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The others weren't really that bad actually... That parasailing bit was the worse!
Maybe (and I agree), but if you want bad effects what about the back-projection used in YOLT, bloody awful even for 1967!
This thread may well go on until the end of time, but I was thinking about it recently, albeit for a short time, and is DAD really as bad as people believe? I really am no fan of it, but some of the things and references that Brosnan said were brought to the fore recently, and do deserve attention, very Fleming like as mentioned, but even some sporadic stand out lines cannot save an overall abomination of a release. It has a very good opening in North Korea, but once the awful crap Madonna intro kicks off, it's downhill all the way apart from some good action bits here and there, such as the sword fight with Graves. I can't stand the Berry Jinx character, too damn annoying, stupid CGI sequences, as stated, dull and uninteresting ending and the Invisible Car idea speaks for itself. Brosnan was not too bad a Bond, it's a shame he had to depart from the series with this poor release to his name
As a whole I don't think it's quite as bad as some people say. There are worst films out there.
DAD does have a few decent scenes but, lets face it, the film has some terrible ones too. When I last watched a bit of it I realised just how bad Halle Berry actually is (I knew she was bad before but this viewing confirmed it).
She acts like it's her movie rather than Bond's. Wai Lin in TND was also an "action herorine" but actually seemed a bit more likeable and err...symathetic. With Jinx in DAD it was like the producers were gearing her up for the spin-off film that never happened.
Yes, Creasy, they were going to make a spin-off, apparently an origin story, thankfully this got dropped and the team ended up doing the Bond origin in CR. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the Jinx character really bloody annoying, and as for trying to imitate UA coming out of the water, forget it. A hideous sequence with some real embarrassing lines…and, no, I'm not going to quote them!
It's where Fleming got the name for the character from, but I just didn't like it in that movie, especially with the Berry character
Ask yourself though, who would you rather of seen in Casino Royale?, Craig or Brosnan
No disrespect to the Irishman, but his time as 007 had simply passed by then, we needed a younger guy to take over and get things off and running again, just as with Dalton in 1987
Oh I so wish Brosnan had been in Casino Royale! How great that would have been!
I agree Creasy, I find it a bit odd that some people get so worked up about other peoples choices and opions, and if we all liked or hated the same things there wouldn't be so much variety in the films and there would be no need for discussions like these. No matter how bad parts of a Bond film are, I will still watch because its Bond. Looking forward to the blu-ray release and going through them all…again! Happy viewing.
I take it thats a joke sir? If not then you are next to be taken out back with the luger (that is a joke by the way Creasy47).
I think we've wandered off the topic somewhat with most people saying whats bad about DAD so good to see 00Beast attempting to get us back on track. Its just a shame hes so wide of the mark.
How he can say that any line that Jinx spews forth is anything other than pissing all over Fleming and the character of Bond is a mystery. By his reasoning then from 'Yo Mama' to the point Bond surfs the tsunami is fabulously entertaining comprising as it does of plenty of 'incredibly cheesy and wince-worthy dialogue, stemming from Jinx, Zao, and Gustav Graves' and special effects which are 'quite lame' which in his book is all fine.
The initial impressive surfing stunt is the best action in the film but from there its pretty much a constant downhill trajectory.
The hovercraft chase and swordfight are no more than decent with Vic Armstrong on autopilot, and the only other saving grace is the stunt driving which is excellent amid the exciting ice setting. The car chase is ruined however by a tedious over emphasis on gadgets - even the villains car has them FFS.
The last hour can practically be ignored in the pantheon of Bondian action as, car chase apart, its entirely CGI. 00Beast might call this entertaining and engaging but for me it’s a travesty to the work of people like Bob Simmons, George Leech, Martin Grace, Dickie Graydon, Remi Julienne, BJ Worth and Rick Sylvester who made sure that Bond was the established brand leader and not a shoddy Transformers knock off.
I agree with this. I like CR just the way it is but I think Brozza deserved a better send off than this as none of it was his fault and he gives possibly his best performance in DAD. It seems like Babs and MGW made a scapegoat of him when they realised what a pile of crap DAD was when the fault should be laid squarely on their shoulders.
Regarding DAD didn't you once say that the people in the cinema next to you were laughing? :))
I think one thing that shocked me is that they had the nerve to put some of the lousey dialogue ("Now there's a mouthful" and "Yo Mamma") in the bloomin' trailer. The producers obviously thought they were making a masterpiece.
If we all ranked films by how well-made they are, everyone would have OHMSS, FRWL, TLD, CR at the top, and DAF, DAD, MR and TMWTGG at the bottom, because that's how it is. But that doesn't mean someone can't prefer MR to OHMSS, or DAF to FRWL. If @Murdock ranks DAD at #6, he isn't saying 'this is a greater film than CR or OHMSS or FRWL', but merely 'I like DAD more than CR, OHMSS and FRWL'.
If someone said 'DAD is a better made film than CR'.... then you guys can insult and call him crazy... but if that someone said 'I prefer DAD to CR'... there's nothing to be said other than 'I disagree', because that is his own personal opinion.
Have to agree. I have a lot of favourite films that are not really best, but I enjoy them.
You're right. GE is one of my "favourites" but I wouldn't call it the "best".
Mr Bean is extremely poor. Its infuriating that he is only known for this globally when its not even as good as Blackadder 1 which is pretty average. Most people outside the UK havent even heard of Blackadder which in series 2 and 3 (less so 4) is up there with the greatest comedies of all time.
Yeah but not in a good way.
Someone mentioned a few weeks back (it might have been you actually) that the DVD commentary is hilarious at the end where MGW and Tamahori congratulate themseleves like theve just made Citizen Kane.
This is a somewhat flawed argument. MR whatever you think about it is an exceptionally well made film that got an oscar nomination for its effects (dont think DAD came anywhere near that shortlist!)
Most Michael Bay films are competently made but that doesnt stop them being dross.
DAD is technically very well made, the parasurfing scene apart, so when you say that its not ‘well made’ do you mean stuff like the script and the acting? Seems strange that your list of what is commonly held to be the best films tallies with the ones you consider to be 'well made' as does your list of ones that are 'not well made'. Not arguing with these choices on merit but theres no way DAD or MR are any more poorly made than FRWL and OHMSS from a technical standpoint. You seem to be classing 'well made' rather subjectively to me.
Just because people are entitled to their opinion doesn’t mean they are not wrong. We shouldnt be scared to point people in the right direction by telling them how wrong they are just because we are petrified of 'causing offence'. People are quite welcome to argue DAD is the greatest film of all time if they want but the rest of us shouldnt have to just accept it rather than tear them apart into them because we dont want to upset them.
In the same way : Is Schindler's List a cinematic masterpiece ? Or Shawshank Redemption ? Or The Godfather ?
If you told me that Schindler's List was a dud, everyone would laugh at you. If you said 'I don't like Schindler's List', people would respect you, but disagree with you as well.
Here's him being Mr Bean in real life.
Highlight of the race for me.
Yep.
I think Atkinson is pretty big on cars, and that's why he was invited there.
You hit the nail on the head! I honestly think that a lot of people bash it because they just want something to bash, or they just "jump on the band wagon" you might say... unfortunatly it's towards a movie that is pretty decent and nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be.
I find it funny that haters will go as far as finding little things in the movie to bash, just to bring it down more. Example: Madonna's two minute cameo... who cares, she's in it for such a short time I forget she's there. BUT, I will admit that it has it's faults, like most Bond movies. The CGI was pretty bad, but not bad enough to ruin this movie for me.
This movie is pretty good and while it's not in my top ten it's certainly NOT in my bottom five.
I remember when DAD come out i was 21 years old and i collected empire magazine at the time, and they gave it 4 stars out of 5, it got slightly more favourable reviews than both TND and TWINE. I still like it, sure it has flaws like everyone has said but i find myself watching it quite a bit, i think the pacing is quite good and IMO i find it has re-watchability. This is coming from someone who says its their least favourite bond film but i still enjoy it, i put it in the bracket of the OTT fun bond films like YOLT,TSWLM and MR.