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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2014 Posts: 11,189
    FoxRox wrote:
    Here are my controversial opinions:

    1- Sean Connery, while very good for 4 outings out of 6, is overrated as James Bond..

    I must confess its hard to disagree with you after watching him the other night in DAF. I really thought he was sub-par in it. On the other hand I LOVE him in the early films. A real personification of 007 on film.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    edited February 2014 Posts: 15,115
    hildebrand_rarity wrote:
    Political debate notwithstanding, my own controversial opinion for today is that Claudine Auger's Domino Derval is a top-3 Bond girl.
    -as Largo's mistress and the sister of the murdered pilot, she's intimately relevant to the plot
    -her character has some depth but they don't try to give her a dubious arc like many modern Bond girls
    -she's the nicest Bond girl IMO
    -she's the second most beautiful Bond girl (behind Solitaire, of course) though I feel the way she looks in the movie doesn't do her justice
    I think she's often overshadowed by Volpe.

    I agree with this. And this is partially why TB is in many ways superior to GF. Pussy is a gun for hire and has no involvement in the story until fairly late. She is not the center of a rivalry either. Early on and in many ways, Domino is actually relevant to the plot.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited February 2014 Posts: 19,339
    The 'turning' of Pussy in the stable just shows what a shallow character she was,a total waste of Honor Blackman's talents.

    She could have been an equal to Bond just as her fellow Avengers actress Diana Rigg was in OHMSS.

    Domino,is VERY important to the plot of TB and as 10000% better than Pussy.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    edited February 2014 Posts: 3,144
    barryt007 wrote:
    The 'turning' of Pussy in the stable just shows what a shallow character she was,a total waste of Honor Goodman's talents.

    She could have been an equal to Bond just as her fellow Avengers actress Diana Rigg was in OHMSS.

    Domino,is VERY important to the plot of TB and as 10000% better than Pussy.

    Blackman I think is who you want !
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    hahaha bloody hell im getting old ,of course !! *head slap* !!
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    Posts: 3,144
    Mid forties is not old. Trust me I know !
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    True !! Its the new 30's ;)
  • LegateDamarLegateDamar
    edited February 2014 Posts: 381
    JohnBarryFan wrote:
    Here are my controversial opinions:

    1- Sean Connery, while very good for 4 outings out of 6, is overrated as James Bond.
    2- While I appreciate Diana Rigg play of Tracy, they could have pick a prettier woman to play the part.
    3-While we're on the subject of prettier woman, Jenny "The Irish Girl" Hanley from OHMSS should have landed a bigger role, maybe that of Angela Scoular.
    4-I find Dr No as slow-pace as TMWTGG
    5-Please don't ever use underwater scenes in a Bond movie again, the're very dull.
    6-You only live twice is the Bond movie who aged the worst.
    7-DAF makes me laugh, it's the most humour-filled Bond movie.
    8-They could have dumped Herve Villechaize, he's annoying.
    9-Barbara Back isn't sexy. She looks rather plain to me.
    10-Timothy Dalton is the best that ever was.
    11-I wish Pierce Brosnan only did one Bond, the first he ever played in.
    12-Marc Forster should be handed a life sentence for his horrible work on QOS.

    Ok, you can pick me apart now.

    1. Connery did phone it in with DAF (and to a lesser extend YOLT), but he still gave a good performance, IMO.
    2. Love Tracy/Rigg.
    3. IDK
    4. The pace f both films never bothered me
    5. Yup
    6. Nope
    7. Perhaps
    8. Don't agree, loved Nic Nak
    9. Don't agree
    10. Debatable, loved Dalton
    11. Don't agree at all, I really liked his four films
    12. I'm in a minority, but I liked his work on QOS.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Dr. No is a better Bond movie than FRWL.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    chrisisall wrote:
    Dr. No is a better Bond movie than FRWL.

    I've always preferred it. The cinematography and direction are wonderful and it has the Ken Adam touch, which is sorely lacking in FRWL.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,115
    chrisisall wrote:
    Dr. No is a better Bond movie than FRWL.

    However much I love Dr. No, FRWL is simply the best.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    chrisisall wrote:
    Dr. No is a better Bond movie than FRWL.

    I don't think that's too controversial ( at least when compared to some of the others in this thread).

    Whilst I prefer FRWL, DN is still an excellent film.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    chrisisall wrote:
    Dr. No is a better Bond movie than FRWL.

    I said that not too long ago first, so needless to say I'm in total agreement. Minority opinion though for sure :/
  • 00130013
    edited February 2014 Posts: 1,817
    JohnBarryFan wrote:
    Here are my controversial opinions:

    1- Sean Connery, while very good for 4 outings out of 6, is overrated as James Bond.
    2- While I appreciate Diana Rigg play of Tracy, they could have pick a prettier woman to play the part.
    3-While we're on the subject of prettier woman, Jenny "The Irish Girl" Hanley from OHMSS should have landed a bigger role, maybe that of Angela Scoular.
    4-I find Dr No as slow-pace as TMWTGG
    5-Please don't ever use underwater scenes in a Bond movie again, the're very dull.
    6-You only live twice is the Bond movie who aged the worst.
    7-DAF makes me laugh, it's the most humour-filled Bond movie.
    8-They could have dumped Herve Villechaize, he's annoying.
    9-Barbara Back isn't sexy. She looks rather plain to me.
    10-Timothy Dalton is the best that ever was.
    11-I wish Pierce Brosnan only did one Bond, the first he ever played in.
    12-Marc Forster should be handed a life sentence for his horrible work on QOS.

    Ok, you can pick me apart now.

    1. Disagree. Even if Connery didn't excel himself in YOLT and DAF, his performance from DN to TB are enough to put him on top.
    2. Disagree. Tracy is very beautiful and I thanks they gave the part to someone with high quality acting skills.
    3. Don't care...
    4. Agree on DN but disagree on TMWTGG.
    5. They can make interesting underwater scenes, SF has an example of it.
    6. Agree
    7. DAF makes me laugh too, but TMWTGG is funnier.
    8. Disagree
    9. Agree
    10. It's one of the best, along with Connery and Craig.
    11. Disagree, I like TND. TWINE and DAD are bad but not because of Brosnan.
    12. Disagree, Tamahori deserves the gallows more than him.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    Despite a few funny lines Diamond's are Forever is the dullest Bond film.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,115
    Okay, something very controversial: the underwater scenes in TB are not only necessary, they are great.
  • 00130013
    Posts: 1,817
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Despite a few funny lines Diamond's are Forever is the dullest Bond film.

    I concede that honor to FYEO.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
    Posts: 2,402
    You Know My Name is the best theme song (not counting instrumentals, namely OHMSS) in the series. I'm not 100% sure this is controversial because that song is universally lauded. But I've rarely if ever seen it top a list.
  • LegateDamarLegateDamar
    Posts: 381
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    You Know My Name is the best theme song (not counting instrumentals, namely OHMSS) in the series. I'm not 100% sure this is controversial because that song is universally lauded. But I've rarely if ever seen it top a list.

    Great song. I'm a HUGE Soundgarden fan, but Cornell's solo work has been pretty hit-or-miss. YKMN is one of his best though.

  • delticminerdelticminer
    Posts: 115
    While not the worst, Thunderball is most certainly the most boring James Bond film.
  • LegateDamarLegateDamar
    Posts: 381
    Birdleson wrote:
    LegateDamar wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    You Know My Name is the best theme song (not counting instrumentals, namely OHMSS) in the series. I'm not 100% sure this is controversial because that song is universally lauded. But I've rarely if ever seen it top a list.

    It definitely makes my top ten. And I know nothing of Soundgarden and his solo work.

    If you like that song, I'd recommend checking out Soundgarden's masterpiece Superunkown (1994).
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited February 2014 Posts: 13,355
    delticminer wrote:
    While not the worst, Thunderball is most certainly the most boring James Bond film.

    I suppose it's all about opinions, right? I would give that title to The Man With The Golden Gun due to it's slow pace, I think. None have ever really struck me as 'boring' per se if I'm being honest.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited February 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I suppose its a question of which film you struggle to get through. For me (and this includes DAD) DAF has been the only film I've REPEATEDLY turned off about an hour in.

    Regarding TB I've never found it dull. Yes the pace does slow at times but not enough for me to loose interest. Connery still carries the film and has some interest in what's going on around him. That combined with the beautiful cinematography ensures a decent enough flick IMO. Diamonds just has a "half arsed" feel to it that cuts through the whole film, from the production to the action to Connery himself.
  • delticminerdelticminer
    Posts: 115
    Samuel001 wrote:
    delticminer wrote:
    While not the worst, Thunderball is most certainly the most boring James Bond film.

    I suppose it's all about opinions, right? I would give that title to The Man With The Golden Gun due to it's slow pace, I think. None have ever really struck me as 'boring' per se if I'm being honest.

    Funny, as TMWTGG is my least favourite film in the series, but at least it didn't make me feel tired unlike when I watch Thunderball. I don't think either are particuarly exciting or interesting, but Thunderball, I just find so so boring!
  • LegateDamarLegateDamar
    Posts: 381
    The only Bond film I couldn't get through was Casino Royale (1967). Just really boring, ten times over.
  • LegateDamarLegateDamar
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    One version of the '67 film included the original '54 version. I don't have that DVD though :((
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    Posts: 1,009
    delticminer wrote:
    While not the worst, Thunderball is most certainly the most boring James Bond film.

    Agreed. Good movie, sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow pace.

  • LegateDamarLegateDamar
    Posts: 381
    bigladiesman wrote:
    delticminer wrote:
    While not the worst, Thunderball is most certainly the most boring James Bond film.

    Agreed. Good movie, sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow pace.

    It's a frustrating movie because there is A LOT to like about TB--Great villain, Bond girl, locations, etc. But the pace....
    :-\"
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    edited February 2014 Posts: 1,009
    LegateDamar wrote:
    bigladiesman wrote:
    delticminer wrote:
    While not the worst, Thunderball is most certainly the most boring James Bond film.

    Agreed. Good movie, sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow pace.

    It's a frustrating movie because there is A LOT to like about TB--Great villain, Bond girl, locations, etc. But the pace....
    :-\"

    Glad we agree in every aspect.
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