very wrong, as there are instances in the books of those three things ;)

    :O
    Could you enlighten me, please?

    @thelivingroyale I don´t need to be all-canonical, but until the last episode, I really love all the modernized things, because I found them really intelligent and respectful with Doyle and their characters. In His Last Vow, those couple of things... worry me a little... :-?
    That said, I still love the series and have faith in the next season...
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    ggl007 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    ggl007 wrote:
    Well, talking of "non-canonical" behaviour,
    I can´t imagine Doyle´s characters drunk, getting in fights in a pub or with their hangovers!
    :-O

    Well, then you are very wrong, as there are instances in the books of those three things ;)

    :O
    Could you enlighten me, please?

    @thelivingroyale I don´t need to be all-canonical, but until the last episode, I really love all the modernized things, because I found them really intelligent and respectful with Doyle and their characters. In His Last Vow, those couple of things... worry me a little... :-?
    That said, I still love the series and have faith in the next season...

    Enlighten I shall
    Drunk: See Hangover bellow.
    Fights in a pub: The Solitary Cyclist
    Hangovers: Sherlock Holmes doesn't touch his breakfast on the 7th of January seemingly because he had a hangover from his (supposed) birthday on the 6th of January. It is also believed that in the opening of The Speckled Band Dr. Watson has a hangover, which led some to claim that the 31st of March was his birthday instead of the 7th of July.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Wow, @Sandy, I expected something more than: "It is believed", "led some to claim", "supposed"...

    I knew some of those and, frankly, not really canonical for me... :-? ;)
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    ggl007 wrote:
    Wow, @Sandy, I expected something more than: "It is believed", "led some to claim", "supposed"...

    I knew some of those and, frankly, not really canonical for me... :-? ;)
    Well, fact is, although some things are not mentioned directly, many things are alluded to in an indirect manner in the canon.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2014 Posts: 28,694
    ggl007 wrote:
    Wow, @Sandy, I expected something more than: "It is believed", "led some to claim", "supposed"...

    I knew some of those and, frankly, not really canonical for me... :-? ;)

    Obviously it wouldn't be clear and out in the open. That's not how Holmes works. Much of what we know about him (or suspect to know about him) is interpreted through context clues. That's the beauty of these characters though, and why we could dissect and investigate them for centuries to come as they have been for over a hundred years already.

    The drunk Sherlock didn't bug me at all, regardless of what the canon says. Sherlock would do anything to make John happy, and he tried his best to be the best...best man he could (what a mouth full). He took on the job like a case, investigating every area and went to lengths that no other best man would do (see the serviettes) just to make John proud. Even the stag night was a science experiment to him, as he measured their alcohol intake and made the evening a study in how drinking affects the body's natural processes (like John's intake levels and how that related to his urination). He didn't just get drunk to get drunk. He scientifically manipulated the stag night to be the best it could be, though it didn't turn out too well. Still, Sherlock's efforts as best man reflect his determination to be the best at anything that comes his way, and the best man mission tested that in him as he took on new social conventions he wasn't aware of (like the stag night) and had no experience in. I loved it, and I laugh my arse off every time I watch it beyond all the characterization it gives to Sherlock.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!
    Of course these things have to be read between the lines! But about #2 it's there, written clearly.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sandy wrote:
    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!
    Of course these things have to be read between the lines! But about #2 it's there, written clearly.

    Gotta love that fight in Cyclist.

    "It was a straight left against a slogging ruffian."

    And for all the people outraged at Sherlock's drinking, may we again look to the canon? This is a man who will refuse to eat because he believes digestion slows him down, uses cocaine to stimulate his brain when he can't get a case, and is completely willing to try a dangerous chemical he made to test its effects without any regard for his own personal safety, but when he chugs down a few beers we're crossing the line into un-canonical territory? Come on, now.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Sandy wrote:
    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!
    Of course these things have to be read between the lines! But about #2 it's there, written clearly.

    Gotta love that fight in Cyclist.

    "It was a straight left against a slogging ruffian."

    And for all the people outraged at Sherlock's drinking, may we again look to the canon? This is a man who will refuse to eat because he believes digestion slows him down, uses cocaine to stimulate his brain when he can't get a case, and is completely willing to try a dangerous chemical he made to test its effects without any regard for his own personal safety, but when he chugs down a few beers we're crossing the line into un-canonical territory? Come on, now.

    That's right Brady! In fact, I'm not completely sure (have to check), but I think he drank beer at a pub in Blue Carbuncle.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Yes, he did, @Sandy ... or at least started to. Oh, where is my battered paperback of Holmes stories right this second?! Found it.
    Yes, he ordered two beers (Watson was with him) and also said "Well, here's your good health, landlord, and prosperity to your house." I am assuming he drank his beer at the pub, having ordered and said what amounted to a drinking toast.

    I think there is another instance in a pub, too; just cannot recall it at this moment.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Yes, he did, @Sandy ... or at least started to. Oh, where is my battered paperback of Holmes stories right this second?! Found it.
    Yes, he ordered two beers (Watson was with him) and also said "Well, here's your good health, landlord, and prosperity to your house." I am assuming he drank his beer at the pub, having ordered and said what amounted to a drinking toast.

    I think there is another instance in a pub, too; just cannot recall it at this moment.

    Yes, I'm sure there is something else but I can't remember it either. Anyway he drank all sorts of thing in the books: wine, brandy, Port, tea, coffee, and some other things I won't delve much into.

    By the way, I just saw some funny photos taken yesterday at the PGA awards I want to share. I give you Sherlock and Sherlock:
    Beaf1EoCEAAczCm.jpg:large
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2014 Posts: 28,694
    I would pay big money for Benedict and Robert's Sherlocks to meet each other. Be sure to have Scotland Yard on stand-by. ;)
  • Is a third Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes film ever going to happen? I know those films weren't as good as Sherlock but I enjoyed them and I'd like them to make a couple more.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited January 2014 Posts: 12,480
    And I love both of them! Two great, albeit so different, Sherlocks. Thanks for the photos, @Sandy! :)

    I think the Ritchie films were really okay - but that is because I especially like Robert and Jude in their roles. I heard the 3rd one is going to happen. I'll see if I can find out more on it ...
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Sandy wrote:
    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!
    Of course these things have to be read between the lines! But about #2 it's there, written clearly.

    :-O :-O :-O :)) :)) :))
    No, I know that was never written...
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Is a third Guy Ritchie Sherlock Holmes film ever going to happen? I know those films weren't as good as Sherlock but I enjoyed them and I'd like them to make a couple more.

    They were great fun, especially the first one. I think that although RDJ doesn't look at all like Sherlock is supposed to look he did a fantastic job and Jude Law is one of my favourite Dr. Watsons. The last thing I heard there was going to be a 3rd one, but nobody knows when.
    ggl007 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!
    Of course these things have to be read between the lines! But about #2 it's there, written clearly.

    :-O :-O :-O :)) :)) :))
    No, I know that was never written...

    What was never written?
  • Posts: 12,526
    Sandy wrote:
    Yes, he did, @Sandy ... or at least started to. Oh, where is my battered paperback of Holmes stories right this second?! Found it.
    Yes, he ordered two beers (Watson was with him) and also said "Well, here's your good health, landlord, and prosperity to your house." I am assuming he drank his beer at the pub, having ordered and said what amounted to a drinking toast.

    I think there is another instance in a pub, too; just cannot recall it at this moment.

    Yes, I'm sure there is something else but I can't remember it either. Anyway he drank all sorts of thing in the books: wine, brandy, Port, tea, coffee, and some other things I won't delve much into.

    By the way, I just saw some funny photos taken yesterday at the PGA awards I want to share. I give you Sherlock and Sherlock:
    Beaf1EoCEAAczCm.jpg:large

    I wonder if they compared Sherlocks? :D Its a great set of pics!
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,541
    Sandy wrote:
    ggl007 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!

    :-O :-O :-O :)) :)) :))
    No, I know that was never written...

    What was never written?
    In black, in your Spoiler tag... No canonical-hangovers...
    :D
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    ggl007 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    ggl007 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    @ggl007 if you really were expecting
    in the story X Doyle wrote "Sherlock Holmes woke up with a hangover" you are looking at the wrong author!

    :-O :-O :-O :)) :)) :))
    No, I know that was never written...

    What was never written?
    In black, in your Spoiler tag... No canonical-hangovers...
    :D

    Sorry, it was late I-)
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Sandy wrote:

    Sorry, it was late I-)
    No problem. Perhaps you have now the hangover...
    :O :))
  • Posts: 5,767
    I´m in the middle of delving into the DVDs of the third season, and I hugely enjoy the variety of tension and story arcs. This season is really a master class example for how to interweave different arcs within one episode and at the same time throughout the entire season.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Got the bluray for season 3 yesterday \:D/
    Was a bit disappointed to see that there is no audio commentary this time :( I haven't checked the special options or the documentaries so I can't comment on whether the change was worth it or not.

    I watched The Empty Hearse right away. I had only watched it once and, as I commented at the time, with lots of distractions. I think I caught everything this time around.
    There were things that I loved (e.g. deduction game with Mycroft), some things were intriguing (e.g. parents!?), some things left me cold (e.g. wasting Moran in such a plot), some things were just stupid (e.g. shouldn't Mrs. Hudson have noticed by then that they were not a couple?).
    All in all I don't think this team is even capable of delivering a bad episode but it might be my least favourite of the 9 so far.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Season 3 was my least favorite, sadly. I don't think I'll be diving into a blu-ray purchase immediately.
  • Posts: 5,767
    Finished a first run of the whole season on DVD. As with the first two seasons, it gets better with repeated watching. All three episodes had emotionally touching moments, which I didn´t feel with the first two seasons.

    When
    Moriarty appears on all those screens, saying, ´Did ya miss me´, his mouth is not really moving, it´s crudely animated. Then after the credits, when he really says, ´miss me?´, he appears very shortly. Which gives me the impression that the post-credit one is a joke from the producers.
    I´m sure
    Moriarty on every channel means some organisation uses Moriarty´s image for their purposes.
    And I´m sure we´ll see
    more of Janine, she was just too pissed off to just vaporize.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    boldfinger wrote:
    Finished a first run of the whole season on DVD. As with the first two seasons, it gets better with repeated watching. All three episodes had emotionally touching moments, which I didn´t feel with the first two seasons.

    When
    Moriarty appears on all those screens, saying, ´Did ya miss me´, his mouth is not really moving, it´s crudely animated. Then after the credits, when he really says, ´miss me?´, he appears very shortly. Which gives me the impression that the post-credit one is a joke from the producers.
    I´m sure
    Moriarty on every channel means some organisation uses Moriarty´s image for their purposes.
    And I´m sure we´ll see
    more of Janine, she was just too pissed off to just vaporize.

    Agree with #1 except I don't think the post-credits was a joke but simply another piece in the manipulation of the audience. Agree with #2. Not sure about #3, she was pissed off but I think she made her point almost painfully when she told him
    we could have been friends. And there's, of course, the little hint at farm and bee hives :D
  • Posts: 5,767
    Over my enthusiasm I completely overlooked that the mini-episode "Many Happy Returns" seems not to be on the DVDs. Is it the same with the BR? Or is it hidden somewhere as an easter egg? It would really be a shame if it wasn´t on there at all.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    boldfinger wrote:
    Over my enthusiasm I completely overlooked that the mini-episode "Many Happy Returns" seems not to be on the DVDs. Is it the same with the BR? Or is it hidden somewhere as an easter egg? It would really be a shame if it wasn´t on there at all.

    Nope, isn't there. I hadn't even thought about it @bondfinger! They should have included it. There are a few nice documentaries in there but I would have preferred the audio commentaries nonetheless.
  • Posts: 5,767
    If the
    bomb
    in The empty Hearse was really facilitated by
    a terrorist network
    , and if Magnussen really is
    not a terrorist
    , then it would be obvious that there is some
    organisation behind all the things
    in season 3.
  • Didn't they say that the bomb was planted by that bloke, who was secretly working for North Korea?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited January 2014 Posts: 28,694
    I started this graphic art project this past week and finally got around to finishing it this weekend:

    i_don_t_shave_for_sherlock_holmes_by_bradymajor-d73vbj4.jpg
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Nice! As always,@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 , I enjoy your art work a lot. :)
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