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I'm curious; why is that?
I've heard some say Eva isn't a very good actress too. I don't think she's that bad at all - at least in CR.
Yes, of course. There was nothing to imply they'd had sex, and it was later on made very clear they hadn't by the lake-side scene later on when Bond is recovering from the torture.
Besides, sex after the shower scene would have ruined the effect of the shower scene, and would have completely destroyed Bond's credibility in the relationship; it would have been impossible to believe that he cared about her then, or to take him seriously when he confessed his love later. Therefore the devastating effects her betrayal and her death had on Bond would have been lost, and pretty much the whole story in the movie would have become meaningless. In short, sex after the shower scene (either obvious or implied) would have ruined Casino Royale, IMO.
some Flashbacks (include delete beach scene of CR) too.
In all those years her death created trouble for Bond.
She works. She makes all scenes work. She makes Casino Royale work. She is the reason Daniel Craig worked.
Just like I thought Christmas comes only once a year. We could have thread about theBond lines fans love and hate at the same time hehe.
But my answer to the original thread.
Yes i did find their love story belivable, they definitely had the chemistry and Campbell developed their relationship very nicely.
Actually its the best developed love story in a Martin Campbell film.
I loved The romance in Goldeneye with Bond/ Natalya and The Mask of Zorro since the actors had great chemistry in their respective films but the romance came right out if the blue.
With Elena and Zorro was the cliche love at first sight and Goldeneye was from i don't trust to kissing after escape from the train.
But in Casino Royale Martin Campbell finally took the right time for the romance to be developed.
I disagree.
I think Pierce had great chemistry with Sophie Marceau, Famke Janssen, Isabella Scourpco, Rosamund Pike and Teri Hatcher.
Ugandan.
What makes these two films so special, outside of their respective teams full of talent and the amazing filmmaking that occurred in each example, is that we see Bond truly at a loss in the face of a woman, disarmed and challenged in a way that is more playful than combative. It's great to see Bond a bit flummoxed by Vesper or Tracy, as they are strong women who aren't like the others he so often meets, and can throw back at him all he sends their way. They don't fall at their knees for him and don't play games; they are complex, complicated and fully formed women that feel real and genuine, which a lot of Bond girls don't. Most Bond girls fill the eye candy role of a Miss America or random exotic beauty and that's all fine and good I guess, but it's nice to see when the franchise rises to do something with a Bond girl beyond their surface features and makes them truly valuable and integral to the plot without using them as defenseless, demure toys Bond has to save from a baddie again and again.
It almost feels like a slap in the face to Vesper and Tracy to even call them Bond girls, actually, because that title feels below them and doesn't fully paint the picture of their vitality and immense power as women in Bond's world. There's a reason these two are the only ones to truly get under Bond's skin, shake him up and make him consider leaving his life behind in a big way, and it shows in the performances of Rigg and Green and how they react to their respective Bond actors. We miss out on seeing Bond react in a noticeable way to Tracy's demise following OHMSS to DAF and a number of factors that made the filmmakers unable to deal with the aftermath of that moment properly, but in QoS Vesper gets the treatment Tracy deserved and it was beautiful to see. As Bond grieves Vesper is an unseen presence always there, and for the first time we got to see Bond troubled by a woman who actually meant something to him, and who he has complex feelings for that exist outside of boring biological attraction. Tracy and Vesper gave us glimpses of a more human Bond, the only ones to do it to that degree, and that's a big deal.
To put it simply, there's other Bond girls, and they look good in bikinis and they have nice smiles and fill out a nice figure, sure, but then there's Tracy and Vesper. They are THE impressionable women in Bond's life that he holds on to the memory of and thinks about afterward, while the others he shags and leaves behind. There's a hollowness to most of the dynamics Bond has with Bond girls, because the history of the films tell us that he'll have his fun with them and they'll be gone in the next film, and that's quite dull and overplayed, as heavy a part of the great Bond tradition that it may be.
It's far more interesting to once in a while see Bond in a relationship that truly feels real or that means anything to him or the viewers that go beyond appealing to the carnal desires of him or his audiences to see the skin of these women as they become sexual playthings.
EVA GREEN
She is class isn't she...in every role she plays.
With OHMSS the director laid a foundation with little intimate scenes that led to an inevitable conclusion. With CR I did not see any more depth in the relationship than the average Bond-woman relationship. It is one of the disappointing matters in CR.
Although no not on the same level as OHMSS, yes Craig is a better actor than George but the film sets the relationship up better, this isn't a bad aspect of CR for me but Hunt nails this so well and it's a credit to the film.
I'm one of those that still likes the ending, having Vesper just comit suicide is Fleming boy wet dreams, there was no way they'd end the first Bond film of this era so basic as that. It needed to be a big dramatic statement and the Venice sequence was the way to go, it's infinitely better than the Miami segment of the film.
They bothered to construct something dramatic and thrilling and both Craig and Green deliver, love it. Its still the best climax of the era, the Mr White sequence at the end is just the cherry on top.
I did an edit of CR a while back that basically cut this entire section of the film. This means no reappearance of Mendel, no awful innuendo, no silly swooning on Vesper's part. The idea here was to get a move on after Le Chiffre's death - either you buy the connection between Bond and Vesper at this point or you don't, and the part I cut doesn't make it more convincing (aside from Craig's "whatever I am, I'm yours," but that sort of sincerity appears in the Bond/Vesper beach scene, as well).
If you're interested, you can check it out here:
I will make it a Brosnan style of Casino Royale meaning i will very unfaithful to Ian Fleming.
Dont read Below if you are a Fleming Purist: it Might cuase you a heartattack
The whole first part runs like it was in the film.
When Vesper goes to see what Mathis wants Bond goes right after her suspecting something is wrong so When Bond gets outside he sees Vesper tied in the street and releases her perfectly on time but didn't see a man behind him who knocks out Bond we go the torture scene.
Instead of escaping getting freed by the men who made a deal with Vesper Felix managed to gte to that place and he is the one who saves Bond in a similar style to Sukovsky in The World is not enough.
Bond fights Le chifre kills him and places the code to get the money transferred to mi6 we get to the beach scene where he is with Vesper and here goes the little finger quote he says line nd make out to close with James Bond will return.
So no explicit love story ill leave the service for you, just a little more connection thna usual just like Natalya in Goldeneye.
That im not reducing Vesper that much but she wouldn't have been another Tracy.
Big disapointed. Sinkinghouse feels as finaly making end of this chacter.
What happend in QOS works better. I am curouis what we going to see more of her on her video.
Use wisely and tell us more about her.
Yes these two had The most tragic deaths of the franchise but this why i would have changed Vesper in the film and made her story and ending more Brosnan style and going very far from what Fleming wrote.
Yes, and along with Halle Berry, Michelle Yeoh and Denise Richards.
True. i think Pierce Brosnan and Sean Connery had the best chemistry with their respective Bond girls, the only one i think Connery failed with was Kissy the main Bond girl in You only live Twice but other than that h ehad great chemistry with all including Tiffany case.