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If you think that's funny, I'd love to know your views on the Brosnan films.....
On second thoughts, forget it. I can already guess what your taste will be.
I find many parallels between Brosnan and the Tenth Doctor in that regard.
The soap opera drama found in Brozza's flicks (most evident in TWINE) is very bad, highly unrealistic, cheesy and naff. I don't think this is really the case with the drama moments in Craig's two films, partly because Craig is a far better actor than Brozza, and also the writing team probably fine tuned and learned their mistakes during the 90's with the crap they wrote.
Cheers Samuel.
I've often thought about trying to draw parallels between the Bonds & Doctors. Some are easier than others.
Just stick with us for a bit, eh? You add a lot and not just the truth about Brosnan. ;)
Very true but sadly the problems with Brosnan and Tennant are too glaring to ignore. ;)
I also think parallels could be found between Brosnan & Davison. Both are popular, but I don't see what each brough that had not been done by those that went before. Away from Brosnan, an obvious one for me would be Dalton & McCoy. Both started and officially ended their run* at the same time and they had the same intentions for the characters of Bond and The Doctor.
* Excluding McCoy's cameo in the TVM,
Yeah i pefer Brosnans films because they are pure fun escapism and Brosnan is one of the sexiest bonds (like the 8th doctor- contains all the best elements of the previous bonds)
Sorry but I think that's BS. People always say CR was really close to the book but I don't think it was. It followed the basic outline of it, but there were a ton of changes, Vesper's death is just one of them. EG- Double 0 kills are different, there's all the scenes in Madagascar and Miami for a start, then you have the fact that they changed it to poker, etc. Most of these changes aren't bad (I love the Madagascar and Miami scenes), it just suprises me when people say CR was really close to the book.
I saw the film first and when people said it was close to the book I decided to read it, and I was suprised how much from the film was missing. Ok, I wasn't expecting Bond to free run in the book or stop an airport bomb, but I was still suprised how much they changed for the film.
Fixed ;)
Seriously though, although I agree Brosnan was a step down after Dalton, I have to disagree with your post. I think it'd be pretty much impossible to match Dalton so I can't blame him there. Apart from DAD (and even that has lots good things which people overlook), I really enjoy Brosnans films and I think he did a great job.
I agree with almost everything you've said. I had read CR before the film came out, but I still had that same feeling. The basic outline is the same, but most things have been changed.
Dalton and Broz are tied for second on my actors list, and Craig is not far behind, but as of now, he's still behind.
Bond plays Le Chiffre at cards to make him lose his money (check)
Bond almost gets killed during the game (check)
Bond gets cleaned out, then is rescued by Felix Leiter with more funds (check)
Bond eventually beats Le Chiffre (check)
Bond goes for a romantic meal with Vesper (check)
Vesper gets a message then disappears (check)
Bond runs after her, and a car chase ensues (check)
Bond crashes his car and passes out (check)
Bond gets his balls whacked in a torture session by Le Chiffre (check)
Le Chiffre is shot in the head by the organisation he owes money to (check)
Bond recovers in hospital (check)
Bond and Vesper fall in love during his recovery (check)
Vesper betrays him and commits suicide (check)
Bond utters the now infamous line `the bitch is dead!'
That sequence of events pretty much covers the whole novel, and the entire second half of the film.
`Nuff said!
Like I said, basic outline, there's still plenty of changes. We've already agreed that the first half was really different, let's look at your points about the 2nd half.
1- It was Baccarat in the book, and played somewhere in France I think, not Montenegro.
2- He wasn't almost killed by poison and terrorists from Uganda in the book.
3- True
4- True
5- True
6- True
7- In the book though, wasn't it spikes or something that crashed the car instead of Vesper being on the road?
8- True
9- Different torture, he used a carpet beater in the book, in a big house not a crappy, run down boat
10- True, but different organisation (but this change was needed, they can't just use Russians as bad guys)
11- True
12- True
13- But in a much more different way, and in a different location.
14- True
So when you take these changes, the ones I mentioned before and the first half, it's not that close to the book. Like I said, it follows the basic outline of it (at least in the 2nd half), but still, plenty of differences.
It's extremely close to the book. The book was like the outline of a paper. The paper will have more fleshed out ideas than the outline!
I personally think it would have been rather boring if they followed the book closer. There would have been less atmosphere.
Precisely. I think Vesper in the road was better than a spike strip. More 'dramatic'.
C R was a bit of a bloathed movie for my taste.
I'm not saying these changes aren't good, and I know most of them were needed, I'm just saying, since there's that many changes, I don't think it's really as close to the book as everyone makes out.
I think most of the 60s films were pretty close. OHMSS is closest the book I think, I've read CR, MR GF, TB and OHMSS.
Dr No, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS were all closer to the books than CR has managed. But then when they were filmed the books were far closer to the time they were written in. GF was story-wise actually improved upon (making the gold radio-active instead of stealing it), I am sure even Fleming would agree with that.
And Brady, if you remember CR the movie were they dragged Mathis away because he was apperantly a traitor according to 007. So far your ally theory in that movie, and of course he was an ally I am just not sure what the idea was from the writers of the script. This was one stupid decision.